Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[Soli]

Seth Jones is basically the only player I have interest in offer-sheeting.

Shoots right, PPs, is the right age, has top pairing upside, is a top-4 defenseman now. He could be a good fit with Darnell Nurse someday and we have his brother in our system.

I'm getting more and more onboard this. Watching CBJ with vested interest. Hope they don't get a good cap savings off of a Hartnell deal.

That said, such a pipe dream they'd get bullied out of Jones.

 

[Mr Positive]

Have to think only reason they wouldn't trade down for those two picks is they think the dman they want won't be there at 7.

Or maybe we would take a guy like Logan Brown at #7, and then look for one of those RHD prospects at #20.

 

[belair]

I'm getting more and more onboard this. Watching CBJ with vested interest. Hope they don't get a good cap savings off of a Hartnell deal.

If they can't get that mess cleaned up soon, Jarmo could be out of a job pretty quickly. I know it's not all on him, but their cap/contract situation is UGLY.

 

[NewBoysClub97*]

I wish there was a feature here that allowed a SpeedyTurtle post to be sent as a text notification. Saves a lot of time lol.

 

[lakai17]

That would be outstanding. But extremely unlikely.

Not extremely as Columbus are loaded on the wing. The Brown hype has risen in the past month.

I believe Columbus may be eyeing up Dubois or Brown over Puljujarvi due to their wing depth at this moment.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Have to think only reason they wouldn't trade down for those two picks is they think the dman they want won't be there at 7.

Or Chia said no in the hopes they step their offer up.

7 and 20 is a good offer but it doesn't do anything for us now.

They must not like the risk of the Flames taking Sergachev.

 

[Mr Positive]

Not extremely as Columbus are loaded on the wing. The Brown hype has risen in the past month.

I believe Columbus may be eyeing up Dubois or Brown over Puljujarvi due to their wing depth at this moment.

from what I've read, the more likely thing is that they will trade down and get a ransom for the right to draft Puljujarvi. That lets them get Brown.

Brown is a name that has been mentioned directly for a long time. I've suggested before that Columbus was planning to draft him a long time ago, and basically winning the lottery has thrown a wrench in their plans. It's a good problem to have, but it's still a problem. Now, there is the chance that they don't get their center and take yet another winger. If they don't get their center elsewhere, it could be a disaster.

 

[belair]

Or Chia said no in the hopes they step their offer up.

7 and 20 is a good offer but it doesn't do anything for us now.

They must not like the risk of the Flames taking Sergachev.

Why would the Flames take Sergachev?

 

[Aerchon]

http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/report-oilers-have-rejected-a-major-offer-for-their-4-pick-in-the-draft?ref=jo

The young Coyotes GM trying to make moves...

I agree it's a significant trade offer but also one that does not give good value to the Oilers. They lose the best player and thus the trade.

While Serg and say Fabbro would be great as an example that does not help anytime soon and really Tkachuk or Dubios are considered significantly better.

The timline of those players is tough to rationalize.

Im very impressed with Chiarelli attempting to hold out for something that will actually help us in the near future and to a significant degree.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Why would the Flames take Sergachev?

Their right side D is a lot stronger than their left.

Brodie-Gio
Sergachev-Hamilton

That would be a tough top 4 for me to pass up as the Flames GM.

There's also the fact that I'm not super high on Nylander.

 

[Mr Positive]

Or Chia said no in the hopes they step their offer up.

7 and 20 is a good offer but it doesn't do anything for us now.

They must not like the risk of the Flames taking Sergachev.

Have we reached a point where Sergachev is ranked that high in the draft? If so, then why not just take him at 4? I still get the impression that the three top D in the draft are roughly equal depending on your needs, and they are ranked together starting around 8th.

I'm not worried about what Calgary does. In fact, I'd rather they stay a 1 line team by drafting a defenseman. They are stacked on defense already.

 

[belair]

Their right side D is a lot stronger than their left.

Brodie-Gio
Sergachev-Hamilton

That would be a tough top 4 for me to pass up as the Flames GM.

There's also the fact that I'm not super high on Nylander.

Their center depth ain't pretty either.

