Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So we're looking at a best case scenario of

Sekera - Fayne
Klefbom(probably hurt) - Nurse
Reinhart - Davidson
Osterle

I wonder if you can open and close a new Arena in the same year.

 

[Raab]

Sergachev does nothing to make the Oilers better now.

You always take the BPA in round 1 and right now that's either Tkachuk or Dubois.

Are you sure about that? IMO he's better at 17 then any dman we have in the system not named Klefbom or Sekera.

 

[Namtsua]

Are you sure about that? IMO he's better at 17 then any dman we have in the system not named Klefbom or Sekera.

He might be, but is it wise to throw him to the wolves next season?

 

[Halibut]

What does Serg have to do with the rest of what your saying?

It very common for even extremely talented defenders to take 5+ years to be effective and consistent in a top 4 nhl role.

So your saying let's restart the rebuild starting now and not worry about our D for the next half decade or more?

Turn that around and you are saying who cares about 5 years from now when we can have yet another high end winger who is going to have a nice rookie season in terms of point totals but will do little to turn this team around long term. We're in such a rush to fix things here and now that we dont put in the work that might eventually fix the team. It's like we've got a flat tire but the Oilers want to push the car all the way home rather than take the time to change the flat.

 

[Spawn]

And none of those guys help with our offence from the backend. At least Franson brings something were lacking. Even with his crap contract its still only 1 year and he's gone if he doesn't fit.

Franson doesn't really help with offense from the back end either. Dude is not a good player. Maybe he'd help on the PP. But honestly he's not much of a PP player either.

 

[nhlisajoke]

ARIZ is acquiring the negotiation rights to UFA D Alex Goligoski from DAL. @CraigCustance was first to sniff it out.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Watching Gregor and Staples ***** at each other on Twitter is fun, and they're both being tools.

I don't mind mind Staples but Gregor is a tool, can't stand his articles.

 

[Raab]

What does Serg have to do with the rest of what your saying?

It very common for even extremely talented defenders to take 5+ years to be effective and consistent in a top 4 nhl role.

So your saying let's restart the rebuild starting now and not worry about our D for the next half decade or more?

And how long did OEL, Lindholm, Doughty, and Pietrangelo take? Not all of them take 5+ years. If you look at the accolades that Sergachev has received and the comparables there's no reason to think he's more then 2-3 years away from being a franchise dman if all goes well. As a worst case scenario he's your second pairing offensive dman in 3 years.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Are you sure about that? IMO he's better at 17 then any dman we have in the system not named Klefbom or Sekera.

Hell he's probably close to as good as Klefbom, because obviously Oscar will be hurt to start the year.

 

[Gretzky to Kurri]

So we're looking at a best case scenario of

Sekera - Fayne
Klefbom(probably hurt) - Nurse
Reinhart - Davidson
Osterle

I wonder if you can open and close a new Arena in the same year.

Step away from the ledge Jimmi.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Goligoski is a solid addition for Arizona.

Sucks for us because a Pacific team just got stronger if he signs.

 

[s7ark]

Not a rumor. link

Oh that's nice. I didn't hear about that.

Pretty bummed that Demers looks to be staying. Our defense is going to suck again next season. Chia needs to trade down and take a D.

 

[North]

And how long did OEL, Lindholm, Doughty, and Pietrangelo take? Not all of them take 5+ years. If you look at the accolades that Sergachev has received and the comparables there's no reason to think he's more then 2-3 years away from being a franchise dman if all goes well. As a worst case scenario he's your second pairing offensive dman in 3 years.

So you're willing to put an unproven d man in the NHL right away. Worked wonders for Nurse.

Sergachev is magic beans. The Oilers have done that over and over. It's time to get real established d men.

The season just ended. The sky isn't falling yet.

 

[Narnia]

Actually were going to need one for both. Drafting Tkachuk or Dubois doesnt accomplish either, drafting Sergachev or Chychrun or Juolevi gives us a shot at least at the latter. Most teams get their top d-men in the draft and they're pretty hesitant about trading them away. We've been talking Subban, Faulk, Barrie but the closer we get to draft day the more it seems like a pipe dream that any of these will be available. I wont be surprised if we see a steady stream of rfa's being signed in the next little bit or arbitration cases announced taking away the dreams of offer sheets. So how are we going to get any potential top pairing d-men for 3 years from now let alone this season if we dont draft them?

