Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[CantHaveTkachev]

Never seen so many people cry about a great team. Can’t wait for the season to start to drown them out lmao.

No kidding

How did any of them survive the Decade of Darkness? They must have been on suicide watch

 

[belair]

I hope we don’t go through the same mistake we made with Yamo and Pulju.

Broberg should have been moved a year ago. If he still hasn’t figured it out early this year you have to look at moving him for real help before his value is 0 like those guys. I’m higher on Holloway and Bourgault at the moment but again, we need to bolster our D NOW — everyone should be on the table no exceptions.

For what? A 2nd rounder?

Broberg is right where many defensemen are at age 21. On the cusp of making the NHL full time. He's right where he needs to be to take the reins away from a guy like Brett Kulak who makes $3m a year against the cap to play an inconsequential role.

That's how you offset the impact of the Connor Brown deal in one move.

 

[Despote]

Holland has shown a willingness to keep 1st rounders. I do see reason to think that would change, to boost the team leading up to the end of our superstar contracts. But just think of it this way: what if this team didn't have Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault? What if we didn't have Skinner? Would this team be one that Drai or McDavid would want to stick around for? No

There needs to be a balance of "win now" and future outlook. Only a team on the verge of imploding like Pittsburgh can truly afford to go all in. Our team can ride our current youth movement for a couple seasons maybe but at some point we need to restock. Hopefully we can find diamonds in the rough like Petrov or score some UFA prospects

Maybe they would have a Cup instead, last year was wide open. 1st round draft picks are hilariously overvalued, to date Bouchard is the only one drafted after 2015 that has provided any real value for the team. The time to balance for the future is gone, the time to win is now.

 

[Mr Positive]

I think Stauffer is right. I think it will be traded.l

Pretty sure Holland has said that the team needs to be a top 8-10 team before he trades a first pick.

I think we will see it traded. I don’t know whos a target on the right side though.

I also think it will be traded by the deadline. But, within the next few years I'd expect him to keep one 1st rounder, or at least trade for one.

But as of now there is no trade target. Maybe there are some vague ideas but it just makes sense to reassess the team and also let the list of sellers to grow by letting the season play out.

It's just logical sense that the one hole is the Ceci spot, with his contract making this an almost exact replay of last year with Barrie. But, logic has its limits. We need to see how the team plays. There may even be new defensive systems and for all we know we will have a bigger need elsewhere.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

More like quit quit quit quit

What a bunch of babies that Flames group is. Dude comes in on a team going nowhere, with a 5'8 "franchise player" who was sliding into career mediocrity, a team missing the playoffs, and within a few months gives them their best regular season in 30+ years, 2nd best season in franchise history after 1989 (the year they actually won something), half the team has sky high career years and cash in on massive contract extensions because of it and all they can do is f***ing whine and cry like a bunch of bitches that Sutter was mean to them at a video session one time where they probably deserved it.

You’re still going off about Dinosaur Darryl?
The guy completely ripped apart the entire organization in 2 years where half the team wanted out, including the GM

And all he did was eek by the Stars only to get slapped by the Oilers in Round 2

 

[Despote]

For what? A 2nd rounder?

Broberg is right where many defensemen are at age 21. On the cusp of making the NHL full time. He's right where he needs to be to take the reins away from a guy like Brett Kulak who makes $3m a year against the cap to play an inconsequential role.

If his trade value is/was a 2nd rounder, he's right where a 2nd rounder is expected to be at 21. Not where a #8 overall pick should be.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I mean anyone is better Kosko. But with how Talbot finished with us, he was never going to recover here. Mentally broken, couldn’t stop the first shot. The fanbase was done with him, and he was done with our lack of D. Yeh Schwartz sucks.

All conjecture. Cam Talbots wife had twins in October 2016. We still rode him hard that season, and playoffs and Cam played even the night before the twins were born.

This is not one new baby in home, its twins, which taxes any parent.

I think Talbot responded well that whole season and while even mentioning he wasn't getting a lot of sleep. But as lack of rest tends to do it can take awhile to impact somebody. By the next season that impact was perhaps taking its toll.

I don't know that I saw Talbot irrevocably broken. I mean if we're saying that about Talbot than what is the prognosis for Campbell this season? Fair question right?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ok let me check…

*lost to Stanley Cup Champions for two consecutive years*

Just a terrible result.

