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[Dazed and Confused]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851217533921321450

Frank Seravalli says today that, best case scenario, McDavid is missing a couple weeks

Sucks, but it might be for the best as it stops this stupid persuit of accuring cap while the team's still in flux on the ice. Just run 23 man roster for a few weeks.


As we just saw vs. Columbus , Ryan's been mostly solid all season, but in a b2b situation he had arguably his worst game in an Oilers uniform...


RNH-Drai-Hyman
Skinner-Henrique-Arvidsson
Janmark-Philp-Brown
Podz-Ryan-Perry
One vet: Cags, Pederson; One kid: Savoie, Jarventie. ect

 

[Soundwave]

Look, you aren't entirely wrong, but it's a fallacious argument.

Unfortunately it's a team game and you dance with the gal/guy that brung ya.

If Edmonton wants to build a team around the concept of winning a game 7 based on goaltending, then they should be investing $10M in a goalie just like Florida, which might require saving some of the ~$51M invested in our top 7 players.

The whole premise of our team-build is that our goaltending is sufficient to allow our game-breaking forwards to be the difference makers in those tight games.

If that team construction thesis is wrong, you blame the thesis, not the goalie. You want a better goalie? Invest in a better goalie.

... but we can't right? Remind yourself why.

Our management did spend big on a goalie. His name was Jack Campbell.

That decision probably cost us a Stanley Cup last June.

It is what it is.

You're probably not winning a game 7 of a Cup Final with a Skinner or Markkanen in net. We've tried it. 0/2.

 

[McTonyBrar]

It sounds like it’s what barkov got earlier this season (2-3 weeks) so we can breathe. They only brought him back for precautionary reasons to do X rays just in case

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It would be nice to have a nice 4-3 game in a game 7 of a Cup Final, I'm just saying that doesn't generally happen.

The first thing a team will do in a game 7 generally is throw everything they can at neutralizing your superstar player for 3 periods. That's hard to do over a long period of time, but for one game ... you can do it if your players play with a stick up their ass and are vigilant in taking away time and space.

Refs are not going to want to call a lot of penalties in a game 7 either, so that is an auto advantage for the team with the lesser stars. They can get away with more holding and obstruction.

To win those games you need your goalie to make a save that the guy on the other net is not making, even if it's just one more save. If your goalie can hold the other team to 1 goal in a game 7, the longer that happens the better your odds of having a dumb luck break/one of your role players score a garbage goal.

But if the opponent gets up by 1 ... forget it. In a game 7, especially if you're talking now you're well into period 2 ... yeah getting that goal back is going to be near impossible. The opposing team will completely go into a trap shell and every player will play every shift 110% balls to the wall defensive effort to prevent you from getting a second goal. It's not the same game anymore.

Coming back from 2-1 in a game 7 with the clock ticking in period 2 is not a simple task. You might as well be climbing Mount Everest with zero oxygen. It's not easy to get that goal back.

after all this rambling, you really did expect the Oilers to win 1-0 with Skinner getting a shutout lol

 

[Soundwave]

after all this rambling, you really did expect the Oilers to win 1-0 with Skinner getting a shutout lol

If Skinner doesn't allow that bad goal against Reinhart and the game stays 1-1, anything can happen, it's a totally different ball game.

Oilers could get a bounce and go up 2-1 in the 3rd then because Florida has to play honest. They have to try for offense and not just play defense.

But gifting them a 2-1 lead off a iffy goal in the 2nd period, now they can play trap for the rest of the game and just throw everything at making life miserable for your forwards. And you know every Florida forward will play 1000% defensive effort knowing they can taste the Cup right around the corner. The refs aren't going to call penalties because they don't want to be made a story of by the media.

You're pretty f***ed if you're down 2-1 in a game 7 by the half way point, it isn't a "normal" game.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

If Skinner doesn't allow that bad goal against Reinhart and the game stays 1-1, anything can happen, it's a totally different ball game.

Oilers could get a bounce and go up 2-1 in the 3rd then because Florida has to play honest.

But gifting them a 2-1 lead off a iffy goal in the 2nd period, now they can play trap for the rest of the game and just throw everything at making life miserable for your forwards. And you know every forward will play 1000% defensive effort knowing they can taste the Cup right around the corner. The refs aren't going to call penalties because they don't want to be made a story of by the media.

You're pretty f***ed if you're down 2-1 in a game 7 by the half way point, it isn't a "normal" game.

so you're blaming Skinner for allowing the 2-1 goal but the offense is off the hook but "it's really hard to score in Game 7"?

Pittsburgh scored 2 goals in Game 7 with...why couldn't the Oilers?