Oilers are thin at forward a lot more than on D. Who is the RW after Eberle? Who's the LW after Hall, Pouliot and Maroon? Oilers need offense just as much as D.

 

[Narnia]

Hextall never offer sheeted Weber, that was Holmgren, he made 6 trades with Nashville prior to the offer sheet and none afterwards.

The Hjalmarson offer-sheet was honestly a gift 4 years at $3.5M AAV, they should send Doug Wilson a gift basket for negotiating an awesome extension on Chicago's behalf.

In the cases where there is bad blood it never seems to carry over to the next GM. Each GM and organization is different some have no problem with offer-sheets and others like Burke challenges you to a fight in a barn. Fan bases call for offer sheets every off-season, but it's really in everyones best interests it to keep to a seldom used tool or practice. They generally only work when you overpay to a stupid level and then no one benefits. In the past 10 years 8 offer sheets have been extended and only the Penner offer-sheet was not matched and the Ducks got the better end of that exchange.

Anaheim and the Oilers have since made trades.

 

[Raab]

Franson doesn't really help with offense from the back end either. Dude is not a good player. Maybe he'd help on the PP. But honestly he's not much of a PP player either.

I dunno about that, last year which was a down year for him he would have been second in defenceman scoring on the team behind Sekera. The 3 years prior to that I believe he would have led the Oilers defenceman in scoring. He's not as good as a guy like Shattenkirk offensively for sure, but as a 3rd pairing option that won't cost much I think we could do worse.

 

[suddeninterest]

The silver lining from the Ari/Goligoski situation is that it may now open up a trade down with Ari because they have more incentive to move up and get a forward they can have on ELC soon (Tkachuk/Dubois) than to pick a D at 7 which it was suspected they would do.

 

[belair]

Are you sure about that? IMO he's better at 17 then any dman we have in the system not named Klefbom or Sekera.

SAYS WHO???

You're hyping the **** out of this guy. And you've got very few scouts supporting your theory.

 

[Gretzky to Kurri]

So we're looking at a best case scenario of

Sekera - Fayne
Klefbom(probably hurt) - Nurse
Reinhart - Davidson
Osterle

I wonder if you can open and close a new Arena in the same year.

Step away from the ledge Jimmi.

 

[Raab]

So you're willing to put an unproven d man in the NHL right away. Worked wonders for Nurse.

Sergachev is magic beans. The Oilers have done that over and over. It's time to get real established d men.

The season just ended. The sky isn't falling yet.

Sergachev is only magic beans if you haven't seen him play. He's WAY better then Nurse was at the same age, heck I think he's better then Nurse is right now. Better shot, better IQ, and better stick handling, Nurse might have him slightly beat on skating but its close.

 

[Young Lions*]

SAYS WHO???

You're hyping the **** out of this guy. And you've got very few scouts supporting your theory.

You'd think in a year where the top end of the draft is basically two guys, a surefire superstud like that would be closer to the top 5 in the rankings instead of not even being the top ranked defenceman.

 

[North]

Arizona still has to sign Goligoski.

Dallas may actually be extending Russell and not Demers.

Until these things come to pass why are people in a panic?

 

[Weitz]

I don't mind mind Staples but Gregor is a tool, can't stand his articles.

Staples has the worst opinions. Gregor is marginally better.

In fact all of the Oilers media guys are pretty terrible.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Goligoski is a solid addition for Arizona.

Sucks for us because a Pacific team just got stronger if he signs.

I don't know why Goligoski (or any other player) would want to sign long-term with the Coyotes. Their arena and financial situation in Glendale remains abyssmal. Beyond the 2016-17 season the Coyotes could be playing anywhere and/or be forced into a roster fire sale. For a veteran player seeking stability and security for his family it is the worst franchise in the league.

 

[Spawn]

Sergachev is only magic beans if you haven't seen him play. He's WAY better then Nurse was at the same age, heck I think he's better then Nurse is right now. Better shot, better IQ, and better stick handling, Nurse might have him slightly beat on skating but its close.

If the things you've been saying about him were true he'd be a sure fire top 4 pick and would be challenging Laine/Puljujarvi for the top 3.

So hard to take you seriously when you speak in such hyperbole.