Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[McShogun99]

Campbell will be fine. His resume screams average starter and solid split starter. These two splitting starts 50/50 and even giving a third string a bit of a look is a fine position for the team through the regular season.


This wasn't the point of the discussion. Pittsburgh making the gamble made sense. From Edmonton's perspective, it could've resulted in Draisaitl and McDavid signing elsewhere once their contracts ended.

I wanted nothing to do with Karlsson unless San Jose was retaining 40-50% and the acquisition cost was minimal. He’s not the right Dman for this team to win a cup.

 

[VainGretzky]

It seems more negative in here lately than it was during the dark days, We have not won yet but the team is very fun to watch and the offense is a treat to watch night in and night out, I am not going to cry over the past and what did not happen. And we all know even if they win the cup the same culprits will hijack every thread on the ones we didn't

 

[GOilers88]

Because they're a bunch of losers and quitters.

Remember when the Oilers were going nowhere and missed the playoffs in 2018? And we hired Ken Hitchcock?

If Hitchcock was a hard, hard-ass (instead of a retired grandpa in his cuddly phase) and implemented a system where the team had an incredible goals against in the regular season, half the team had career years, skyrocketed from out of the playoffs to no.1 in the division, while still allowing McDavid to score 120+ points with a +64 rating and Draisaitl also was top 10 in scoring ...

Do you think McDavid and Draisaitl would turn around and cry that Hitchcock was too meanie pants?

No. They would love that if that happened. They would kill to have that happen back then. Because they're not a bunch of losers like that Flames core is.

If if if if if

 

[Soundwave]

You’re way overrating that 2017 defence squad. That group couldn’t move the puck to save their lives. Talbot was good that one year, then he showed what he was for most of his career, mediocre.



Campbells resume screams fringe starter more than average starter.

Talbot's played in three playoffs (I'm not going to count the two years where he played like 1 game each as a back up in spot duty).

Oilers 16-17 playoffs (13 games) .924 save percentage
Flames 19-20 playoffs (10 games) .924 save percentage
Minnesota 20-21 (7 games) .923 save percentage

That's pretty darn solid. I'd have taken Talbot over Skinner or Campbell in the playoffs last year no questions asked. We made a mistake in dumping this guy and choosing Koskinen, Justin Schwartz is a freaking moron who can't coach goaltending.

 

[Soundwave]

If if if if if

More like quit quit quit quit

What a bunch of babies that Flames group is. Dude comes in on a team going nowhere, with a 5'8 "franchise player" who was sliding into career mediocrity, a team missing the playoffs, and within a few months gives them their best regular season in 30+ years, 2nd best season in franchise history after 1989 (the year they actually won something), half the team has sky high career years and cash in on massive contract extensions because of it and all they can do is f***ing whine and cry like a bunch of bitches that Sutter was mean to them at a video session one time where they probably deserved it.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Campbells resume screams fringe starter more than average starter.

Say that as many times as you like but in 18 career playoff games Jack Campbell has a .920 SV%.

During the 2022-23 playoffs he had a .961 SV%.

Over his career during 171 regular season games Campbell has a .910 SV%.

I like Jack Campbell's style of goaltending, he finally accumulated a meaningful amount of experience at the NHL level.

With an improved defensive scheme in front of Campbell he'll take the starters job away from Skinner. He'll pop off like Adin Hill.

 

[Soundwave]

Say that as many times as you like but in 18 career playoff games Jack Campbell has a .920 SV%.

During the 2022-23 playoffs he had a .961 SV%.

Over his career during 171 regular season games Campbell has a .910 SV%.

I like Jack Campbell's style of goaltending, now he finally accumulated a meaning amount of experience at the NHL level.

With an improved defensive scheme in front of Campbell he'll take the starters job away from Skinner. He'll pop off like Adin Hill.

I don't see it with either of these guys. Campbell has more athletic talent but mentally doesn't have it and falls apart when ever he faces adversity.

The next GM is probably the one who will have to fix this with a gun to his head.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I don't see it with either of these guys. Campbell has more athletic talent but mentally doesn't have it.

The next GM is probably the one who will have to fix this with a gun to his head.

Wrong. Campbell has the disposition to make the NHL his bitch.

 

[Soundwave]

Wrong. Campbell has the disposition to make the NHL his bitch.

More like go into a slump because the Subway sandwich store got his order wrong but he didn't want to speak up and correct it, lol.

The huge red flag on this guy should've been that he was playing so bad at one point the Leafs had to basically send him home and tell him to take a vacation and focus on himself during the season.

