Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Apparently Bourgault is looking good and has bulked up a bit.

https://x.com/TonyBrarOTV/status/1701653653944467465?s=20

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

and? did the season finish that way?

No, we finished second in the division. If we didn't shit the bed in late 2022 we probably would've won the division and who knows from there.

But in hockey when you fall behind in the standings it's difficult to make up ground. We had to go on a crazy run just to keep LA in the rearview mirror.

This team should make the playoffs but anything can happen and if Campbell starts painting his crease brown again we are in serious trouble.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

My bad. I didnt realize the expectations for the Oilers is to be the Jets.

and you think Tatar will automatically makes the Oilers super consistent from game 1?

I guess my point is there will ups and downs all season long and Tatar isn't the missing piece IMO

No, we finished second in the division. If we didn't shit the bed in late 2022 we probably would've won the division and who knows from there.

But in hockey when you fall behind in the standings it's difficult to make up ground. We had to go on a crazy run just to keep LA in the rearview mirror.

and Vegas had to go a crazy run just to keep us from their rearview mirror

This team should make the playoffs but anything can happen and if Campbell starts painting his crease brown again we are in serious trouble.

you could literally say this about any team out there lol

 

[Oilhawks]

Not worth worrying about a signing they couldn’t afford.

Tatar isn’t saving the Avs from the depth they’ve bled since the Cup win

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Tatar is no missing cog but damn hes a "nice to have"

 

[FlameChampion]

and you think Tatar will automatically makes the Oilers super consistent from game 1?

I guess my point is there will ups and downs all season long and Tatar isn't the missing piece IMO


and Vegas had to go a crazy run just to keep us from their rearview mirror


you could literally say this about any team out there lol

No. I think you’re misinterpreting what I am saying.

I think Tatar at 1.5m makes any team better. Regardless of what You think of his playoff performance, you still need players to get you to the playoffs.

He simply would help the team at 1.5 imo. I said it’s not that big of a deal, it’s not like he is make or break for the Oilers lol. But signing Tatar for 1.5m is a good deal. (We couldn’t afford him anyway without a trade).

 

[oobga]

Hate this annoying player, and it will be extra annoying if he works out in Vegas. Eakins may have struck again and created a gift for the Knights.

 

[CupofOil]

Cause Kenny sucks balls at negotiating. And I don’t mind Kenny, but cmon, he sucks at negotiating. He can barely put together 2 clean sentences, let alone put together a coherent argument for someone to sign and stay with the Oilers.

I think this needs to be repeated as it has been many times about Larsson. Larsson DID NOT want to play in Edmonton so I'm not sure why Holland gets the blame for that and then signed Ceci to a decent deal to replace Larsson, a player that did as well as Larsson did here in his 1st season. What Larsson did last year in Seattle is far and beyond anything he did here. Maybe he just wasn't happy here, not put in the proper role or whatever, but Larsson took off last season to a completely different height and it doesn't matter anyway because.....he didn't want to be in Edmonton.

There are things to blame Holland for but the Larsson/Ceci situation is NOT one of them.

 

[Anarchism]

Hate this annoying player, and it will be extra annoying if he works out in Vegas. Eakins may have struck again and created a gift for the Knights.

Holland won't but he could still contact Max's agent

 

[K1984]

Hate this annoying player, and it will be extra annoying if he works out in Vegas. Eakins may have struck again and created a gift for the Knights.

That's until there are reasons I won't mention that will make him ineligible to play for a while in short order.

There are only two possible reasons that he could only get a PTO from a team this late in the year:

1) His agent is dumb and had his value way off creating this outcome

2) The reasons I won't mention

 

[TheNumber4]

I think this needs to be repeated as it has been many times about Larsson. Larsson DID NOT want to play in Edmonton so I'm not sure why Holland gets the blame for that and then signed Ceci to a decent deal to replace Larsson, a player that did as well as Larsson did here in his 1st season. What Larsson did last year in Seattle is far and beyond anything he did here. Maybe he just wasn't happy here, not put in the proper role or whatever, but Larsson took off last season to a completely different height and it doesn't matter anyway because.....he didn't want to be in Edmonton.

There are things to blame Holland for but the Larsson/Ceci situation is NOT one of them.

People say this like it was a foregone conclusion that Larsson was gone. That’s not how it went down. He was considering resigning with the Oilers. Kenny sat down with him mid-season on a Plane, during a road trip, and tried to convince him to stay. Larsson did not say no. Larsson considered it for months and months. Up until the final hour, there was still a possibility he would sign. And that possibility was realistic. After Seattle GM got in his ear, and conducted a counter negotiation, his fate was sealed.

