Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: The "Well, we're waiting!!!" Edition with a sprinkle of "Don't believe his lies."

[GMofOilers]

It's statistical fact, but whatever.

Your the one adding the IF

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Now post records.

Mikko Koskinen was 27-12-4 last season and most of this board couldn't wait to see him board a plane.

All that saves the Oilers from getting crushed in most Campbell games is they score a full goal more every game with Campbell in net. Probably because they know it's gonna be Swiss cheese back there.

 

[K1984]

I wonder if they try and play tighter defensively for Skinner because he's a rookie but with Campbell they know his track record and cheat for offence more hoping he will bail them out.

It's the only logical conclusion.

This team LOVES shortcuts, especially defensively. Whether its conscious or sub-conscious, it has to be what it is.

Your the one adding the IF

Yes, it is statistical fact that IF Skinner got the goal support Campbell does he would have more wins.

Skinner is the better goalie by every single metric, usually by some margin. Not sure why you're on this crusade constantly, but pretending Campbell is even equal to Skinner is ridiculous.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Isn't it strange that every goalie during the Schwartz era have all been weak high glove?

And they also tend to let in early goals...

 

[GMofOilers]

Mikko Koskinen was 27-12-4 last season and most of this board couldn't wait to see him board a plane.

All that saves the Oilers from getting crushed in most Campbell games is they score a full goal more every game with Campbell in net. Probably because they know it's gonna be Swiss cheese back there.

So you won’t post records? They are pretty drastic for 30 games each

It's the only logical conclusion.

This team LOVES shortcuts, especially defensively. Whether its conscious or sub-conscious, it has to be what it is.



Yes, it is statistical fact that IF Skinner got the goal support Campbell does he would have more wins.

Skinner is the better goalie by every single metric, usually by some margin. Not sure why you're on this crusade constantly, but pretending Campbell is even equal to Skinner is ridiculous.

If only the world ran on IFs

See what I did there?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It's because the media fail to realize or grasp that the team (for whatever f***ing reason) consistently plays like dog shit in front of Skinner, but not in front of Campbell which is why one wins more games.

Skinner's only real shitty game was Montreal and that was a top to bottom team effort in that one.

How many times have we seen that this year, too?

The team absolutely mails it in, Skinner is the only one that shows up, but he eats the L anyway. That Philly game was a perfect example.

Meanwhile Campbell allows 4 goals against but the Oilers score 7 and win. "Reclaimed the #1 job!"

 

[K1984]

So you won’t post records? They are pretty drastic for 30 games each



If only the world ran on IFs

See what I did there?

Nope.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's the only logical conclusion.

This team LOVES shortcuts, especially defensively. Whether its conscious or sub-conscious, it has to be what it is.



Yes, it is statistical fact that IF Skinner got the goal support Campbell does he would have more wins.

Skinner is the better goalie by every single metric, usually by some margin. Not sure why you're on this crusade constantly, but pretending Campbell is even equal to Skinner is ridiculous.

It's this exact scene:

 

[K1984]

How many times have we seen that this year, too?

The team absolutely mails it in, Skinner is the only one that shows up, but he eats the L anyway. That Philly game was a perfect example.

Meanwhile Campbell allows 4 goals against but the Oilers score 7 and win. "Reclaimed the #1 job!"

The team has straight up mailed it in for his last 5 starts.

Kings
Nucks
Blue Jackets
Flyers
Canadiens

Only one of those games that you could claim the team was even bare average was the Nuck game, and that one was a lazy game as well that Skinner had to be stellar in especially early and late. Three of these games could qualify for "worst effort of the year" easily.

Looking back at his last 10 starts there were maybe two games in there where the team wasn't complete shit. Its actually stunning.

 

[K1984]

If you want to use 1 game examples….

How about the Anaheim game? Oilers come back and tie the game at 3 and he had to make 1 save in the 3rd and let in the muffin to let them win the game.


So one goalie is below .500 essh

If only Campbell would let in just one muffin in his starts....

Been about a dozen of them over the past couple games.

 

[GMofOilers]

If only Campbell would let in just one muffin in his starts....

Been about a dozen of them over the past couple games.

They both let in Muffins in the last 4 games.

 

[TGOSnipes99]

They have both been sucking. This is like Yammp/JP

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I wonder if they try and play tighter defensively for Skinner because he's a rookie but with Campbell they know his track record and cheat for offence more hoping he will bail them out.

It's the only logical conclusion.

This team LOVES shortcuts, especially defensively. Whether its conscious or sub-conscious, it has to be what it is.



Yes, it is statistical fact that IF Skinner got the goal support Campbell does he would have more wins.