How many times does that ever happen to a player?

Look he's a nice guy off the rink I'm sure and yada yada yada, but this league will chew you up and spit you out if you aren't mentally tough.

 

[TheNumber4]

Talbot's played in three playoffs (I'm not going to count the two years where he played like 1 game each as a back up in spot duty).

Oilers 16-17 playoffs (13 games) .924 save percentage
Flames 19-20 playoffs (10 games) .924 save percentage
Minnesota 20-21 (7 games) .923 save percentage

That's pretty darn solid. I'd have taken Talbot over Skinner or Campbell in the playoffs last year no questions asked. We made a mistake in dumping this guy and choosing Koskinen, Justin Schwartz is a freaking moron who can't coach goaltending.

I mean anyone is better Kosko. But with how Talbot finished with us, he was never going to recover here. Mentally broken, couldn’t stop the first shot. The fanbase was done with him, and he was done with our lack of D. Yeh Schwartz sucks.

 

[Soundwave]

Here's a list by the way of top Oiler goalies by season in the McDavid era (20 games played minimum):

Smith 20-21: .923 save percentage (should be noted this was the Cdn division year)
Talbot 16-17: .919 (73 gp ... jeez Todd ever heard of a back up goalie?)
Talbot 15-16: .917 (56 gp)
Koskinen 19-20: .917 (38 gp)
Smith 21-22: .915 (28 gp)
Skinner 22-23: .914 (50 gp)
Talbot 17-18: .908 (67 gp)
Koskinen 18-19: .906 (55 gp)

 

[Broberg Speed]

More like go into a slump because the Subway sandwich store got his order wrong but he didn't want to speak up and correct it, lol.

The huge red flag on this guy should've been that he was playing so bad at one point the Leafs had to basically send him home and tell him to take a vacation and focus on himself during the season.

How many times does that ever happen to a player?

Look he's a nice guy off the rink I'm sure and yada yada yada, but this league will chew you up and spit you out if you aren't mentally tough.

I never said he was a nice guy. He's squirrelly af. The best goaltenders all have very odd personalities. Jack Campbell could become the next Dwayne Roloson.

 

[Soundwave]

I never said he was a nice guy. He's squirrelly. The best goaltenders all have very odd personalities. Jack Campbell could become the next Dwayne Roloson.

Nah, Roloson is like Smith, they both had a swagger, Campbell has none of that.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Why don't you wait and watch? Stop acting so squirrelly.

 

[OilerTyler]

After trading for Ekholm, Karlsson makes very little sense for the Oilers. But Dubas DID steal Karlssson. He barely even paid a 1st. You take the 3 cap dumps that he dumped on the Sharks for free, that’s worth more than the 1st Dubas gave up. Grier got fleeced. Dubas pulled off a great trade for the Pens.

I think what people are forgetting is that Karlsson was a huge negative value asset before last season and could easily become one again. Even what he accomplished last season would never translate to a competitive team. The guy was out there playing shinny. It was one of the worst defensive seasons I've ever witnessed and I've been an Oilers fan my whole life. Any team with something to play for (other than trying to get Karlsson 100 points) wouldn't allow him to play that way.

The Oilers themselves are a team that needs to focus on keeping more pucks out of their net. Acquiring a defensemen that can't play defence and would play huge minutes is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. Anyone who thinks Karlsson would've been a good move for the Oilers just wants change for the sake of change. It doesn't make sense. Holland was smart to acquire Ekholm instead.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[Nerish]

Never seen so many people cry about a great team. Can’t wait for the season to start to drown them out lmao.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers aren't going to be picking in the 1st round for probably a long time. We don't have a ton of player currency to trade with, 1st round picks being traded are going to have to be used to get the team to where it has a legit shot to actually win. 2024 1st is a goner, probably 2025 1st also.

Just the way it goes.

At this point I'm done with draft picks anyway. If this team was ever going to draft someone that wasn't a slam dunk top 3 pick who turned out to be some kind of real difference maker, it would have happened at some point in the last 8-9 years after a mountain's worth of draft picks spent. They just can't draft for shit, maybe this new guy can but he's not gonna be picking in the 1st round for a while, so good luck buddy.

 

[alphahelix]

I mean anyone is better Kosko. But with how Talbot finished with us, he was never going to recover here. Mentally broken, couldn’t stop the first shot. The fanbase was done with him, and he was done with our lack of D. Yeh Schwartz sucks.

The fan base has been “done” with a lot of great players for no reason. They’re dumb as shit. I wouldn’t make any decisions based on that.