 

[VeteranPresence]

I wonder what it would cost us to clean the Sharks out of the three or so players who could help us the most this year: Blackwood, Ferraro, and Granlund. Especially if Connor's out any length of time, having a world-class passer in Granlund at 2C would help us keep the same basic lines together while he takes his time recovering.

When fully healthy (in the playoffs of course, when the cap doesn't matter) you can run a very dangerous rotation:

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Skinner-Granlund-Podkolzin
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry

Ferraro-Boucher
Nurse-Ekholm
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

Pickard
Blackwood
Skinner

It's not perfect but you have insurance policies for our two biggest weaknesses in D and G which might be enough to get us back to the Finals even if Skinner/Nurse never figure their shit out.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sucks, but it might be for the best as it stops this stupid persuit of accuring cap while the team's still in flux on the ice. Just run 23 man roster for a few weeks.


As we just saw vs. Columbus , Ryan's been mostly solid all season, but in a b2b situation he had arguably his worst game in an Oilers uniform...


RNH-Drai-Hyman
Skinner-Henrique-Arvidsson
Janmark-Philp-Brown
Podz-Ryan-Perry
One vet: Cags, Pederson; One kid: Savoie, Jarventie. ect

Caggiula isn't a great option.

Jarventie just got healthy, I'd let him play a few games first.

Hamblin is an option, can play C, Grubbe can play center as well, has size.

I suspect it's between Philp and Pederson.

 

[Soundwave]

so you're blaming Skinner for allowing the 2-1 goal but the offense is off the hook but "it's really hard to score in Game 7"?

Pittsburgh scored 2 goals in Game 7 with...why couldn't the Oilers?

We probably could have if Florida didn't go into a freaking shell/trap game. It's not that hard to shut it down in hockey for a period and a half with full effort/buy-in from your team especially when the refs are not going to call anything.

1-1 versus 2-1 is a completely different game in a game 7 of a Cup Final it's not just "oh it's just one goal, no biggie". You're going to have to crawl through a river of shit to get that 2nd goal back, the other team is not just going to hand it back easily. If they have a good goalie, you're basically f***ed.

 

[Zerotonine]

so you're blaming Skinner for allowing the 2-1 goal but the offense is off the hook but "it's really hard to score in Game 7"?

Pittsburgh scored 2 goals in Game 7 with...why couldn't the Oilers?

Difference in that game 7 was Bobrovsky vs Skinner 10000 percent. Let's not forget the 3 or 4 10 bell saves bob made in the final 5 minutes

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Difference in that game 7 was Bobrovsky vs Skinner 10000 percent. Let's not for hey the 3 or 4 10 bell saves bob made in the final 5 minutes

We probably could have if Florida didn't go into a freaking shell/trap game. It's not that hard to shut it down in hockey for a period and a half with full effort/buy-in from your team especially when the refs are not going to call anything.

1-1 versus 2-1 is a completely different game in a game 7 of a Cup Final it's not just "oh it's just one goal, no biggie". You're going to have to crawl through a river of shit to get that 2nd goal back, the other team is not just going to hand it back easily. If they have a good goalie, you're basically f***ed.

cool, where was the team when it was 1-1? why couldn't the Oilers score the 2-1 goal? maybe the players, like the goalie....just couldn't get it done

 

[Soundwave]

Difference in that game 7 was Bobrovsky vs Skinner 10000 percent. Let's not for hey the 3 or 4 10 bell saves bob made in the final 5 minutes

Yeah when a goalie of that caliber can see the light at the end of the tunnel and the Cup is right there ... good f***ing luck getting back a bad goal.

They're not going to give it back to you.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Notice how the only skinner defence is deflecting to other areas? No one can defend his play by just looking at his game and the numbers.

 

[Soundwave]

cool, where was the team when it was 1-1? why couldn't the Oilers score the 2-1 goal? maybe the players, like the goalie....just couldn't get it done

Yes it was 1-1, anyone's game. Longer it stays that way, the higher the odds are we get a bounce because Florida has to play honest 2 ways. It's a coin flip of a game, could go their way, could go our way.

But it was Florida that got a soft goal to go up 2-1.

They went into a defensive shell after that (as they should) and the refs weren't gonna call shit, so that is what it is.

Good luck getting anything past a Bobrovsky in that case, he can taste the Cup at that point, you give a good goalie a look at the finish line like that and good luck beating him in the limited time you have left.

Once a team can go into a defensive shell and they have a goalie like Bob who can elevate his game ... you're pretty well f***ed. It's not just "1 goal" as if you're going to get it back like a regular season game, not even close.

 

[TKB21]

TBH I would rather have retired Mike Smith in net that Stu.

