Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: "Wheat Kings and Pretty Things, Let's See What The Expansion Draft Brings

[CycloneSweep]

The numbers getting thrown around are absolutely bonkers. I absolutely respect how much he's worked to get the the point he's at in his career. But there is no way in hell that he's a $3m player and he's about to get term.

Give me Granlund, give me Ullmark, give me Larsson and sprinkle in a couple one-year bottom six guys. We need to stay away from the top end of this UFA class. It's gonna be ugly.

He's going to get 4mill most likely...it's going to basically sky rocket the price of middle guys too.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Why does everyone think Seattle is selecting Price? >10 million cap hit goalie until 2026 when he'll be like 39 years old, that sounds like an absolutely crippling contract 2 years in.

 

[LTIR]

Forsberg is grumpy after Arvidsson and Ellis trades. Ideal McPulju winger

 

[CanmoreMike]

He's going to get 4mill most likely...it's going to basically sky rocket the price of middle guys too.

If it does it'll put a squeeze elsewhere.

Maybe the Granlunds who are looking to establish a market will need to take big cuts to stay in the league.

It's a cap world - and a flat one at that - so the more the middle guys get the less someone else gets.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Has Kessel's $5M signing bonus been paid yet?

Unfortunately yes, would've loved to bait Arizona's cheap asses letting us pay the bonus instead for a lower trade value Kessel.

 

[SK13]

I honestly don't believe Chicago was under great fire to trade Keith. They are facing about $7.6M in cap penalties if Keith retires early. If he played at least one more season with them that number reduces to $4.3M. Bowman must've felt he was still useful and if I was him I'd be leary of those cap recapture penalties. Right now Chicago will owe $5.5M and $2.2M in dead cap space if he retires at seasons end. They are assuming a lot of risk on this.

The only way the Oilers had leverage is if Keith threatened to retire if he wasn't traded to the Oilers for next to nothing. But he's got friends on that team, he's worked with Bowman for years. I can't imagine he'd want to burn his reputation down over this.

This could probably just stay in the Keith thread, but... I'll bite.

Chicago was going to move Keith. He's a Blackhawks legend at the end of his career. They weren't going to say to him "no, we won't trade you to be near the child you didn't get to see at all in the last year". Even Stan Bowman isn't that big of an asshat.

The thing is, the Oilers weren't the only option. They could have certainly exposed Keith to Seattle, and even if Seattle doesn't bite on that (I'm not sure what else Chicago is having to expose), they could make a side-deal to get Seattle to take Keith. If what Chicago wants is salary cap space to make a hard run at Seth Jones with, then they'd probably make it happen with whatever B or C tier asset it'd take over negotiating with the Oilers into August. And who knows what Vancouver is thinking if both Edler and Hamonic are gone and they've missed out on whatever defenseman they're targeting (*cough*Larsson*cough*).

Beyond that I think the salary retention was not a huge problem for the Oilers considering the real dollars are much lower and actual money is relevant to the Daryl Katz. They've taken a bath during the pandemic and they were missing payments to hotels and shit before all that. Getting to 81.5M cap dollars on the nose so they can use as much of Klefbom's LTIR relief as possible without actually spending money is possibly something that informed the Keith deal as much as anything else.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

all bonuses were paid on July 1st

Was wondering about this since Price is due his $11M signing bonus in September apparently. Is July 1st just the first day a club can elect to pay the bonus?

 

[oobga]

Seattle could get some great assets if they flipped price and retained 3.5M or so for the 5 years. Unless they think they can go full Vegas and contend immediately, I think they could have a good bidding war for a retained Price among the wanna-be contender teams in the league.

 

[bellagiobob]

Price's chance at a Hart trophy if Seattle would make the playoffs...

Nichushkin might have something to say about that. . And a couple of random Oilers might get a vote or two.

 

[SK13]

Was wondering about this since Price is due his $11M signing bonus in September apparently. Is July 1st just the first day a club can elect to pay the bonus?

July 1 is usually the formal start to the new season and so bonuses seem to be paid in July.

It's not true that ALL bonuses are. Milan Lucic wasn't yet paid his bonus as of the second week of July 2019 for example.

 

[bellagiobob]

Seattle could get some great assets if they flipped price and retained 3.5M or so for the 5 years. Unless they think they can go full Vegas and contend immediately, I think they could have a good bidding war for a retained Price among the wanna-be contender teams in the league.