Yes, his Dad passed as an Oiler and he didnt have a good time here. There was plenty of personal reasons why Larsson would lean away from signing with the Oilers. All reasonable reasons too. But this doesn’t change the fact, that Kenny had an opportunity to negotiate an extension and Kenny couldn’t get the job done.

 

[McDoused]

Apparently Bourgault is looking good and has bulked up a bit.

https://x.com/TonyBrarOTV/status/1701653653944467465?s=20

Obviously this is the time of the year where everyone looks good and we read too much into things. Having said that, how good does this team look if guys like Bourgault, Holloway and Lavoie play their way into the lineup? We could roll four really good lines:

RNH-McDavid-Brown
Kane-Draisaitl-Bourgault
Hyman-McLeod-Lavoie
Foegele-Holloway-Janmark

 

[Perfect_Drug]

No, we finished second in the division. If we didn't shit the bed in late 2022 we probably would've won the division and who knows from there.

But in hockey when you fall behind in the standings it's difficult to make up ground. We had to go on a crazy run just to keep LA in the rearview mirror.

This team should make the playoffs but anything can happen and if Campbell starts painting his crease brown again we are in serious trouble.

We beat LA in our back to back is how we pulled ahead of them, but we literally went 2 months without losing once in regulation.

Edmonton Vegas and LA were all absolutely torching the league on the back half of the season and (outside of Boston) were the 3 strongest teams in the league.


Shouldn't be a shock one of those 3 teams won the cup.

 

[CupofOil]

People say this like it was a foregone conclusion that Larsson was gone. That’s not how it went down. He was considering resigning with the Oilers. Kenny sat down with him mid-season on a Plane, during a road trip, and tried to convince him to stay. Larsson did not say no. Larsson considered it for months and months. Up until the final hour, there was still a possibility he would sign. And that possibility was realistic. After Seattle GM got in his ear, and conducted a counter negotiation, his fate was sealed.

Yes, his Dad passed as an Oiler and he didnt have a good time here. There was plenty of personal reasons why Larsson would lean away from signing with the Oilers. All reasonable reasons too. But this doesn’t change the fact, that Kenny had an opportunity to negotiate an extension and Kenny couldn’t get the job done.

LArsson said himself that he needed a fresh start.
Again I'll repeat, Larsson himself said that he wanted a fresh start. You're arguing against actual facts that came from the mouth of the man himself including every insider that said he wanted to be elsewhere.

Again, there is nothing Holland could have done. He even offered more money but it was turned down because..... Larsson wanted to be elsewhere.

 

[TheNumber4]

LArsson said himself that he needed a fresh start.
Again I'll repeat, Larsson himself said that he wanted a fresh start. You're arguing against actual facts that came from the mouth of the man himself including every insider that said he wanted to be elsewhere.

Again, there is nothing Holland could have done. He even offered more money but it was turned down because..... Larsson wanted to be elsewhere.

He said after the fact. After Seattles GM had counter negotiated the offer Kenny sent him that Larsson was considering. He considered both offers, both negotiations, he chose Seattle.

 

[CupofOil]

He said after the fact. After Seattles GM had counter negotiated the offer Kenny sent him that Larsson was considering. He considered both offers, both negotiations, he chose Seattle.

No, he did not want to be in Edmonton, no "offers" would have changed that and as stated he turned down more money to choose Seattle because... he wanted a fresh start. Come on man don't take the Duul approach and start moving goal posts when facts are presented to you, just take the L. This isn't a debate, you're just flat out wrong on this.

There are things to blame Holland for. Larsson wanting to go elsewhere, as said by Larsson himself, is NOT one of them.

 

[McSuper]

Tatar is no missing cog but damn hes a "nice to have"

Not really. We need a few defensively responsible players. Our offence is enough.

 

[TheNumber4]

No, he did not want to be in Edmonton, no "offers" would have changed that. He wanted a fresh start. Come on man don't take the Duul approach and start moving goal posts when facts are presented to you, just take the L.

There are things to blame Holland for. Larsson wanting to go elsewhere, as said by Larsson himself, is NOT one of them.

Those aren’t the facts though, no matter how many times you say it. There was possibility he would have signed here. A slim one sure, cause of the circumstances, but it was still there. Otherwise, why did Kenny negotiate with him over a period of half a year? Why was this market of Oilers fans almost certain of his extension up until the final hour? Why did Kenny start with an initial offer, then up the offer during the negotiation? Why were we all surprised when Seattle swooped in and got the contract done before Larsson even hit UFA.