Skinner is the better goalie by every single metric, usually by some margin. Not sure why you're on this crusade constantly, but pretending Campbell is even equal to Skinner is ridiculous.

Other way around. At 5v5, 189 HDCA and 64.62 xGA in 1383 minutes for Skinner for 8.2 HDCA per 60 and 2.80 xGA per 60, 155 HDCA and 52.8 xGA in 1337 minutes for Campbell for 6.96 HDCA and 2.37 xGA per 60. For all situations, 264 HDCA and 94.19 xGA in 1729 minutes for Skinner for 9.16 HDCA per 60 and 3.27 xGA per 60, 216 HDCA and 77.22 xGA in 1697 minutes for Campbell for 7.63 HDCA per 60 and 2.73 xGA per 60. HDCF and xGF rates tend to be higher than for Skinner than for Campbell as well. We play more loose with Skinner, we generate more expected offense, and we concede more chances. The difference is Campbell's on ice shooting percentage is insane whereas Skinner's on ice shooting percentage is abysmal.

 

[Canovin]

I guess the 2nd round pick for Georgiev would have been the better choice lol

 

[GOilers88]

Never once said single year, said next year will be better at going for it and a reason why. I wanted to know when too much is too much. Some of these suggestions are a joke and you know it.
Move one of those 4 players for Who?Why give one of these 1st for a Chariot type player and have them do nothing and dump JP who can play 3/4 line this year. We will be no further ahead, just minus a 1st.
I made a mistake on the 1st with Tarasenko. Read the cost was to high for Kane, miss read the rest.

There is no too much at this point. The core is locked up. The cupboards are decently stocked. We're 8+ years into McDavid, and him and Drai are up in 2/3 years. You pay whatever you have to in picks and prospects to solidify the current roster and make your push for the next 2/3 years.

Nothing beyond that timeframe matters, because if they don't manage to win a cup, or make a finals at least, you can bet your ass the McDrai era will end and be known as biggest failure in the modern era.

We shouldn't be valuing first round picks at all. The only way they tangibly help the team is being traded for upgrades.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I guess the 2nd round pick for Georgiev would have been the better choice lol

According to Stauffer there was allegedly offers on Kass for either Jarry or Georgiev back in 2021 when both teams were panicking about Tom Wilson. I still don't understand why we didn't pull the trigger there. Both goalies have their warts but they're sure as hell better than Jack Campbell and it's better than dumping Kass for a 2nd+3rd the year later when those same teams were no longer paranoid of number 43.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Other way around. At 5v5, 189 HDCA and 64.62 xGA in 1383 minutes for Skinner for 8.2 HDCA per 60 and 2.80 xGA per 60, 155 HDCA and 52.8 xGA in 1337 minutes for Campbell for 6.96 HDCA and 2.37 xGA per 60. For all situations, 264 HDCA and 94.19 xGA in 1729 minutes for Skinner for 9.16 HDCA per 60 and 3.27 xGA per 60, 216 HDCA and 77.22 xGA in 1697 minutes for Campbell for 7.63 HDCA per 60 and 2.73 xGA per 60. HDCF and xGF rates tend to be higher than for Skinner than for Campbell as well. We play more loose with Skinner, we generate more expected offense, and we concede more chances. The difference is Campbell's on ice shooting percentage is insane whereas Skinner's on ice shooting percentage is abysmal.

But this is unpacking just stats without considering dynamic. Skinner is abysmal at playing the puck thus the Oilers get hemmed in more and have more difficulty with breakout with Skinner in net. Meanwhile Campbell does play the puck (not as much as Smith) and Campbell makes smart plays with the puck to his D like he did on the weekend. Campbell also has exceptional rebound control and several times on weekend rebounded a puck right to a nearby defender. A goalie is really on that aspect of game when he's doing that. The Oilers transition better with Campbell in net, and that relates to their breakout and fast breakouts as this is a club that often scores on the rush.

This is dynamic stuff. Puck playing goalies are often associated with higher GF for their clubs and I suspect in the case of superstar rush teams higher shooting % as well.

Forwards unfortunately though can tend to cheat forward if they have more confidence a breakout is going to occur. So a mixed blessing in that regard.

Skinner is inept handling the puck. Its something that for some reason hasn't been mentioned a lot.

 

[Canovin]

Campbell should be called Swiss cheese. Expensive and soft

 

[Drivesaitl]

According to Stauffer there was allegedly offers on Kass for either Jarry or Georgiev back in 2021 when both teams were panicking about Tom Wilson. I still don't understand why we didn't pull the trigger there. Both goalies have their warts but they're sure as hell better than Jack Campbell and it's better than dumping Kass for a 2nd+3rd the year later when those same teams were no longer paranoid of number 43.