Price can say no, but if it’s to a desirable location, he would probably welcome the opportunity. Can you imagine if he went to the Leafs?

 

[oobga]

Price can say no, but if it’s to a desirable location, he would probably welcome the opportunity. Can you imagine if he went to the Leafs?

Yeah, still keeps the NMC even if he waived for expansion eh? I guess if he finds himself on Seattle, he might be open to getting back on a good team. Would be nice for him, he's been trying to carry a shallow roster for a very long time in the NHL.

 

[bellagiobob]

Why does everyone think Seattle is selecting Price? >10 million cap hit goalie until 2026 when he'll be like 39 years old, that sounds like an absolutely crippling contract 2 years in.

Fleury is three years older than Price and just won the Vezina. Some guys can still excel at that age. I’d definitely take him if I’m Francis. It’s a risk, but you don’t get to take the goalie who just took his underdog team to the SC for zero assets very often. At worst you talk to him and see if he is amicable for a flip and retention. Golden opportunity for Seattle. Many panned Vegas taking Fleury, figuring he was washed up.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Fleury is three years older than Price and just won the Vezina. Some guys can still excel at that age. I’d definitely take him if I’m Francis. It’s a risk, but you don’t get to take the goalie who just took his underdog team to the SC for zero assets very often. At worst you talk to him and see if he is amicable for a flip and retention. Golden opportunity for Seattle. Many panned Vegas taking Fleury, figuring he was washed up.

And for every Fleury there's like 5 goalies who fall off a cliff with age and at that fat of a contract you could potentially have a Bobrovsky situation on your hands in a few years.

 

[oobga]

And for every Fleury there's like 5 goalies who fall off a cliff with age and at that fat of a contract you could potentially have a Bobrovsky situation on your hands in a few years.

Price did just carry his team to the finals though. I think lots of teams would try to get him from Seattle if Seattle would retain. Oilers included I bet. Clearly we think any great old players can continue to be great, even if they were horrible recently (not the case for Price of course, but was for another aged guy that a team just paid to take the full cap hit of).

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[bellagiobob]

And for every Fleury there's like 5 goalies who fall off a cliff with age and at that fat of a contract you could potentially have a Bobrovsky situation on your hands in a few years.

The high draft pedigree ones seem to last longer. It’s a risk, but one I’d take for both one ice and off ice reasons. Balls out, high risk, high reward.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Was wondering about this since Price is due his $11M signing bonus in September apparently. Is July 1st just the first day a club can elect to pay the bonus?

I was under the impression that July 1st or August 1st were the bonus days--in previous years trades had been held up while team A waited to pay a bonus and then trade him to team B--no idea why they put a September clause in--that is a new one on me--where did you see September?

EDIT--I see it is the athletic reporting it

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

I was under the impression that July 1st or August 1st were the bonus days--in previous years trades had been held up while team A waited to pay a bonus and then trade him to team B--no idea why they put a September clause in--that is a new one on me--where did you see September?

 

[bellagiobob]

Not sure if she’s smiling cause she knows she’s staying in Montreal, or because she gets to go back to her home state.

 

[BlackDogg]

Nichushkin might have something to say about that. . And a couple of random Oilers might get a vote or two.

I don't think an expansion team should be able to make the playoffs in Year 1.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Stamkos is not available, they didn't ask him to waive the NMC.
And Kuznetsov is not gonna be exposed, he is available for trade, not expansion draft

When did I say their team can only be made with the draft? They can't trade for either?

 

[Sweetpotato]

If they decided to try to sign Landeskog in free agency, this would be pretty decent:

Landeskog-Kuznetsov-Tarasenko
Domi-Stamkos-Eberle

They could be bonkers but they need to get a strong D. After Minny and Nashville made their moves it's going to be harder.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Seattle could get some great assets if they flipped price and retained 3.5M or so for the 5 years. Unless they think they can go full Vegas and contend immediately, I think they could have a good bidding war for a retained Price among the wanna-be contender teams in the league.

The way we hand out our draft picks for nothing I wouldn't blink at trading a first rounder for Price with 3.5M retained. Think about it Seattle.

 

[North]

Any updates on the lists? I’m half in the bag shooting darts in garage watching Bucks Suns game. Never thought I would like basketball but I got into it when Raps won. I don’t watch all the time, only big games

Some names that are being exposed are leaking. I think Chicago’s list leaked but nothing on the Oilers front yet.