Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: The "Well, we're waiting!!!" Edition with a sprinkle of "Don't believe his lies."

[Dazed and Confused]

Need to magically change Barrie into a top pairing right D.

Basically. Though I do think it's somewhat doable. Barrie is a positive asset, and should be movable for a pick/cheap asset coming back. That frees up the space for someone else to come in m

Maybe Kulak, Barrie, 1st for Gavrikov and Peeke?

Nurse-Peeke
Gavrikov-Ceci
Broberg-Bouchard
Vinny

This strikes me as what they have right now, Nurse and a bunch of pieces that shouldn't see top pairing ice time.

 

[Soundwave]

Remember when I traded back in the day for Chris Chelios?
Pepperidge farm remembers.

Do the kids still listen to that Alanis Morrisette?

 

[Ibanez]

Do the kids still listen to that Alanis Morrisette?

Hey I mean Jagged little pill was a hell of an album

 

[Soundwave]

Hey I mean Jagged little pill was a hell of an album

That 90s Show is a current events show for Ken Holland.

 

[Paralyzer008]

So how do you convince Nashville to deal Juuse Saros to you?

 

[Oilhawks]

Leafs have more cap space. We have zero cap space. We are running with a short roster for a reason.

Yes, the reason is easily taken care of if they spend some capital to get rid of the problem

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The immature losses continue to mount. This team has squandered away at least 15 points this season in nearly every immature way possible and often against much lesser opponents.

So how do you convince Nashville to deal Juuse Saros to you?

Kidnap Poile’s daughter.

 

[McAsuno]

Yes, the reason is easily taken care of if they spend some capital to get rid of the problem

Exactly! Spend some assets like picks. If a cap-crunched leafs were able to do so, then there's no excuse for Ken Holland not to either. Get off your f***ing ass, Ken Holland.

 

[GMofOilers]

So we play JP 8 mins the last 2 games instead of waiving him and playing shorthanded? I dont get it

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Sure. But SC champs can be so explosive. Case in point. Nuge puts a puck up high to clear zone. Should be good enough. But it ends up being gloved and Manson immediately hits and next thing you know its in our net. Theres not a ton you can do on those, I thought it was a gloved puck, a play forward with glove. Most of the time it gets whistled down and Nuge was motioning for the same.

Lets keep in mind one thing. The Rangers and AV's are also exhibiting that these games matter, and we're at least an interesting opponent and as a purist hockey lover, putting teams aside, this was a great weekend of entertainment. I'm happy anyway that the Oilers team are so often around the most entertaining games that the NHL has anywhere. Sometimes you just have to appreciate the skill on display, and just love hockey. I had no trouble just loving hockey this weekend even though it can be a cruel result sport.

I’m happy that they salvaged points and the games were entertaining but regardless of the opponent it’s inexcusable not to close out those games for wins, I wouldnt say either the Rangers or the Avs came with their top game. That’s gotta be at least half a dozen games this year where they’ve lost a game in which they held multi goal leads. We’re better than that.

 

[McAsuno]

Speculation: - Wild willing to facilitate trades

With wild having 16 mil in cap room, according to Russo, Guerin whose wild gm has let other teams know he's willing to help, or be the 3rd team to facilitate trades in return for picks or prospects ; assets

forums.hfboards.com

Oh? Ol Billy Guerin is fine with being the 3rd team to continue facilitating trades for picks and prospects?



But but but, my cap space is maxed out
Here's a GM you can talk with, Ken Holland.
But then again, his precious picks and prospects matter more instead of shedding salary to make a major move like Karlsson. Ken Holland can't be proactive or assertive to save his pathetic GMing.

 

[Ibanez]

That 90s Show is a current events show for Ken Holland.

I lold at this. Well played

 

[Oilhawks]

Exactly! Spend some assets like picks. If a cap-crunched leafs were able to do so, then there's no excuse for Ken Holland not to either. Get off your f***ing ass, Ken Holland.

Yeah, it’s one excuse that I won’t take right now. It would be entirely different if JP and Yamamoto were actually producing (JP is somewhat lately but not enough). They’re both getting out produced by cheaper players. You can’t run a short roster just to keep deadweight on it

 

[McAsuno]

Yeah, it’s one excuse that I won’t take right now. It would be entirely different if JP and Yamamoto were actually producing (JP is somewhat lately but not enough). They’re both getting out produced by cheaper players. You can’t run a short roster just to keep deadweight on it

Trades can work and happen IF the GM is willing to be assertive and proactive enough to do so.
I swear if a cap crunched Vegas somehow lands Patrick Kane by doing the same thing that Dubas did with ROR, then Ken Holland can f*** off even more.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

So we play JP 8 mins the last 2 games instead of waiving him and playing shorthanded? I dont get it

Holland would rather sacrifice points in the standings than give PJ away for nothing. He is holding out for that 7th round pick in return.