 

[Mr Positive]

The Oilers aren't going to be picking in the 1st round for probably a long time. We don't have a ton of player currency to trade with, 1st round picks being traded are going to have to be used to get the team to where it has a legit shot to actually win. 2024 1st is a goner, probably 2025 1st also.

Just the way it goes.

At this point I'm done with draft picks anyway. If this team was ever going to draft someone that wasn't a slam dunk top 3 pick who turned out to be some kind of real difference maker, it would have happened at some point in the last 8-9 years after a mountain's worth of draft picks spent. They just can't draft for shit, maybe this new guy can but he's not gonna be picking in the 1st round for a while, so good luck buddy.

Holland has shown a willingness to keep 1st rounders. I do see reason to think that would change, to boost the team leading up to the end of our superstar contracts. But just think of it this way: what if this team didn't have Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault? What if we didn't have Skinner? Would this team be one that Drai or McDavid would want to stick around for? No

There needs to be a balance of "win now" and future outlook. Only a team on the verge of imploding like Pittsburgh can truly afford to go all in. Our team can ride our current youth movement for a couple seasons maybe but at some point we need to restock. Hopefully we can find diamonds in the rough like Petrov or score some UFA prospects

 

[duul]

Holland has shown a willingness to keep 1st rounders. I do see reason to think that would change, to boost the team leading up to the end of our superstar contracts. But just think of it this way: what if this team didn't have Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault? What if we didn't have Skinner? Would this team be one that Drai or McDavid would want to stick around for? No

There needs to be a balance of "win now" and future outlook. Only a team on the verge of imploding like Pittsburgh can truly afford to go all in. Our team can ride our current youth movement for a couple seasons maybe but at some point we need to restock. Hopefully we can find diamonds in the rough like Petrov or score some UFA prospects

NHL players do not give a f*** about which rookies they have playing in the AHL or healthy scratched on their club.

They would have far preferred those picks being moved for guys like Ekholm who help them try and win a championship now.

 

[Sra1974]

NHL players do not give a f*** about which rookies they have playing in the AHL or healthy scratched on their club.

They would have far preferred those picks being moved for guys like Ekholm who help them try and win a championship now.

Yeah the guys mentioned were drafted when the Oilers should’ve still been drafting their picks to help the team. At this point anybody you drafted in the next couple of years is likely to be inconsequential to what you are trying to achieve. Which I strongly believe is - win a cup in the next two seasons and convince Leon and Connor to stay. To that end you are going all in to achieve it.

 

[duul]

Yeah the guys mentioned were drafted when the Oilers should’ve still been drafting their picks to help the team. At this point anybody you drafted in the next couple of years is likely to be inconsequential to what you are trying to achieve. Which I strongly believe is - win a cup in the next two seasons and convince Leon and Connor to stay. To that end you are going all in to achieve it.

I hope we don’t go through the same mistake we made with Yamo and Pulju.

Broberg should have been moved a year ago. If he still hasn’t figured it out early this year you have to look at moving him for real help before his value is 0 like those guys. I’m higher on Holloway and Bourgault at the moment but again, we need to bolster our D NOW — everyone should be on the table no exceptions.

 

[FlameChampion]

Holland has shown a willingness to keep 1st rounders. I do see reason to think that would change, to boost the team leading up to the end of our superstar contracts. But just think of it this way: what if this team didn't have Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault? What if we didn't have Skinner? Would this team be one that Drai or McDavid would want to stick around for? No

There needs to be a balance of "win now" and future outlook. Only a team on the verge of imploding like Pittsburgh can truly afford to go all in. Our team can ride our current youth movement for a couple seasons maybe but at some point we need to restock. Hopefully we can find diamonds in the rough like Petrov or score some UFA prospects

I think Stauffer is right. I think it will be traded.

Pretty sure Holland has said that the team needs to be a top 8-10 team before he trades a first pick.

I think we will see it traded. I don’t know whos a target on the right side though.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I hope we don’t go through the same mistake we made with Yamo and Pulju.

Broberg should have been moved a year ago. If he still hasn’t figured it out early this year you have to look at moving him for real help before his value is 0 like those guys. I’m higher on Holloway and Bourgault at the moment but again, we need to bolster our D NOW — everyone should be on the table no exceptions.

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I have absolutely no faith in Holloway or Bougault. I'm patiently waiting on Broberg because I've seen instances where you can see a great dman there but I don't think either of our forwards are going to be anything more than bottom 6 players. I hope I eat massive crow.