Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[Scrapin Ice]

Hey I remember you! Why the new account?

Broke the same rule twice. Was warned. Banished to the badlands for a year. New name/account is me saying I will play nice.

You know sometimes you go to the grocery store and buy some apple turnovers and you get them home and they end up having a cherry filling.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Put down the alcohol and go to sleep.

What a ridiculous trade idea.

Okay! What would you do if anything?

 

[belair]

Okay! What would you do if anything?

Give the team some runway before spending the limited trade capital on limited players.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Give the team some runway before spending the limited trade capital on limited players.

So your saying stick with Dermott and J. Brown. as the depth and depend on Emberson ( 35ish games played) to step into the top 4. Stecher probably rounds into a third pair guy.

Nurse 'needs' a foil.
Emberson has learned to make nice safe short passes but he can hardly headman the puck out of trouble or up into offense. Maybe he never learns this.

 

[belair]

So your saying stick with Dermott and J. Brown. as the depth and depend on Emberson ( 35ish games played) to step into the top 4. Stecher probably rounds into a third pair guy.

I'm saying that Darnell should step up to the plate and start carrying a pairing like he's supposed to, regardless of who the partner is.

Kovacevic would just be another Emberson/Brown half measure, because he similarly has zero evidence he'd thrive in that role.

If they waived him, sure, claim him. But I'm sure as hell not giving up the 2nd for him.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I'm saying that Darnell should step up to the plate and start carrying a pairing like he's supposed to, regardless of who the partner is.

Kovacevic would just be another Emberson/Brown half measure, because he similarly has zero evidence he'd thrive in that role.

If they waived him, sure, claim him. But I'm sure as hell not giving up the 2nd for him.

That ship has sailed on Darnell. He is what he is. There is lots of evidence that Kovacevic can play top 4. Also unlike Bear he can skate backwards and close gap excellently lol. Plus if you want a warrior in a fight or a war this guy you want this guy on your side. Kovacevic can pass very well and while he may not have the vision of a Nemec or a Jiricek he does have what we need.
The second is getting them to take Dermott as well so we maintain our cap space now and later.
Right handed D come at a premium especially in-season, don't they?
Have a look at Kovacevic's numbers this season as well.

 

[McShogun99]

Or Jiricek who already wants out

Broberg for Jinicek or Nemec is something we should have done right after the playoffs. I would love to get one of them but have no idea what they would accept.

 

[belair]

That ship has sailed on Darnell. He is what he is. There is lots of evidence that Kovacevic can play top 4. Also unlike Bear he can skate backwards and close gap excellently lol. Plus if you want a warrior in a fight or a war this guy you want this guy on your side. Kovacevic can pass very well and while he may not have the vision of a Nemec or a Jiricek he does have what we need.
The second is getting them to take Dermott as well so we maintain our cap space now and later.
Right hand come at a premium especially in-season, don't they?

Darnell is what he is, and that is a top four defenseman who averages about 30 even strength points a year and plays an integral role on the team's PK.

Kovacevic is a player that no team has chosen to commit a permanent role to. If NJ is the first, then all the power to them and I'll wait and see on what they do with Nemec. If Kovacevic falls out of favor as quickly as he has in other markets, he'll be available out there for a late pick or on waivers.

The Oilers are best to stand pat on defense and accumulate deadline cap space so they can address their areas of need from a deeper pool of available players.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Darnell is what he is, and that is a top four defenseman who averages about 30 even strength points a year and plays an integral role on the team's PK.

Kovacevic is a player that no team has chosen to commit a permanent role to. If NJ is the first, then all the power to them and I'll wait and see on what they do with Nemec. If Kovacevic falls out of favor as quickly as he has in other markets, he'll be available out there for a late pick or on waivers.

The Oilers are best to stand pat on defense and accumulate deadline cap space so they can address their areas of need from a deeper pool of available players.

Agreed Darnell is quite valuable but needs the right partner.
Obviously we would run a team differently and see roles differently and assess cap space and long term strategy differently.
Our player evaluation are at odds as well. For example i thought Montreal moved on from Kovy because of Reinbacher we expected to move up as well as Mallioux who was knocking really hard.

To each their own.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

The Oilers are best to stand pat on defense and accumulate deadline cap space so they can address their areas of need from a deeper pool of available players.

You’re probably right here. As much as I want a dman right now, it’s not happening unless the season is at risk early.

This is the plan, they’re gonna let Stecher/Dermott/Emberson try to find their way. To my eye they actually are improving after a few games, so hopefully they can hold it down until we add a legit top 4 dman.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

You’re probably right here. As much as I want a dman right now, it’s not happening unless the season is at risk early.

This is the plan, they’re gonna let Stecher/Dermott/Emberson try to find their way. To my eye they actually are improving after a few games, so hopefully they can hold it down until we add a legit top 4 dman.

So last game they moved kulak up to play beside Nurse. And this game tonight they are doing the same. Emberson and Stecher are playing basic holding the fort hockey.
Your good with this then. I think this is far from ideal and it will take along time before Ember is ready if ever.

 

[Jarvi]

I think you need to shoot higher than Jokiharju. Maybe he is better than I'm seeing from limited viewings and the stats, but I think you need a better puck mover with Nurse. Weegar, Andersson, Karlsson, Fowler, Provorov, Liljegren are all guys I would be calling about before Joki, and who knows who else is available that the GM's only know about.