You know what would make these forums better? If they required a digital ticket on a phone in order to get in.

This is the pearls we're going to be clutching all year? The Oilers lost to the SC champs in 83, and in 2006 and thats of note because these losses occurred in the SC final. Thats significant.

Losing to the eventual cup champs is a different thing. its a footnote. 4 teams each season can lay claim to such a feat and they don't even scratch it onto the cup.

Gee just checked. Theres no collected stat of clubs that played doormat to the eventual SC champs. The only ones denoted are the FINALISTS.

 

[belair]

If his trade value is/was a 2nd rounder, he's right where a 2nd rounder is expected to be at 21. Not where a #8 overall pick should be.

So 2nd round picks take longer, but guys picked 8th overall need to be effective NHLers almost out of the box?

Guys taken in the top half of the 1st round are generally more of a sure thing versus the guys taken beyond. That doesn't necessarily mean difference maker either.

We're used to a lot of immediate gratification when it comes to prospects. Klef and Nurse were introduced to a defensive core with next to no depth to hold them back from integral roles. And even they didn't really pop off until their 23/24 year old seasons.

The Oilers have that depth now. Imagine where Nurse or Klefbom more been had they had to earn their minutes. Maybe Nurse doesn't make $10m being forced to take a #1 role in Klefbom's absence. Maybe Klef's body isn't destroyed by being one of the most overworked Dmen in the league.

We don't get a lot of defensive prospects in this organization. I'm willing to wait this one out.

 

[K1984]

No kidding

How did any of them survive the Decade of Darkness? They must have been on suicide watch

They probably enjoyed it because their moaning was actually justified then.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I hope we don’t go through the same mistake we made with Yamo and Pulju.

Broberg should have been moved a year ago. If he still hasn’t figured it out early this year you have to look at moving him for real help before his value is 0 like those guys. I’m higher on Holloway and Bourgault at the moment but again, we need to bolster our D NOW — everyone should be on the table no exceptions.

Comparing the development of forwards to dmen. lol. Yup, you continue to show why you're so respected in "real hockey talk"

For what? A 2nd rounder?

Broberg is right where many defensemen are at age 21. On the cusp of making the NHL full time. He's right where he needs to be to take the reins away from a guy like Brett Kulak who makes $3m a year against the cap to play an inconsequential role.

That's how you offset the impact of the Connor Brown deal in one move.

Common sense wins again

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

No kidding

How did any of them survive the Decade of Darkness? They must have been on suicide watch

They probably had a blast.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So 2nd round picks take longer, but guys picked 8th overall need to be effective NHLers almost out of the box?

Guys taken in the top half of the 1st round are generally more of a sure thing versus the guys taken beyond. That doesn't necessarily mean difference maker either.

We're used to a lot of immediate gratification when it comes to prospects. Klef and Nurse were introduced to a defensive core with next to no depth to hold them back from integral roles. And even they didn't really pop off until their 23/24 year old seasons.

The Oilers have that depth now. Imagine where Nurse or Klefbom more been had they had to earn their minutes. Maybe Nurse doesn't make $10m being forced to take a #1 role in Klefbom's absence. Maybe Klef's body isn't destroyed by being one of the most overworked Dmen in the league.

We don't get a lot of defensive prospects in this organization. I'm willing to wait this one out.

Fair comment could be made that the Bouch development is showing us that its worth the wait and could be for Broberg as well. I think its important to give Both more responsibility and usage this season. Not sure its going to happen for Broberg, not because of him, just due to the coaching staff going hard to vet or older players.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The revisionism about 2017 Cam Talbot is funny.

He was ass in the Ducks series. He was complete ass in Games 3 and 4 in particular.

What a silly post. Cam Talbot was excellent in that season and one of the work horse goalies in the league getting an incredible workload while also having twins at home that were born that season.

The Oilers rode Talbot Hard that season and playoffs.

I know you hate citations and actual information but this article says more about what occurred than you do;

Are the Oilers overworking Cam Talbot?

Cam Talbot is a vital part of the Edmonton Oilers. He's been great sin...

oilersnation.com

The Oilers not only gave Talbot inordinate work, he got as many games as ANY other goalie had in a season in that decade.

