Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[Garbo Man]

I finally had enough and made some changes to certain settings last week as the noise from a few posters was insane - it's soooo much better now (well there are a few exceptions but I'm trying to be tolerant, lol).

I'm all for being persistent but seeing the same thing over and over and over and over is so tiring.

I mean if you're gonna post the same thing over and over at least TRY to make it look different amirite?

 

[foshizzle]

Haha that game Nurse was suspended should've shown how much we actually needed him.


About 2.25million overpaid, but he is still a valuable Dman, and would be a prize at $7m AAV.

I mean- him and Ceci were destroyed in the Vegas series and I believe outscored 8-1 when they were on the ice…

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I mean- him and Ceci were destroyed in the Vegas series and I believe outscored 8-1 when they were on the ice…

Nurse was definitely one of the worst Oilers in that series.

 

[YakDavid]

guessing we won’t see the depth guy signed until Bouchard is signed but we won’t see Bouchard signed till McLeod is signed. Just a waiting game.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Nurse was definitely one of the worst Oilers in that series.

He averaged 1 5v5 goal against a game in the playoffs.

The only guys that played 10+ games and managed that:

Nurse
Old balls Giordano
Jake McCabe
Vince Dunn
Esa Lindell (who got absolutely f***ing trashed haha)

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He averaged 1 5v5 goal against a game in the playoffs.

The only guys that played 10+ games and managed that:

Nurse
Old balls Giordano
Jake McCabe
Vince Dunn
Esa Lindell (who got absolutely f***ing trashed haha)

That's... not great company for sure.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

What would the cap be right now if McDavid went to Buffalo?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

That's... not great company for sure.

Speaking of goals against, I keep seeing people suggesting Andrew Peeke as a solution for us...

he was on the ice for 44 goals for and 91 against. That 91 is 2nd most in the NHL. Most is Erik Karlsson...but he was on for 96 goals for and 96 against.

 

[Fourier]

I mean- him and Ceci were destroyed in the Vegas series and I believe outscored 8-1 when they were on the ice…

The pair got killed but Nurse away from Ceci was fine. Even if Nurse was not with McDavid or if Nurse was facing Eichel.

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A healthy Ceci is over his head playing against Vegas in the situations that pair had to play. An injured Ceci is way over his head. And Nurse is not the guy you want trying to do too much to cover for his partner.

 

[Soundwave]

He averaged 1 5v5 goal against a game in the playoffs.

The only guys that played 10+ games and managed that:

Nurse
Old balls Giordano
Jake McCabe
Vince Dunn
Esa Lindell (who got absolutely f***ing trashed haha)

Nurse, Ceci, and Skinner should be ashamed of the playoff performances they put up, RNH 5 on 5 also. Completely stinking up the place.

 

[Fourier]

guessing we won’t see the depth guy signed until Bouchard is signed but we won’t see Bouchard signed till McLeod is signed. Just a waiting game.

They should sign Bouchard first and then deal with McLeod. If he gets $2M in arbitration you may have to move him if you don't have space. But Bouchard is definitely the more important contract.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The pair got killed but Nurse away from Ceci was fine. Even if Nurse was not with McDavid or if Nurse was facing Eichel.

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A healthy Ceci is over his head playing against Vegas in the situations that pair had to play. An injured Ceci is way over his head. And Nurse is not the guy you want trying to do too much to cover for his partner.

Nurse should be the guy that elevates his partner. That pairing is a trainwreck. Nurse seemed to do fine with Bear, but obviously that's not going to happen.

 

[Soundwave]

They should sign Bouchard first and then deal with McLeod. If he gets $2M in arbitration you may have to move him if you don't have space. But Bouchard is definitely the more important contract.

Are you even allowed to trade a player after an arbitration ruling?

 

[Fourier]

Nurse should be the guy that elevates his partner. That pairing is a trainwreck. Nurse seemed to do fine with Bear, but obviously that's not going to happen.

That is one of Nurse's big issue I believe. He is not the guy to elevate or cover for his partner. I think that he either needs a guy with some true puck skills to allow him to just stay at home or a guy like Ekholm who can not only play but is a rock for his partner, allowing Nurse to use his athleticism.

Are you even allowed to trade a player after an arbitration ruling?

Yes. You can't trade him after an offer sheet is matched but there is no restriction following an arbitration hearing.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Haha that game Nurse was suspended should've shown how much we actually needed him.


About 2.25million overpaid, but he is still a valuable Dman, and would be a prize at $7m AAV.

perfectly said. Agreed

 

[McAsuno]

Come home, Patty

 

[bobbythebrain]

Me every time I see Broberg Speed post concerning Bouchard or McLeod:

At first i thought he was just targeting those players on a whyme, but it's obvouis he really dislikes them.
He's definitely passionate about whyming. There's nothing wrong with having several accounts on how to build a whyming team

 

[Duke74]

Despite his flaws, the moment the Oilers trade Darnell Nurse, they will wish they had Darnell Nurse.

