Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Broberg Speed]

I honestly love it in here right now. It’s like when idiot protesters glue themselves to the road and scream about their cause while the general public take turns unleashing on them and or just laughing at them.

If you have a link to that video I'll make the time to watch it.

 

[tinfish]

I honestly love it in here right now. It’s like when idiot protesters glue themselves to the road and scream about their cause while the general public take turns unleashing on them and or just laughing at them.

What do you have against people who adhere themselves to roadways?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Does anyone know what Woodcroft’s record is since he’s become an NHL head coach and how it compares to the other teams in the league in that time?

Check the playoff record..

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Check the playoff record..

Losing to the cup champs both times.

Damn, what a clown.

Although not a shocker you don't like him, you were tippshit's biggest supporter and were crying when he got fired.

 

[Soundwave]

Sure they had a good year and got bounced in the 2nd round. Then half the team went public and said they wanted out. Why does this sound like a good option to you?

Because they're a bunch of losers and quitters.

Remember when the Oilers were going nowhere and missed the playoffs in 2018? And we hired Ken Hitchcock?

If Hitchcock was a hard, hard-ass (instead of a retired grandpa in his cuddly phase) and implemented a system where the team had an incredible goals against in the regular season, half the team had career years, skyrocketed from out of the playoffs to no.1 in the division, while still allowing McDavid to score 120+ points with a +64 rating and Draisaitl also was top 10 in scoring ...

Do you think McDavid and Draisaitl would turn around and cry that Hitchcock was too meanie pants?

No. They would love that if that happened. They would kill to have that happen back then. Because they're not a bunch of losers like that Flames core is.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Losing to the cup champs both times.

Damn, what a clown.

Although not a shocker you don't like him, you were tippshit's biggest supporter and were crying when he got fired.

The first time we didn't have a hope in hell. Last time we could've won with some adjustments.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

That's because we've been having the same conversation in here since May.

"We've"

 

[Broberg Speed]

Check the playoff record..

85% of the NHL is envious of the Oilers, with respect to overall ability as a team. It's that other 15% we need to be concerned with.

And I'll say it again, this team has the ability to win the Presidents' Trophy this season. That's not enough. That's the wrong trophy.

 

[Mr Positive]

The first time we didn't have a hope in hell. Last time we could've won with some adjustments.

Imo the first time it was the injuries to Drai and Nurse that made it impossible. But yeah, that was a team without Ekholm. Even without injuries we may have got swept by the Avs at full power with red hot Makar, healthy Landeskog and Kadri

 

[MessierII]

McDavid had the most points of any player in the Vegas-Oilers series.

Draisaitl had the most goals in the series despite getting his arm brutally hacked at the end of game 4 because he had been the best player in the series until that point. Clear as day attempt to injure a player that until that point Vegas couldn't stop.

Because they play 90% of the pp time. 5 on 5 they were dominated.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Imo the first time it was the injuries to Drai and Nurse that made it impossible. But yeah, that was a team without Ekholm. Even without injuries we may have got swept by the Avs at full power with red hot Makar, healthy Landeskog and Kadri

Agreed, that team was absolutely stacked. Vegas wasn't nearly as stacked as the Avs were.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Agreed, that team was absolutely stacked. Vegas wasn't nearly as stacked as the Avs were.

Vegas played better hockey.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Check the playoff record..

Ok let me check…

*lost to Stanley Cup Champions for two consecutive years*

Just a terrible result.

You know what would make these forums better? If they required a digital ticket on a phone in order to get in.

 

[McShogun99]

Its interesting.
Posters argue that Nurse is a #1 dman and yet he cant do what virtually every #1 dman can do...carry an inferior partner and make him better.

Would Nurse have been able to make Bouchard a better player in the same way that Ekholm did?
The answer is obviously No.

The reality is of course that Nurse is a # 2 dman at best and doesnt have the ability to carry an inferior D partner. Now I am not saying that you are suggesting that Nurse is a #1 dman but he clearly needs a top quality partner. For $9.25M that shouldnt be the case but yet here we are.
So Nurse is not providing full value for his contract and likely never will and that hurts this team because it means less money to find a player that can provide top 4 minutes to help make Nurse a better player.

