Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Take it easy guys, I was being sarcastic. I’m all for privacy and people minding their own business.

That said I always try to be as offensive in public as I am in private so I don’t have to hide anything.

I figured, but it kinda goes flat in this sitch, sorry yo

 

[belair]

Why don't you guys just actually call it what it is. It's a 4 million salary, that's in the form of a 3+ million cap penalty next season.

For a guy who basically didn't play last year and has never been a star player.

In his last season he actually mostly played he scored 10 goals in 64 games. Which an 82 game pace of 13 goals.

So we paid a guy coming off basically a 13 goal season 4 million dollars.

For a 3+ million cap penalty on next year's cap he better play a major, major role in the playoffs in getting the team to a Conference or Cup Finals, anything less than that is a major failure, because you incurred a huge cap penalty in that case for no good reason.

Not having a Connor Brown is not the reason we lost to Vegas. We lost to Vegas because our D bombed another series against a good opponent and their goaltending completely dominated our horrendous goaltending (.930+ vs .883).

Because the cap hit this season is the only thing that matters this season. When they found out that the cap was only increasing $1m in the off-season, their options became very limited.

$800k is a replacement level player. A healthy Connor Brown is a $4m player. And they're gambling on him being at that level by the time the playoffs start.

We lost the Vegas series because we were the worse team 5v5. We lost because Hyman and Kane being injured crippled our forward depth. Klim Kostin wasn't the guy filling that void in the series either.

 

[Fourier]

There are not enough workers here and many of the ones that are here in your lower end jobs flat out are not good workers for a multitude of reasons. We're talking people that I wouldn't hire to clean toilets or sweep floors. The wages that go up for the average Joe at best neutralizes inflation here and at worst/more common still sees you taking a step back. You can say that the numbers are the numbers, but the reality is that the cost of inflation is outpacing the average Joe's pay here. If someone gets a $1/hr rase but food costs go up 10% and rent goes up by $300/month, etc. how does this exactly work out? Not to mention if you need to buy a vehicle and the interest rates are higher.

Their predictions fwiw are likely shit. They said that it'd take 5 years for tourism to come back after covid. If there's one thing that you should know about Hawaii it's that our government workers in high positions are often crap at their jobs. Their word on paper is worth less to me than TP.

I certainly take your word on the Hawaiian government predictions. Though for what it is worth they also agree with many private sector predictions for the broader US economy and for what we are experiencing here in Canada.

I don't have specific US data for non-union workers but in Canada non-union hourly wages have increased by almost $5 per hour since the beginning of the pandemic from $27.08 per hour up to 31.95%. Add on another 3% or so for this year, which is conservative, and that takes you to $32.91. This is an increase of around just over 20% since the beginning of the pandemic. Net inflation has been around 19%. So since the pandemic real wages are up very modestly. But if we look at starting in 2022 inflation has been a hair over 5% but wages are up about 8%.

Your example of the Average Joe is not actually the average person in the US. In the US since the beginning of the pandemic hourly wages are up on average $5.26 or just under 15%. But yere to year this year they are up 4.9%. So similarly to Canada US wages are accelerating now and wage growth is exceeding current inflation rates.

Now this does not mean that there are not people experiencing exactly what you describe. But they are fewer of them than it might seem. Moreover, the NHL may well not be worrying to much about the guy you call the Average Joe. A study in 2014 had the one third of NHL fans with an income over $100K compared with about 19% of the population earning that amount. That percentage would probably be much higher now. As a league they have traditionally had the highest income fans as compared to the other major sports. For many of these people their wages have outpaced what they spend on basic living costs and they now have more disposable income than they did pre-pandemic.

Again, none of this is to suggest that people are not hurting. Many are. I grew up in a family that barely survived paycheck to paycheck. My parents would have been very hard hit because so much of their money went to basic living expenses like food. The whole series of posts was simply evidence of why it is not likely that current economic circumstances would see NHL revenues decrease.

 

[Fourier]

The real pain is often felt 1+ years after rates start to increase. Something like 8 trillion of low interest rate US govt debt is maturing in the next year, and will need to be reissued at current rates, adding about 300 billion per year in interest payments. Then we will see the trickle down effect to Joe Citizen. How that ends up affecting hockey remains to be seen.

This is true. But it is also true that in Canada we are more quickly sensitive to interest increases than they are in the US because of mortgage rules. We are also less able to simply print our way out of government debt. And yet our economy is still in a positive growth phase. It really has been an unprecedented economic cycle.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Now this does not mean that there are not people experiencing exactly what you describe. But they are fewer of them than it might seem.

I appreciate your reply, but to the quoted this is basically universal here to everyone that we speak to except the ultra rich. This may not be the case elsewhere, but here this is a reality for way too many people and definitely the majority that are full time residents. Now even the wealthy that rely on tourism are getting hit hard and of course as a side effect there will be lots of unemployment.

There has been a big displacement of local people in Hawaii to the US mainland, in particular Nevada, Utah and Washington states due to not being able to make a go here. This is not new but will sadly likely get even worse now.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

This is true. But it is also true that in Canada we are more quickly sensitive to interest increases than they are in the US because of mortgage rules. We are also less able to simply print our way out of government debt. And yet our economy is still in a positive growth phase. It really has been an unprecedented economic cycle.

