You also love him cause he has similar views as you do
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You also love him cause he has similar views as you do
bobbythebrain
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They also chose to dump him, as did several teams. I see you conveniently left that out tho
Also, how many games have you seen him play again? I seem to recall you just blasting someone for ignorance
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Holland has traded at the deadline for Mike Green, Dmitri kulikov, and Brett Kulak to strengthen the D.
Letting go Broberg and bringing in a quality vet for the third pair right now would plug a hole and have someone to share with Desi as he grows. Kulak babysits less. The third pair can play a few more minutes per game and Nurse/Ceci a few less. Might make a lot of difference.
Trade Broberg for Kovy today.
And save one of the two larger trades we may have to make for the deadline.
Letting go Broberg and bringing in a quality vet for the third pair right now would plug a hole and have someone to share with Desi as he grows. Kulak babysits less. The third pair can play a few more minutes per game and Nurse/Ceci a few less. Might make a lot of difference.
Trade Broberg for Kovy today.
And save one of the two larger trades we may have to make for the deadline.
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I’ve seen him play enough games to know that a Nurse-DeAngelo pairing would be real good, as Nurse knows he must be the offensive and breakout partner on that pairing which he isn’t suited for. Him giving DeAngelo that puck and relegating himself to focus on shutdown and defensive positioning coupled with his athletic talent would make him a formidable player finally.
We’ve let numerous good players go due to cap constraints.the fact they brought him back in speaks volumes of the player.
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upgrading Ceci makes a difference. Upgrading a 7th dman does not. Chess...not checkers
duul
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Every player makes a difference. Tell me Desharnais as a 6th/7th didn’t MAKE A DIFFERENCE in the playoffs where his blunders let to quite a few goals against.
What a silly post. Cam Talbot was excellent in that season and one of the work horse goalies in the league getting an incredible workload while also having twins at home that were born that season.
The Oilers rode Talbot Hard that season and playoffs.
I know you hate citations and actual information but this article says more about what occurred than you do;
Are the Oilers overworking Cam Talbot?
Cam Talbot is a vital part of the Edmonton Oilers. He's been great sin...oilersnation.com
The Oilers not only gave Talbot inordinate work, he got as many games as ANY other goalie had in a season in that decade.
But here you are pissing on him saying he was ass.
I’ll leave it to you to go look at his numbers in Game 3 and 4 of the Ducks series. I know you like blowing time searching the web for “citations” so I’ll let you find that one.
I’ll await the thesis in response attempting to move the goal posts and attempting to refute something I never even said.
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Desi got walked/outplayed numerous times against Vegas. It is a smaller hole. We have only so much cap. We have Holland for a GM. You have to work within the constraints you have. Replacing Ceci likely a deadline move.
And just maybe Ceci with a little less time and a little better health recovers to be a decent enough player. However i did want to trade him last deadline for Andrew Peeke. Someone here thinks we should cough up enough assets to go after Neal Poink -- maybe that could be an option where if we have some rookie forward development that Foegele/Janmark/Ryan can go in the offseason and we could attempt to resign Poink.
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But your premise of that Talbot season was on two games? You were the one confronting that the "Revision of the 2017 Talbot season is funny." Thats what you wrote.
I'll look at the body of work being solid that season and playoffs. If you want to look at just two games thats up to you, but it doesn't support your claim.
What a silly post. Cam Talbot was excellent in that season and one of the work horse goalies in the league getting an incredible workload while also having twins at home that were born that season.
The Oilers rode Talbot Hard that season and playoffs.
I know you hate citations and actual information but this article says more about what occurred than you do;
Are the Oilers overworking Cam Talbot?
Cam Talbot is a vital part of the Edmonton Oilers. He's been great sin...
The Oilers not only gave Talbot inordinate work, he got as many games as ANY other goalie had in a season in that decade.
But here you are pissing on him saying he was ass.
Oilers made a mistake in dumping Talbot like that and betting it all on Koskinen (lol).
Talbot was terrible his last year here (30 some games) and he needed to own that and take all the flak for it, but he did prove in the 3 seasons prior that he was a solid NHL goalie, .908, .919, and .917 are not bad numbers especially behind an inexperienced team without a stud no.1 D. Overall he had 4 or 5 solid NHL seasons under his belt.