Goalies are voodoo. Was anybody here hollering Georgiev in realtime? I don't recall it.

 

[bucks_oil]

Except Skinner is on a downward curve from earlier in the season because the league has figured out he's beatable high on the glove side.

Fix the defense and the goalies get better. This idea that we can go all ahead full offense and expect them to make crazy saves from wide open looks by the opposition is not only insanity, but not conductive to postseason success.

As for the last two games, ask yourself why are we selling out for offense with a three goal lead?

If you're expecting a Vezina candidate bailing us out all the time, you're gonna be waiting a long time.

Exactly. I actually don't think the D is that bad... our problem is in the neutral zone transition, leading to odd-man, low-back check pressure, breaks against.

In every game we were up 3-0 or 4-1 we were entirely content to trade chances all night in a track meet. Risky stretch passes and 1v3 dangles at the opposing blue line.

Campbell had a couple of absolute stinkers, but also some HUGE robberies on A+++ chances against. Those chances are coming because of a complete unwillingness to change our offensive game once we get up.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

But this is unpacking just stats without considering dynamic. Skinner is abysmal at playing the puck thus the Oilers get hemmed in more and have more difficulty with breakout with Skinner in net. Meanwhile Campbell does play the puck (not as much as Smith) and Campbell makes smart plays with the puck to his D like he did on the weekend. Campbell also has exceptional rebound control and several times on weekend rebounded a puck right to a nearby defender. A goalie is really on that aspect of game when he's doing that. The Oilers transition better with Campbell in net, and that relates to their breakout and fast breakouts as this is a club that often scores on the rush.

This is dynamic stuff. Puck playing goalies are often associated with higher GF for their clubs and I suspect in the case of superstar rush teams higher shooting % as well.

Forwards unfortunately though can tend to cheat forward if they have more confidence a breakout is going to occur. So a mixed blessing in that regard.

Skinner is inept handling the puck. Its something that for some reason hasn't been mentioned a lot.

If the Oilers get hemmed in as much as you claim with Skinner than why do we generate more chances in terms of shots, xGF, and HDCF with him in net? Also just eye test wise you can clearly see the team playing more back with Campbell in net and playing more aggressively with Skinner. We also tend to deploy Skinner against better teams.

Goalies are voodoo. Was anybody here hollering Georgiev in realtime? I don't recall it.

I wanted Ullmark (good) and Dreidger (fail) at the time IIRC but I would've been willing to flip Kass for either of those goalies just to shave off an extra year or two of salary.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Goalies are voodoo. Was anybody here hollering Georgiev in realtime? I don't recall it.

Yet we always seem to end up on the short end of the shaken stick.

 

[TGOSnipes99]

I guess the 2nd round pick for Georgiev would have been the better choice lol

People here were shitting all over Georgiev when his name came up

Exactly. I actually don't think the D is that bad... our problem is in the neutral zone transition, leading to odd-man, low-back check pressure, breaks against.

In every game we were up 3-0 or 4-1 we were entirely content to trade chances all night in a track meet. Risky stretch passes and 1v3 dangles at the opposing blue line.

Campbell had a couple of absolute stinkers, but also some HUGE robberies on A+++ chances against. Those chances are coming because of a complete unwillingness to change our offensive game once we get up.

Yup. These idiots (Mainly forwards) never play a safer game if we are up 2/3 or even 4 goals.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If the Oilers get hemmed in as much as you claim with Skinner than why do we generate more chances in terms of shots, xGF, and HDCF with him in net? Also just eye test wise you can clearly see the team playing more back with Campbell in net and playing more aggressively with Skinner. We also tend to deploy Skinner against better teams.

The HDSC type stats are horribly compiled. They're so wrong most of the time its not worth even using in analytics. For instance the Rangers game purported to have 11 for the Oilers and 6 for the rangers. Its like opposite of the game I watched.

In anycase think of it. Of course a team exits more efficiently with a good puck playing goalie. This allows setup and looks prior to the forecheck arriving. Goailes that can set up for their D are invaluable in this regard.

Of course a goalie that can't do that, and I encourage anybody to watch closer, is going to hinder puck transition out.

 

[GOilers88]

If you want to use 1 game examples….

How about the Anaheim game? Oilers come back and tie the game at 3 and he had to make 1 save in the 3rd and let in the muffin to let them win the game.


So one goalie is below .500 essh

Your constant hype of Jack Campbell and constant hacking down of Skinner despite everything that we've seen in games and everything that's been stated here is either completely trollish or just straight delusion.