When you look at other top teams, their best Dman usually has a competent partner. Our right side has been so bad since before Mcdavid. Even players like Makar, Fox and Josi wouldn’t be able to carry a top pairing if their partner was Bear, Barrie or Ceci.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

And what was Adin Hill's save percentage versus Stuart Skinner's in the playoffs? Was it around 0.01% difference? Would you care to list it?

How anyone take you seriously by citing one single playoff run as a predictor for future playoff runs? Seriously?

Fleury's first 4 playoffs:
0.883
0.880
0.933
0.908 (won cup)

Binnington's first 4 playoffs:
0.914 (won cup)
0.851
0.899
0.949

Vasilevsky's first 4 playoffs:
0.895
0.925
0.918
0.856 (won cup following year)


Jake Oettinger just came off of a 19-game playoffs with an 0.895. Hellebuyck 0.886. Vegas' other Western opponents. Imagine that.

Picking on a rookie goalie's first playoff run and assuming he'll never improve is amateur stuff.

 

[McShogun99]

Big flashy trade to secure their spot in the mushy middle. When Karlsson and the rest of their vets inevitably regress, they're in for a 10+ year rebuild. What better way to start that off than being locked to an untradeable contract.

I look forward to watching Karlsson return to the 50ish point guy that's on and off the IR flipping on and off their top PP unit with Letang who was already a solid PPQB option.

Dubas' 'GM style' doesn't play when talking about the Oilers. Moves like that would be idiotic for a team in our position.

I’d be fine with the Oilers going thru a long rebuild after Mcdavid retires if it meant they won 3 Cups and were competing to win up to the day he retires.

Pittsburgh might not be a cup favorite but at least they’re still going all in even though their core is almost retirement age.

 

[Soundwave]

I’d be fine with the Oilers going thru a long rebuild after Mcdavid retires if it meant they won 3 Cups and were competing to win up to the day he retires.

Pittsburgh might not be a cup favorite but at least they’re still going all in even though their core is almost retirement age.

Oiler fans would do back flips with just 1 Cup, lol.

For THREE Cups? lol, I'd be fine if the Oilers didn't win a single game for 5 years afterwards.

Pittsburgh got 3. Wanting 4 is greedy but you have to admire an organization that is still trying and really going for it even with an aging core.

The whole "Bbbbububbutu in 3 years they'll have to scorched earth rebuild!", no shit because in 3-4 years Crosby/Malkin/Letang will be retiring. That would happen either way.

They're not going to trade those players now after all they've done for the franchise and what they mean to the franchise while they still have some juice in the tank.

But at least they recognize they have a window here and are trying to maximize their final years.

 

[Soundwave]

How anyone take you seriously by citing one single playoff run as a predictor for future playoff runs? Seriously?

Fleury's first 4 playoffs:
0.883
0.880
0.933
0.908 (won cup)

Binnington's first 4 playoffs:
0.914 (won cup)
0.851
0.899
0.949

Vasilevsky's first 4 playoffs:
0.895
0.925
0.918
0.856 (won cup following year)


Jake Oettinger just came off of a 19-game playoffs with an 0.895. Hellebuyck 0.886. Vegas' other Western opponents. Imagine that.

Picking on a rookie goalie's first playoff run and assuming he'll never improve is amateur stuff.

Your MAF numbers are wrong, and in their 1st playoffs they were a young team in Crosby's 2nd year clueless about how to play playoff hockey (it was a 5 game loss to a much more experienced Ottawa team). In his second playoffs he was a .933 and led Pittsburgh to the Cup Final and was probably their best player in the playoffs.

But why is the expectation that Skinner is some all time great like MAF or Vasilevsky in the making?

His save percentage even in the regular season when he was good was lower than Mike Smith's the year before and Mike Smith was 40 and playing on one leg with no Ekholm luxury.