But here you are pissing on him saying he was ass.

 

[Anarchism]

For what? A 2nd rounder?

Broberg is right where many defensemen are at age 21. On the cusp of making the NHL full time. He's right where he needs to be to take the reins away from a guy like Brett Kulak who makes $3m a year against the cap to play an inconsequential role.

That's how you offset the impact of the Connor Brown deal in one move.

Broberg should have been moved at the last deadline. And should be moved right now.
Broberg for Kovacevic.
IF we had someone live Kovy instead of Desi, and had zone Defense and played Soupy a couple more games there a good possibility we would be peeing in ;the cup.
Even if Broberg makes the cut this year its a year of rookie mistakes including the playoffs. We don't want that this year or next.
Hughes will trade for his upside...right now he has too many 5/6 D men.

 

[Louis Cypher]

NHL players do not give a f*** about which rookies they have playing in the AHL or healthy scratched on their club.

They would have far preferred those picks being moved for guys like Ekholm who help them try and win a championship now.

Because our superstars are under contract. When it's time to resign them and the cupboards are empty it will be much harder to get them resigned.

 

[duul]

Because our superstars are under contract. When it's time to resign them and the cupboards are empty it will be much harder to get them resigned.

I disageee. We should look at how much trouble top teams had in signing their superstars. Pittsburgh hasn’t had any notable prospects since Crosby Malkin, can’t think of any in Ovechkin era either. Tampa, Chicago guys, etc — I could be wrong but I don’t think they had big name prospects in the wings that would’ve swayed them staying or leaving. All came down to winning.

 

[belair]

Broberg should have been moved at the last deadline. And should be moved right now.
Broberg for Kovacevic.
IF we had someone live Kovy instead of Desi, and had zone Defense and played Soupy a couple more games there a good possibility we would be peeing in ;the cup.
Even if Broberg makes the cut this year its a year of rookie mistakes including the playoffs. We don't want that this year or next.
Hughes will trade for his upside...right now he has too many 5/6 D men.

Who?

 

[Nerish]

In regards to Stauff’s odds of trading the pick and upgrading the RD (assuming it’s Ceci and the first for the upgrade), it’ll be interesting to see what names become available over the season

 

[Anarchism]

Who?

If your going to be in the rumors and proposal thread maybe it is a good idea to have a handle on other GMs...who they are, their background and past moves? Or what the hell wing it!

 

[duul]

Who?

And this is the response you get from someone proudly displaying their ignorance @Anarchism

As though it is a good thing to have less knowledge of other teams player than the person they’re replying to. I’ll never understand.

I’ll never criticize someone for being ignorant on the sport due to watching it less or simply investing less time than others into it, but trying to talk down to others while knowing less is absurd. Surely you can see that belair? You aren’t a fool.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I have absolutely no faith in Holloway or Bougault. I'm patiently waiting on Broberg because I've seen instances where you can see a great dman there but I don't think either of our forwards are going to be anything more than bottom 6 players. I hope I eat massive crow.

I have more faith in these players. But less in how they are being managed. None of Bourgault, Holloway, or Broberg are going to bang the door open, perhaps they are not that level of players that force you to play them, but they should be more utilized and hopefully this season for at least a couple of them. I don't know what plans the org has for Bourgault though.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

If your going to be in the rumors and proposal thread maybe it is a good idea to have a handle on other GMs...who they are, their background and past moves? Or what the hell wing it!

Or maybe don’t trade a young defenseman because wing it.

That’s what bad management does. You’re bad management.

It’s a move that screams move for doing a move. Adds nothing of value.

Yes. Let’s trade a cost controlled 21 year old defenseman for an older shittier defenseman. Brilliant move.

 

[bobbythebrain]

And this is the response you get from someone proudly displaying their ignorance @Anarchism

As though it is a good thing to have less knowledge of other teams player than the person they’re replying to. I’ll never understand.

I’ll never criticize someone for being ignorant on the sport due to watching it less or simply investing less time than others into it, but trying to talk down to others while knowing less is absurd. Surely you can see that belair? You aren’t a fool.

Weren't you raving about DeAngelo based on stats?

 

[duul]

Weren't you raving about DeAngelo based on stats?

Yes, and a real impressive team in Carolina has chosen to pick him up — twice.