He was also fantastic in the 2017 playoffs, we probably lose in round 1 without him.
I don't give leeway where it's unearned, but I think he earned more respect than to be treated like that. He was pretty easily in the early half of the McDavid era the most important Oiler player outside of McDrai and we turfed him for some KHL goalie because of a bad half season.
True you probably needed to bring in another goalie because the Oilers were playing Talbot to death, but instead they bring in Koskinen to be Talbot's replacement and pay him $4.5 million on zero track record.
My claim was he sucked in the Ducks series and was particularly bad in Game 3 and 4, both of which were obviously pivotal.
I have made no other claim. That’s just your conjecture, as usual.
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LMAO. That "real impressive team" you're slobbering over is just slightly better than the Oilers the last few years in playoff success. So what's so impressive again?
While you dump on Holland and the Oilers you salivate over a team who has traded and brought back DeAngelo, traded for Ethan Bear, traded for Gardiner, traded for Puljujarvi,. You also have bad moves in Mrazek, Ghost,
Also, the mother of all stupidity....Koktianemi
Yet some how you can't stop gushing over how "brilliant" the Canes are and how sh**y the Oilers are
That "real hockey talk" never disappoints
Quality vet
Trade Broberg for a player who’s played one season in the NHL at a third pairing level.
Terrible…
The Kotkaniemi offer sheet was particularly egregious as you mention. Basically a ridiculous marketing gimmick.
If a GM did that here they would get justifiably crucified.
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The fanbase did too. Goalies are so often the focal point of fan wrath. Even when we have a guy that was clearly very capable, and as you say having demonstrated that across a few seasons body of work.
I think some of the Talbot scrutiny was due perhaps from fan frustration at how many prior duds we had in net.
But the fans got their wish and Talbot was deposed. Careful what you wish for category as we haven't had a better goalie or anything close since.
I agree that Talbot was an important player here and in our core. But the fans turned on him. A lot of people here turned on Hall two. Its an odd fanbase that way.
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And did really well and has had games with Winnipeg as well and has a set of intangibles we need.
Do you know the player. I do and have followed him. Love the backstory as i can relate.
What do you know about him?
Game 4 he was OK. Larsson killed us in OT with stupid turn over while playing the left side for some reason when Klefbom was already there.
That he’s not worth Broberg straight up and would be one of those all time bad deals LMAO.
Basing off INTANGIBLES. The comedy continues hahahahahaha
You’re basing it off how you don’t like Broberg and like this other guy cause grit. If that isn’t a recipe for a turd of a deal, then I don’t know what is.
I’d much rather trade Broberg for a more significant piece than some guy having nostalgia for his good ol days of playing in some obscure beer league.
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Have to agree. The way Holloway and Broberg were handled last year was terrible .
Holloway made a mistake on his first shift and pretty much played 6 mins until he got injured.
Some games Broberg was getting 2.5 mins.
These guys have to be put in a position to succeed like Bouchard was after Barrie was traded. The Oilers are a significantly better team if Holloway and Broberg pan out.
If Broberg can turn into a top 4 dman by the trade deadline, it would be massive for the Oilers. I would pair him Ekholm to start the year so we at least have an idea on what we have in him.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Holloway spend some time with Draisaitl or McDavid and spread out the talent and ice time across the top 9.
I don’t know why they were handled the way they were last year. I don’t know if its the GM, coach or leadership core. But I hope its different this year.
Drivesaitl
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I quoted your claim verbatim. You claimed that the views on talbots 2017 season were revionist.
What was your opinion on Cam Talbots entire body of work that season?
Most pundits think he was heroic in net that season and the workhorse goalie of the entire league.
Yes Game 4 was better than Game 3. He let in a few untimely shaky ones in Game 2 (I think this is the one) as well, but we scored our way out of it.
You quoted it, but then argued against something I never even said and are now fishing for something to fight over.
Conjecture, as usual.
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You do realize this is draft +4 for Broberg and he couldn't get any playing time away from Desi right.
Broberg is more in the suspect territory than prospect territory right now. He is not pushing the envelope.
How many cups of coffee did he get this past year?
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Oh typical Duul, leaving out details. Carolina paid him 6.1mil, a first and a 3rd
Brown only cost 4mil..no assets
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