Larsson wanted to see what was out there after Kenny tried to negotiate a deal. He didn’t outright say no. Larsson heard what Kenny had to say, considered it, wasn’t convinced (surprise surprise), so he kept his options open. Seattles GM came in and woo’d Larsson away.

 

[bobbythebrain]

He said after the fact. After Seattles GM had counter negotiated the offer Kenny sent him that Larsson was considering. He considered both offers, both negotiations, he chose Seattle.

This isn't true. Kenny was trying to negotiate for almost the whole year. His agent said Larsson wanted to cut all discussions. He damn well knew he was looking to leave

 

[TheNumber4]

This isn't true. Kenny was trying to negotiate for almost the whole year. His agent said Larsson wanted to cut all discussions. He damn well knew he was looking to leave

Trying to and did. That’s why multiple offers were thrown Larsson’s way. Kenny even outlined his negotiation process in an interview. Both sides talked throughout the year, they talked a lot. Larssons agent eventually said they’d keep their options open, and did that just that. So Kenny had his chance, Larsson wasn’t convinced, Larsson hit the market, and another GM was able to convince him, something Kenny couldn’t do, despite trying hard to.

 

[CupofOil]

Those aren’t the facts though, no matter how many times you say it. There was possibility he would have signed here. A slim one sure, cause of the circumstances, but it was still there. Otherwise, why did Kenny negotiate with him over a period of half a year? Why was this market of Oilers fans almost certain of his extension up until the final hour? Why did Kenny start with an initial offer, then up the offer during the negotiation? Why were we all surprised when Seattle swooped in and got the contract done before Larsson even hit UFA.

Larsson wanted to see what was out there after Kenny tried to negotiate a deal. He didn’t outright say no. Larsson heard what Kenny had to say, considered it, wasn’t convinced (surprise surprise), so he kept his options open. Seattles GM came in and woo’d Larsson away.

I didn't say it, Larsson did lol.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Remember in November when we weren't even in a playoff spot?

Well lucky for them the calendar doesn’t go straight from November to April.

People say this like it was a foregone conclusion that Larsson was gone. That’s not how it went down. He was considering resigning with the Oilers. Kenny sat down with him mid-season on a Plane, during a road trip, and tried to convince him to stay. Larsson did not say no. Larsson considered it for months and months. Up until the final hour, there was still a possibility he would sign. And that possibility was realistic. After Seattle GM got in his ear, and conducted a counter negotiation, his fate was sealed.

Yes, his Dad passed as an Oiler and he didnt have a good time here. There was plenty of personal reasons why Larsson would lean away from signing with the Oilers. All reasonable reasons too. But this doesn’t change the fact, that Kenny had an opportunity to negotiate an extension and Kenny couldn’t get the job done.

Just so I understand, what you’re saying is that Holland was trying to re-sign Larsson right up until he told them he wouldn’t re-sign and they left him unprotected in the expansion draft. But your assertion is that Larsson was willing to agree to an extension earlier in the year? I’m just curious how you would be privy to that information?

My guess as a complete moron who knows nothing is that Larsson was likely non committal towards an extension during the season and probably communicated to Holland his apprehensions about remaining in Edmonton but did not completely close the door on extending as he probably wanted to get a feel as to what his other options were going to be. I’m sure Holland probably asked for an answer before the team had to submit their expansion list so they would know where to protect him. At that point I’m guessing he either said I’m still not sure or flat out told them know so they allowed him to discuss with Seattle early in order to ensure Seattle would take him as their pick from Edmonton.

That’s how I believe it all shook out. I don’t believe for one minute that Holland had the opportunity to get Larsson to put pen to paper and didn’t get it done for whatever reason. I think the more likely story is that Lars was non committal right up until the moment Holland absolutely had to have an answer.

 

[TheNumber4]

I didn't say it, Larsson did lol.

Yeh he said it after considering Kenny’s negotiation and rejecting it. Of course he’s saying shit like that after taking another teams offer over ours.

 

[CupofOil]

Yeh he said it after considering Kenny’s negotiation and rejecting it. Of course he’s saying shit like that after taking another teams offer over ours.

Or maybe he's saying shit like that because....he really wanted a fresh start. I know, crazy thought.
You're just adding your own interpretation as an excuse to criticize Holland.

 

[Arpeggio]

Yeh he said it after considering Kenny’s negotiation and rejecting it. Of course he’s saying shit like that after taking another teams offer over ours.

Were you expecting him to say it before he left, while he was still on the team?