Skinner hasn't done shit to even be whispered alongside those other guys. For all we know he's the next Koskinen or Scrivens, there's a higher probability of that than he's the next MAF or Vasilevsky.

 

[Broberg Speed]

It really is funny how Skinner gets endless runway, then here I am, the lone Campbell supporter.

 

[belair]

It really is funny how Skinner gets endless runway, then here I am, the lone Campbell supporter.

Campbell will be fine. His resume screams average starter and solid split starter. These two splitting starts 50/50 and even giving a third string a bit of a look is a fine position for the team through the regular season.

I’d be fine with the Oilers going thru a long rebuild after Mcdavid retires if it meant they won 3 Cups and were competing to win up to the day he retires.

Pittsburgh might not be a cup favorite but at least they’re still going all in even though their core is almost retirement age.

This wasn't the point of the discussion. Pittsburgh making the gamble made sense. From Edmonton's perspective, it could've resulted in Draisaitl and McDavid signing elsewhere once their contracts ended.

 

[5 14 6 1]

I see the regulars here are in mid season form already. Gonna be a great year boys

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Your MAF numbers are wrong, and in their 1st playoffs they were a young team in Crosby's 2nd year clueless about how to play playoff hockey (it was a 5 game loss to a much more experienced Ottawa team). In his second playoffs he was a .933 and led Pittsburgh to the Cup Final and was probably their best player in the playoffs.

But why is the expectation that Skinner is some all time great like MAF or Vasilevsky in the making?

His save percentage even in the regular season when he was good was lower than Mike Smith's the year before and Mike Smith was 40 and playing on one leg with no Ekholm luxury.

Skinner hasn't done shit to even be whispered alongside those other guys. For all we know he's the next Koskinen or Scrivens, there's a higher probability of that than he's the next MAF or Vasilevsky.

Completely missed my point.

 

[TheNumber4]

And what was Adin Hill's save percentage versus Stuart Skinner's in the playoffs? Was it around 0.01% difference? Would you care to list it?

I hate the blue line and the goaltending, sure.

Not because I'm irrational. Because they are stopping us from winning.

The goal is to win, they are the biggest barrier in terms of us winning. If you gave this version of Connor + Leon the same defence + goaltending even from 2017 they might win a Cup, but this group nah. Skinner/Campbell cannot even carry Talbot's jock strap from that year.

If we had this version of Skinner/Campbell in net in 2017 we lose to San Jose, probably in like 5 games. We've played in 5 playoffs rounds in the last two years and gotten better than .900 goaltending in ONE of the 5 series (that was the first of the 5 series versus LA in 2022). Is that good? That normal for a contender? No it most certainly is not, it's f***ing brutal is what it is.

You’re way overrating that 2017 defence squad. That group couldn’t move the puck to save their lives. Talbot was good that one year, then he showed what he was for most of his career, mediocre.

Campbell will be fine. His resume screams average starter and solid split starter. These two splitting starts 50/50 and even giving a third string a bit of a look is a fine position for the team through the regular season.


This wasn't the point of the discussion. Pittsburgh making the gamble made sense. From Edmonton's perspective, it could've resulted in Draisaitl and McDavid signing elsewhere once their contracts ended.

Campbells resume screams fringe starter more than average starter.

 

[TheNumber4]

After trading for Ekholm, Karlsson makes very little sense for the Oilers. But Dubas DID steal Karlssson. He barely even paid a 1st. You take the 3 cap dumps that he dumped on the Sharks for free, that’s worth more than the 1st Dubas gave up. Grier got fleeced. Dubas pulled off a great trade for the Pens.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Campbell will be fine. His resume screams average starter and solid split starter. These two splitting starts 50/50 and even giving a third string a bit of a look is a fine position for the team through the regular season.

I think Campbell outperforms Skinner next year. But Woodcroft will not want to start Campbell. Just like we witnessed in the playoffs.

Maybe it will come out Jack Campbell had a poor regular season performance because Jay Woodcroft is a stubborn jerk.

Eventually, Campbell will prove he's the starter by Christmas break. And fans will be zealously howling for Campbell to take over the net by the New Year.