Not only that but trading Nurse will piss off McDavid. If people are worried about McDavid leaving after his contract expires, wait until you see how he reacts after we trade Nurse.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I brought this up on the Got Yer Back Podcast. Is the solution as simple as just trading Brett Kulak? I know they like him and its a tough move but allows you to hit mutiple birds with one stone.

1. You give Broberg the icetime that he needs as a bottom pairing defenceman.
2. It opens up money so that you can sign Bouchard and McLeod to the deals that they need and maybe even give them some extra term.
3. Have money leftover to accrue cap space and ice a 22 man roster which is needed for TDL acquisitions.
4. You get an asset back from moving Kulak - he has value.

This team's d-corp is not good enough as it is. They can't afford to carve out a good quality, fairly affordable veteran d who has deep playoff experience, ability to move up in line-up for short durations, and can play either side. Kulak is not a cap dump. If anything, you try to move a surplus winger like Foegele and give replacement young, cheaper options, Holloway or Lavoie, more runway within bottom six support roles.

Trialing a third pair of Kulak and Broberg is a do-able opening day experiment with Desharnais in the mix. Even still this team is a top four RD away from being a legitimate Cup level blue line imo.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oskar Sundquivst was a guy I was hoping they’d take a look at. Can play all 3 fwd positions, right shot, big guy, can be physical, can pk.

Went back to STL on a 775k one year deal.

And Cup pedigree. A few of us were on this player's bandwagon. That is an incredible deal for St. Louis.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Dramatic trades and changes.


Trade with SJ

TO SJ: Bouchard, Ceci, Campbell, 2025 1st and Broberg

TO EDM: Karlsson ($4.5M retained), Kahkonen and Duclair


Then a trade with Vegas (yeah I know)

To VGS: Kahkonen(50% retainted= $1.375), Savoie and 2024 2nd

To EDM: Logan Thompson


Re-up McLeod long term 5years, imo. Sign Matt Dumba 1yr $1.5M and sign Tomas Nosek 1yr $1M, and Simon Benoit, 1yr $850K


Then it looks like

Kane - McDavid - Brown
Duclair - Draisaitl - Hyman
Nuge - McLeod - Foegele
Janmark - Nosek - Ryan
Holloway, Pederson

Nurse - Karlsson
Ekholm - Dumba
Kulak - Desharnais
Benoit

Skinner
Thompson


Just a little different.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not only that but trading Nurse will piss off McDavid. If people are worried about McDavid leaving after his contract expires, wait until you see how he reacts after we trade Nurse.

If he won a Stanley Cup I'm sure he'd get over it.

Hockey is a business and the business is winning, not making friends.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

That is one of Nurse's big issue I believe. He is not the guy to elevate or cover for his partner. I think that he either needs a guy with some true puck skills to allow him to just stay at home or a guy like Ekholm who can not only play but is a rock for his partner, allowing Nurse to use his athleticism.


Yes. You can't trade him after an offer sheet is matched but there is no restriction following an arbitration hearing.

Agreed. Nurse needs a stabilizing partner who plays a highly consistent, structured, disciplined and smart game. Someone who can absorb the overly aggressive/impulsive tendencies of Nurse to chase play outside of high danger scoring areas.

There's such great utility in Nurse's game. Unfortunately it can tend to unravel at times in critical moments with his aggressive instinct to challenge in his defending which leaves his team (and partner) vulnerable within high danger ice. The coverage support breaks down giving up high quality scoring opportunities against pretty pedestrian league goaltending.

Oilers coaching though also needs to change its own zone defending system to better align with this team's core strength of an elite attacking offensive forward group. Flush the zone defense and simplify to have the d-corp focus on more structured defending home plate.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

This team's d-corp is not good enough as it is. They can't afford to carve out a good quality, fairly affordable veteran d who has deep playoff experience, ability to move up in line-up for short durations, and can play either side. Kulak is not a cap dump. If anything, you try to move a surplus winger like Foegele and give replacement young, cheaper options, Holloway or Lavoie, more runway within bottom six support roles.

Trialing a third pair of Kulak and Broberg is a do-able opening day experiment with Desharnais in the mix. Even still this team is a top four RD away from being a legitimate Cup level blue line imo.

Agree. Given their current cap issues and barring something very creative from the Oilers brain trust I anticipate them filling that hole at or near the TDL unless Broberg completely breaks out or a huge rebound season from Ceci.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would be very happy with that number for Bouchard on a 2 year deal..

I expect him to come in at about $3.6M - $3.75M.

Bouchard should get very similar to the K'Andre Miller deal. That is a great comparable.