I think it's Big 3/Tkachuk/Dubois/Brown/Nylander/Keller/Jost on their draft board.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Have we reached a point where Sergachev is ranked that high in the draft? If so, then why not just take him at 4? I still get the impression that the three top D in the draft are roughly equal depending on your needs, and they are ranked together starting around 8th.

I'm not worried about what Calgary does. In fact, I'd rather they stay a 1 line team by drafting a defenseman. They are stacked on defense already.

The only thing I do not want to do is trade down with them.

I don't want either Dubois or Tkachuk on that team.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I only move #4 if we get a D-man between 23 to 26 with either a long term or would be a UFA when his current contract ends.. we need a top guy--that is painfully obvious.

 

[Narnia]

Stone and 7 for 4 and... Something. Yakupov?

Goligoski might give them some flexibility, he can play either side.

Why do people keep trading the #4 when the Oilers most likely aren't trading the #4?

 

[Raab]

Or Chia is just waiting to see if Pulji drops to 4. The pick will have it's best value when the #3 pick is done. Especially if it's just draft picks coming our way. If it was an impact player offered it might be another story.

But why turn the deal down outright? Why not just wait until the draft and tell him if Puljujarvi isn't there your willing to do the deal? I can see Arizona wanting Tkachuk bad since he's a local kid for them, he'd be pretty damn marketable.

 

[rosemount289]

Chia turning this...........???

Chia turning this rumour down tells me two possible scenarios.......Arizona wants the second Arizona native badly and/or Chia already has a deal in place for a defencemen.

 

[Narnia]

Meh your dumping Pouliot so really your adding the 1.5M. I think that's affordable given what we're paying our wingers longterm and the fact RNH will eventually be moved. On top of that it's not like he's over the hill. Foligno's only 28 and would look real good next to Mcdavid for the next 5 years.

Foligno-Mcdavid-Eberle
Hall-Draisaitl-?
Maroon-RNH-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarainen

Klefbom-Savard
Sekera-Fayne

It's not great, but I really like the looks of that top line. Add a guy like Mcguinn to that second line and holy crap we've gotten a lot bigger, tougher to play against.

People need to stop putting Draisaitl on the 2nd line centre position. Until Draisaitl can play 82 games at wing without tiring, he's not playing centre.

 

[dustrock]

Chia turning this rumour down tells me two possible scenarios.......Arizona wants the second Arizona native badly and/or Chia already has a deal in place for a defencemen.

Or he's going to wait until the day of the draft to maximize value.

 

[Raab]

Chia turning this rumour down tells me two possible scenarios.......Arizona wants the second Arizona native badly and/or Chia already has a deal in place for a defencemen.

Or the most plausible the player they want isn't available at 7.

 

[duul]

I would love to offer sheet Jones. He's a beast. I think he is going to be one of the leagues all star D by as early as next year. I would be comfortable bringing him in at any price, so long as we can also sign a defensive defenceman to show him the ropes. Some kind of veteran who can still play. A Hamhuis type.

 

[Jumptheshark]

But why turn the deal down outright? Why not just wait until the draft and tell him if Puljujarvi isn't there your willing to do the deal? I can see Arizona wanting Tkachuk bad since he's a local kid for them, he'd be pretty damn marketable.

if it is a legit source. I would not trade 4th for 7th and 20th--scouts are split on how deep this draft is. If the Oilers trade the 4th for picks--then they are admitting they are 5 years away from the playoffs--then you need to look at who will be oilers in 5 years. McDavid and Leon D and build from there

 

[Sempiternal]

I'd try to convince Stan Bowman to move Brent Seabrook with a hefty package of cap friendly pieces. I'd overpay for him, but I'm a huge fan.

 

[North]

Or the most plausible the player they want isn't available at 7.

You're right. The player they want would be gone because Tkachuk is who they want.

 

[MDCSL]

Their center depth ain't pretty either.

I think it's Big 3/Tkachuk/Dubois/Brown/Nylander/Keller/Jost on their draft board.

I think it comes down to if the flames trade colbourne or not. If they get rid of him, or sign him to a bridge deal, I think they draft brown at 6 to replace him as a large 3c that can play wing, just like colbourne is. Colbournes looking to get paid after a season with unsustainable shooting % and I don't think they can afford to keep him.