There are more and more countries going away from the US $. At some point in time this will hit the US hard. I am more fearful of the current economic situation than the one in 2006 or so.

 

[Fourier]

I appreciate your reply, but to the quoted this is basically universal here to everyone that we speak to except the ultra rich. This may not be the case elsewhere, but here this is a reality for way too many people and definitely the majority that are full time residents. Now even the wealthy that rely on tourism are getting hit hard and of course as a side effect there will be lots of unemployment.

There has been a big displacement of local people in Hawaii to the US mainland, in particular Nevada, Utah and Washington states due to not being able to make a go here. This is not new but will sadly likely get even worse now.

Thanks Bryan. I really hope that things get better in Maui. And I was aware of the migration to places like Nevada and Utah. One thing that can happen after some huge disasters is a short to medium term hit that turns around big time when rebuilding starts in earnest. It is possible that if they do try to rebuild Lahaina that you may see a big influx of money into the local economy with construction jobs and other infrastructure investments that may not have been there otherwise. It won't help everyone who have lost everything nor can it replace the historically significant parts of the town, but it may mean at least a few years of more higher paying jobs for some of the young locals who previously had low paying tourism as their primary option.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Thanks Bryan. I really hope that things get better in Maui. And I was aware of the migration to places like Nevada and Utah. One thing that can happen after some huge disasters is a short to medium term hit that turns around big time when rebuilding starts in earnest. It is possible that if they do try to rebuild Lahaina that you may see a big influx of money into the local economy with construction jobs and other infrastructure investments that may not have been there otherwise. It won't help everyone who have lost everything nor can it replace the historically significant parts of the town, but it may mean at least a few years of more higher paying jobs for some of the young locals who previously had low paying tourism as their primary option.

Even in the cleanup there are people getting training to be a part of it to hopefully get decent pay, especially those that lost everything.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

This is true. But it is also true that in Canada we are more quickly sensitive to interest increases than they are in the US because of mortgage rules. We are also less able to simply print our way out of government debt. And yet our economy is still in a positive growth phase. It really has been an unprecedented economic cycle.

A lot of that “positive growth” is built on unprecedented deficit spending by government and ballooning immigration. They’ve managed to skirt a recession in the traditional sense but looking at things like per capita GDP and productivity trends it doesn’t paint a pretty picture, debt levels are concerning, private investment in Canada hasn’t been as strong as it once was and OECD has us pegged as one of the worst performing advanced economies over the coming decades.

It’s a pretty ugly picture in my opinion but as mentioned, groups that are driving NHL revenue aren’t going to be as affected by economic trends and that is shown by the fact that revenue growth has remained relatively consistent even through several downturns.

 

[Zerotonine]

Dave fried(frieddesigns) is a tattoo artist here in calgary

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I remember he had PMed me racial swears before

If this is indeed true why was it not reported? I wouldn't stand for that shit but obviously wouldn't know unless I was told and shown proof.

 

[Green Xero]

I banned him about 4 months ago. I could not see him or his weird takes. All I can say is it about time.

As a lurker, I literally made my account just to ignore him and a couple others..

 

[McTonyBrar]

If this is indeed true why was it not reported? I wouldn't stand for that shit but obviously wouldn't know unless I was told and shown proof.

That's completely understood but I didn't want to seem dramatic etc lol so I left it at that. It was a long time ago so its fine lol

 

[Darkwinter]

I miss the days when people talked hockey on this site and did not make it a Jerry Springer episode.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

That's completely understood but I didn't want to seem dramatic etc lol so I left it at that. It was a long time ago so its fine lol

No it's not fine. If you're calling someone racist and bringing up situations here where you say that there was an incident then back it up or it's considered libel.

 

[McTonyBrar]

No it's not fine. If you're calling someone racist and bringing up situations here where you say that there was an incident then back it up or it's considered libel.

Understood

 

[bellagiobob]

I miss the days when people talked hockey on this site and did not make it a Jerry Springer episode.

Before my time, I've only been here since 2006.

 

[Senor Catface]

Before my time, I've only been here since 2006.

haha, I was going to say the same thing.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Oof. I feel bad for Sens fans.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Listening to the latest Spittin Chiclets episode and based on his description of the unamed friend that sent him the text messages, Biz's source for the story sounds like it could have very well been Tyson Barrie.

 

[joestevens29]

Listening to the latest Spittin Chiclets episode and based on his description of the unamed friend that sent him the text messages, Biz's source for the story sounds like it could have very well been Tyson Barrie.

Speaking of Chiclets, Bieksa and Chelios on today.

Be interesting to hear Chelios as I believe he was on Missin Curfew not that long ago and had an interesting story on Babcock and the heritage classic

 

[iCanada]

Listening to the latest Spittin Chiclets episode and based on his description of the unamed friend that sent him the text messages, Biz's source for the story sounds like it could have very well been Tyson Barrie.

Good guy Tyson.

Also good God some of the Babcock stories are horrendous.

Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

I’m not even that old. I’m 38 and it’s shocking to me how little those younger than me care about privacy. It’s utterly shocking at times. You're gonna love the next 10-20 years lmao.

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Oof. I feel bad for Sens fans.

But he ran Edmonton, and advised St Louis so well

 

[Despote]

No thread for training camp? Doesn't it start tiday?