But before we trade anyone, we need to see the top D pair split up imo. Ekholm can be the guy on a pair, put him with Emberson and give the kid the best vet on the team to learn from. Have Bouchard prove he can carry a pairing with our defender who is hardest to play with, and at the same time give Nurse a guy who can pass, shoot and defend adequately (most nights). Kulak can be the great #5 he is with a rotating cast. The Ek-Bouch pair is the D equivalent of stacking Mcdrai. They are so good together yes, but individually are our best defenders so the overall team depth suffers when they are together.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Henri Jokiharu is the guy to go for. Good numbers. Buffalo hopefully sucks so they might move him early. They have already done business with buffalo. Righty that moves well and passed well. O ya , drafted by Stan Bowman. Expiring contract so no long term ties unless he performs. If you got them retain would be able to add even more (they lack physicality everywhere)

Not sure what cost would be probably very high.

In the summer Jokiharju was generally considered there most expendable of their top 6 d-men, right now he's on a good run, but obviously BUF has 2 young studs in Dahlin & Power who can make their partner look a lot better than they are and with a limited sample size it looks like Dahlin is doing that with Jokiharju.

I don't have the strongest of reads on Jokiharju so it might be a good move, but based on his WOWY stats I'm advocating some caution.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

How do you define solid?
Offence consistently dies on his stick.
He has in every game so far made at least one wrong read on D.
He still gives up prime ice (and backs into the goalies kitchen) when defending the rush.

I guess we should be happy with that and not expect any better?

For me the player on D that has been solid is Ekholm.

Ekholm also makes a bad play every game. Yet never gets criticized for it

That ship has sailed on Darnell. He is what he is. There is lots of evidence that Kovacevic can play top 4. Also unlike Bear he can skate backwards and close gap excellently lol. Plus if you want a warrior in a fight or a war this guy you want this guy on your side. Kovacevic can pass very well and while he may not have the vision of a Nemec or a Jiricek he does have what we need.
The second is getting them to take Dermott as well so we maintain our cap space now and later.
Right handed D come at a premium especially in-season, don't they?
Have a look at Kovacevic's numbers this season as well.

Why are we paying assets to get someone to take dermott when we can just waive him?

 

[Canovin]

Gavrikov/Provorov should be bare minimum. But Anderson or Weegar would be the ideal top 4 D we should be targetting at the deadline. Fabbro and Kirby Dach are buy low candidates right now. I think Dach would really help the Oilers if we are planning to play Drai on McDavid's wing more often

 

[FlameChampion]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849886940159434906

For a guy who didn’t hurt his injured knee and the other knee was a little weak for overcompensating, his timeline feels a little long. I was hoping he would get some looks here but it probably won’t happen until the end of the season if it all. And with the way this organization operates at the end of the season combined with a slow start, he’s not going to get much of anything. He would have to kill it in the AHL which is unlikely wt this point. Going to be another player who finishes his ELC and we know nothing about.

 

[FlameChampion]

Seravalli and Stauffer say Kane has been feeling great and it’s been confirmed pretty much by Weekes that he’s back by the New Year… lmaooo

I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Kane at this point. That being said, I think the team could use his physical presence. Hes one of the few players who consistently brings any physicality (Podkolzin is probably the only other forward). Will see if he plays physical after all of his surgeries I guess or how long after.

 

[guymez]

Ekholm also makes a bad play every game. Yet never gets criticized for it

Ekholm isnt a perfect player. No player is.
However Ekholm is consistently on the positive side of the ledger...game in and game out.
He is the best all around dman on the team and would be a top pairing dman on most teams in the NHL.

 

[K1984]

I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Kane at this point. That being said, I think the team could use his physical presence. Hes one of the few players who consistently brings any physicality (Podkolzin is probably the only other forward). Will see if he plays physical after all of his surgeries I guess or how long after.

I don't think his presence on the bench should be understated either. We have a group of a lot of introverted, quiet personalities and Kane is a refreshing break from that. I've seen enough on ice Oiler footage to know that he brings a lively presence on the bench that is badly needed with this group.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

In the summer Jokiharju was generally considered there most expendable of their top 6 d-men, right now he's on a good run, but obviously BUF has 2 young studs in Dahlin & Power who can make their partner look a lot better than they are and with a limited sample size it looks like Dahlin is doing that with Jokiharju.

I don't have the strongest of reads on Jokiharju so it might be a good move, but based on his WOWY stats I'm advocating some caution.

Jokiharju haa never been anything more than a bottom pairing dman on bad teams.

I'm not sure why his name keeps getting mentioned, but we don't have a problem that he in the solution to.

 

[TheNumber4]

Has bowman or Jackson done any interviews since season started?

 

[VeteranPresence]

Looking at our mess of a D, can anyone believe there's a Sharks defenseman with not just an even rating but a PLUS on a team that hasn't won a game yet and been -21 overall?

We should really be doing all we can to pick up Mario Ferraro before one of our usual pains in the ass like Colorado, Vegas or now Florida make the smart Moneypuck style move that wins Cups. Ferraro's got two years left at $3.25M, that's well below the cap we will have accrued at the deadline- even room to add a scoring W for the top nine or a strong veteran 4C on top.

Ferraro could be a great partner for Bouch as he does his thing. That would let us staple Ekholm, our own Mr. Fix It, to Nurse's side and maybe just maybe salvage some of that contract:

Ferraro-Bouchard
Nurse-Ekholm
Kulak-Emberson

With the way Grier tossed us Emberson in a cap dump deal, here's hoping his soft spot for the Oil runs a mile wide and he's willing to help us out here too.

 

[McHelpus]

10 million in salary for the deadline > Kane returning in January.

 

[Canovin]

10 million in salary for the deadline > Kane returning in January.

I'm sure it's 10M worth of players(50% retention) at the deadline + Kane in January

 

[McHelpus]

I'm sure it's 10M worth of players(50% retention) at the deadline + Kane in January

20 million (50% retention) + Kane game 1 of the playoffs, I mean it aint even close haha I don't know why Kane rushes his injuries.