 

[Soundwave]

Ken Holland is just discovering The Sopranos. It'll be a while before he gets into the mid-2000s.

 

[McAsuno]

Ken Holland is just discovering The Sopranos. It'll be a while before he gets into the mid-2000s.

He's still in the attic cleaning up his old accolades because that's all he cares about.
Imagine your legacy having a notable stain because you failed as a GM to win a cup with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl on your team. Get bent, Holland.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The Oilers placed the prime McDrai years in the hands of a GM who doesn’t need to have a care in the world. He’s won the cup, got his retirement $$ contract and he’s already in the HHOF. He has nothing left to accomplish and it shows.

I know I’ll get flamed for this but compare him to someone like Dubas. The tenacity difference is night and day. I certainly don’t love all of Dubas’ moves but you can tell he’s hungry for a cup at all costs. He actually pulls the trigger on big deals every year even if it’s a bit complicated due to the cap. He gets fired up when the leafs lose and you know he’s always watching and assessing where they need to improve. He dumps players that don’t contribute no questions asked. It’s fun to hate the leafs but they ice a very good team every year in a very tough division.

Holland meanwhile allows a coach to get swept in the playoffs like it’s his day job and lose 12 games in a ROW before reluctantly firing him. He refuses to tell complete passengers to take a walk. It is mind blowing that we can’t ice a full lineup but continue to play JP and Yams. At least try waivers and see. That’s 6+ million in wasted in cap.

Holland could very well prove me wrong but I don’t have any faith he’s going to bring this TDL home. I expect another Kulikov type player. Maybe a 1st + for Gavrikov who won’t sign here. You think Holland has the parts / heart to trade someone like Barrie or Bouchard? I’m not sure I do. Holland sure doesn’t seem to grasp ways around the cap either.

He built an okay team I’ll give him that. Not a cup winner though. Unless he finally comes around and adds something that really moves the needle.

 

[McAsuno]

The Oilers placed the prime McDrai years in the hands of a GM who doesn’t need to have a care in the world. He’s won the cup, got his retirement $$ contract and he’s already in the HHOF. He has nothing left to accomplish and it shows.

I know I’ll get flamed for this but compare him to someone like Dubas. The tenacity difference is night and day. I certainly don’t love all of Dubas’ moves but you can tell he’s hungry for a cup at all costs. He actually pulls the trigger on big deals every year even if it’s a bit complicated due to the cap. He gets fired up when the leafs lose and you know he’s always watching and assessing where they need to improve. He dumps players that don’t contribute no questions asked. It’s fun to hate the leafs but they ice a very good team every year in a very tough division.

Holland meanwhile allows a coach to get swept in the playoffs like it’s his day job and lose 12 games in a ROW before reluctantly firing him. He refuses to tell complete passengers to take a walk. It is mind blowing that we can’t ice a full lineup but continue to play JP and Yams. At least try waivers and see. That’s 6+ million in wasted in cap.

Holland could very well prove me wrong but I don’t have any faith he’s going to bring this TDL home. I expect another Kulikov type player. Maybe a 1st + for Gavrikov who won’t sign here. You think Holland has the parts / heart to trade someone like Barrie or Bouchard? I’m not sure I do. Holland sure doesn’t seem to grasp ways around the cap either.

He built an okay team I’ll give him that. Not a cup winner though. Unless he finally comes around and adds something that really moves the needle.

Except you're 100% correct in your post. Anybody trying to flame you is just another typical Ken Holland boot licker like the majority of the Oiler media clowns.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers placed the prime McDrai years in the hands of a GM who doesn’t need to have a care in the world. He’s won the cup, got his retirement $$ contract and he’s already in the HHOF. He has nothing left to accomplish and it shows.

I know I’ll get flamed for this but compare him to someone like Dubas. The tenacity difference is night and day. I certainly don’t love all of Dubas’ moves but you can tell he’s hungry for a cup at all costs. He actually pulls the trigger on big deals every year even if it’s a bit complicated due to the cap. He gets fired up when the leafs lose and you know he’s always watching and assessing where they need to improve. He dumps players that don’t contribute no questions asked. It’s fun to hate the leafs but they ice a very good team every year in a very tough division.

Holland meanwhile allows a coach to get swept in the playoffs like it’s his day job and lose 12 games in a ROW before reluctantly firing him. He refuses to tell complete passengers to take a walk. It is mind blowing that we can’t ice a full lineup but continue to play JP and Yams. At least try waivers and see. That’s 6+ million in wasted in cap.

Holland could very well prove me wrong but I don’t have any faith he’s going to bring this TDL home. I expect another Kulikov type player. Maybe a 1st + for Gavrikov who won’t sign here. You think Holland has the parts / heart to trade someone like Barrie or Bouchard? I’m not sure I do. Holland sure doesn’t seem to grasp ways around the cap either.