Run with Pickard for now.

Anyone who has played the game knows how hard it is to play when you don't trust your goalie.

Skinner has one good game followed by 2/3 bad games.

He's not good.

This is understated. When you have very little confidence in your goalie you start trying to make the perfect passes, breakouts, reads etc once you see a few goals go in that you know should be stopped the team basically packs it in.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

We probably could have if Florida didn't go into a freaking shell/trap game. It's not that hard to shut it down in hockey for a period and a half with full effort/buy-in from your team especially when the refs are not going to call anything.

1-1 versus 2-1 is a completely different game in a game 7 of a Cup Final it's not just "oh it's just one goal, no biggie". You're going to have to crawl through a river of shit to get that 2nd goal back, the other team is not just going to hand it back easily. If they have a good goalie, you're basically f***ed.

Just give it up man. It's never SKinners fault for allowing a goal 99% of goalies should save

Notice how the only skinner defence is deflecting to other areas? No one can defend his play by just looking at his game and the numbers.

This is what I keep getting at. We have seen SKinner. He is young. Yes he got thrust into the starters role.

BUT, he can't be trusted even if Edmonton turned into the defensive 1995 NJ Devils. He will give up sh** goals

 

[Soundwave]

Just give it up man. It's never SKinners fault for allowing a goal 99% of goalies should save

It's mainly Holland's fault, Skinner shouldn't even have been in net that game.

But yeah one soft goal in a game 7 can be the difference between winning a Cup and losing a Cup.

If that game stays 1-1 for longer, anything can happen. They could get a bounce and score in the 3rd, sure ... but so could we.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I just find it so hilarious when people go to the depths of the earth to defend any hockey player lol. Like do peoples tummy hurt when people call out SKinner or other players?

That's all I have been saying. I hated that goal. The forwards could score, but that goal should not go in. Game 7 Finals. 1-1 going forward, anything could happen.

It's not even SKinners fault like you said. It is managements fault for throwing him in there.

It's mainly Holland's fault, Skinner shouldn't even have been in net that game.

But yeah one soft goal in a game 7 can be the difference between winning a Cup and losing a Cup.

If that game stays 1-1 for longer, anything can happen. They could get a bounce and score in the 3rd, sure ... but so could we.

 

[Soundwave]

This is understated. When you have very little confidence in your goalie you start trying to make the perfect passes, breakouts, reads etc once you see a few goals go in that you know should be stopped the team basically packs it in.

I mean we've seen this same movie with the team getting discouraged by bad goaltending every year at some stretch for like the last 5-6 years, lol. After seeing the same movie 5-6 times you would think some people would actually remember how it goes. Of course it affects the rest of the team, anyone who still doesn't get that is basically blind.

 

[Echodek]

Skinner going to the All Star Game (as a fan vote) probably got into his head that he was world class.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It's mainly Holland's fault, Skinner shouldn't even have been in net that game.

But yeah one soft goal in a game 7 can be the difference between winning a Cup and losing a Cup.

If that game stays 1-1 for longer, anything can happen. They could get a bounce and score in the 3rd, sure ... but so could we.

and yet you say nothing about the offense scoring 1 goal COMBINED in Game 1 and 2

 

[CanadasTeam99]

and yet you say nothing about the offense scoring 1 goal COMBINED in Game 1 and 2

That is a fair comment as well. They generated lots in game 1, but Floridas goalie was a brick wall going Tretiak.

So if Edmonton gets their act fully together, you trust Stuart Skinner and like him as the #1 goalie here?

I would say most people don't. I wonder what management thinks

 

[Soundwave]

Who knows if Florida would have scored more than 1 goal themselves in game 7 if they didn't get one freebie.

 

[Soundwave]

Even 2006 man ... like both of the first two goals allowed by Markkanen here are like ... c'mon dude. A bit of a screen, maybe a tiny deflection on goal 1, but goal 2 is just straight up through him.



That's just the difference between a Markkanen/Skinner tier goalie and a higher tier goalie, a higher tier goalie doesn't allow that type of a basic shot to go in when the chips are on the table.

Obviously in 2006 the plan wasn't to ride or die with Jussi so management is forgiven for that, but really that's probably two game 7s blown for the Oilers in the Finals on fairly basic shots from distance that killed us.

The people who say "well just get the goal back!" don't understand score effects especially in a game 7 of a Cup Final, it completely alters the game 100%.

The one goal we got Pisani had to basically knock Ward off his ass to get it past him, lol.

 

[Drivesaitl]

and yet you say nothing about the offense scoring 1 goal COMBINED in Game 1 and 2

They don't get to play against Skinner.