He built an okay team I’ll give him that. Not a cup winner though. Unless he finally comes around and adds something that really moves the needle.

Holland hasn't been hungry since the mid-2000s. He got his feelings hurt when the Wings kinda unceremoniously forced him out for Yzerman so he came running here acting like he had something left in the tank, but he's got nothing. No desire, no burning passion for this job.

Say what you want about Kevin Lowe, but that motherf***er you could tell burned for that GM job, he wanted to win so bad and got screwed by a lot of circumstances outside of his control. If you gave him McDavid and Draisaitl to work with he'd be all-in, every year.

 

[Wreckus]

The Oilers placed the prime McDrai years in the hands of a GM who doesn’t need to have a care in the world. He’s won the cup, got his retirement $$ contract and he’s already in the HHOF. He has nothing left to accomplish and it shows.

I know I’ll get flamed for this but compare him to someone like Dubas. The tenacity difference is night and day. I certainly don’t love all of Dubas’ moves but you can tell he’s hungry for a cup at all costs. He actually pulls the trigger on big deals every year even if it’s a bit complicated due to the cap. He gets fired up when the leafs lose and you know he’s always watching and assessing where they need to improve. He dumps players that don’t contribute no questions asked. It’s fun to hate the leafs but they ice a very good team every year in a very tough division.

Holland meanwhile allows a coach to get swept in the playoffs like it’s his day job and lose 12 games in a ROW before reluctantly firing him. He refuses to tell complete passengers to take a walk. It is mind blowing that we can’t ice a full lineup but continue to play JP and Yams. At least try waivers and see. That’s 6+ million in wasted in cap.

Holland could very well prove me wrong but I don’t have any faith he’s going to bring this TDL home. I expect another Kulikov type player. Maybe a 1st + for Gavrikov who won’t sign here. You think Holland has the parts / heart to trade someone like Barrie or Bouchard? I’m not sure I do. Holland sure doesn’t seem to grasp ways around the cap either.

He built an okay team I’ll give him that. Not a cup winner though. Unless he finally comes around and adds something that really moves the needle.

Agreed.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Basically. Though I do think it's somewhat doable. Barrie is a positive asset, and should be movable for a pick/cheap asset coming back. That frees up the space for someone else to come in m


This strikes me as what they have right now, Nurse and a bunch of pieces that shouldn't see top pairing ice time.

Yeah, you're right.
See Nurse as a top pairing, Ceci as a second pairing and everyone else as a 3rd pairing. Almost need a top pairing RD and second pairing LD but think we can get by with just a top pairing RD. Not sold on Karlsson cause he's a high event D and I think we need a low event one. But he's better than not getting one.
Problem with cruddy teams is that I sometimes mistake their top pairing for an actual top pairing D.

 

[McAsuno]

Holland hasn't been hungry since the mid-2000s. He got his feelings hurt when the Wings kinda unceremoniously forced him out for Yzerman so he came running here acting like he had something left in the tank, but he's got nothing. No desire, no burning passion for this job.

Say what you want about Kevin Lowe, but that motherf***er you could tell burned for that GM job, he wanted to win so bad and got screwed by a lot of circumstances outside of his control. If you gave him McDavid and Draisaitl to work with he'd be all-in, every year.

Ken Holland should be thankful his fellow hush money HC buddy in Bob Nicholson hired his ass.
These two jackasses can gtfo the organization any time. As a matter of fact, why the f*** is Nicholson still employed? Conjuring another overpriced and shit food like his burger?

 

[Soundwave]

Ken Holland should be thankful his fellow hush money HC buddy in Bob Nicholson hired his ass.
These two jackasses can gtfo the organization any time. As a matter of fact, why the f*** is Nicholson still employed? Conjuring another overpriced and shit food like his burger?

He was ready to retire lets be honest, it's just Detroit probably pushed him out the door maybe a season earlier than he wanted because they wanted to get on with it and get Yzerman asap.

That hurt Kenny's feelings, but the fact is he's been in semi-retirement mode, now with the Oilers his Nepobaby son is being groomed to be the actual future GM, that's more of Holland's priority, making sure his kid suckers his way into a position he probably isn't qualified for.

 

[McAsuno]

He was ready to retire lets be honest, it's just Detroit probably pushed him out the door maybe a season earlier than he wanted because they wanted to get on with it and get Yzerman asap.

That hurt Kenny's feelings, but the fact is he's been in semi-retirement mode, now with the Oilers his Nepobaby son is being groomed to be the actual future GM, that's more of Holland's priority, making sure his kid suckers his way into a position he probably isn't qualified for.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Wake me up when this moron makes a trade. But then again, it'll probably be a minor one as he uses his but muh cap space as a yearly excuse.