Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Soundwave]

I think we can all agree that everything is going to go right for other teams and everything that could possibly go wrong for the Oilers definitely will.

We definitely won’t improve defensively just like we haven’t improved defensively the last two years and let’s be honest Campbell definitely won’t improve from a historically bad performance as far as goalies go, hell he’ll probably be even worse this year. And don’t even get me started on that All star and Calder finalists, that guys a bum too.

I don’t even know why they’d bother playing the season, everyone already knows they aren’t good enough defensively or goaltending wise. Why even bother playing the games?

Remember when Mikko Koskinen got better and became a top end goalie?

No? Me neither.

Campbell and Skinner haven't done shit in this league yet. Campbell is the more experienced of the two has a whopping two seasons as a starter that went as follows:

- Great first half of a season for Toronto, followed by a terrible second half of the season where he was so mentally rattled they had to send him home to get his thoughts together.

- Second season as a starter was last year in Edmonton ... and ... yeah.

Skinner had one year where his save percentage was below a 40 year old Mike Smith who already wasn't good enough to win with.

Campbell suckering the Oilers into a 5 year deal was absurd, he had done nothing to warrant that contract.

 

[duul]

Then find a more perfect team.

I don't know what kids need to hear this, but making your entire personality "I hate this team because they aren't perfect in the way I require" isn't the flex you believe it to be.

What?

Ekholm is our best D, but make no mistake he is a 2nd pairing guy like he has been his entire career.

When he was forced to step up and play top competition in heated playoff games he wilted just like Nurse does. We must accept what our players are.

 

[Anarchism]

I think we can all agree that everything is going to go right for other teams and everything that could possibly go wrong for the Oilers definitely will.

We definitely won’t improve defensively just like we haven’t improved defensively the last two years and let’s be honest Campbell definitely won’t improve from a historically bad performance as far as goalies go, hell he’ll probably be even worse this year. And don’t even get me started on that All star and Calder finalists, that guys a bum too.

I don’t even know why they’d bother playing the season, everyone already knows they aren’t good enough defensively or goaltending wise. Why even bother playing the games?

Lol Supreme. When you hit the bottom of the well just scream. Surely someone here will lower you a rope.

 

[GOilers88]

Playoffs is what defines goalies of contending teams. Its a different game and teams have much more resolve to get to the net in playoffs and to make plays around net and take pucks directly to net. Its why goalies with battle, Billy Smith, to Ron Hextall to Adin Hill offer their clubs another dimension. These goalies, if they one and one the last line of defense won't hesitate to take out the attacking player themselves. Adin Hill upended McDavid 3 times and likely took two goals away doing just that.

You never get that kind of play from Skinner. I love physical goalies. In all the looks of analytics and goalie coaching its forgotten what Mike Smiths can bring to the table.

I think skinner freezes as well when plays are tight around net. Still some panic there.

I agree he has warts in his game, but he was also a rookie thrust into a starters role on a team with super high expectations. He showed well through a long season and I think was maybe worn down by the end. He also showed good resiliency in being able to bounce back after a bad game pretty much all season. I just don't think it's fair to define Skinner as a goalie based on those 12 games. He showed all year he was much better than that and I would expect, and maybe moreso hope that he's able to build upon what he's already started. Maybe if he already had a few disappointing runs under his belt I'd be more inclined to agree with the sentiments, but he doesn't so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Also think the team tightening up defensively as a unit in tight games will go a long ways to helping him and Campbell out.

Fully agree about Mike Smith. Always though he gave the team enough to win and was underappreciated around here simply because he was old. I really miss having that third defenseman back there, even if it bit him in the ass every so often. Was a fair trade in my books.

 

[Anarchism]

What?

Ekholm is our best D, but make no mistake he is a 2nd pairing guy like he has been his entire career.

When he was forced to step up and play top competition in heated playoff games he wilted just like Nurse does. We must accept what our players are.

Nurse can be a very good number one Duul. He just needs the right guy to compliment him. Maybe hopefully the deadline provides that guy.

 

[Soundwave]

Nurse can be a very good number one Duul. He just needs the right guy to compliment him. Maybe hopefully the deadline provides that guy.

-12 in 10 games for Nurse versus Vegas and Colorado when we needed him the most.

This dude is not a no.1 D. Not when it matters.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I agree he has warts in his game, but he was also a rookie thrust into a starters role on a team with super high expectations. He showed well through a long season and I think was maybe worn down by the end. He also showed good resiliency in being able to bounce back after a bad game pretty much all season. I just don't think it's fair to define Skinner as a goalie based on those 12 games. He showed all year he was much better than that and I would expect, and maybe moreso hope that he's able to build upon what he's already started. Maybe if he already had a few disappointing runs under his belt I'd be more inclined to agree with the sentiments, but he doesn't so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Also think the team tightening up defensively as a unit in tight games will go a long ways to helping him and Campbell out.

Fully agree about Mike Smith. Always though he gave the team enough to win and was underappreciated around here simply because he was old. I really miss having that third defenseman back there, even if it bit him in the ass every so often. Was a fair trade in my books.

Skinner reminds me of Oettinger. Soon as teams get a book on him he's not much in playoffs and honestly a liability. A certain kind of goalie goes deep in playoffs. Their battle level has to be a whole lot different and you see guys like Bobo, Vasi, Hill, etc that were doing that. The goalies that looked nervous like Oettinger cost their clubs. Dallas were one of the better D teams out there and even having guys like Heiskanen wasn't saving them from having Oettinger.

i fear the book is out on Skinner, and on the Oilers schemes. Hopefully the schemes have changed.

Yeah, Mike Smith brought the battle, and was good moving the puck. A third D out there.

 

[duul]

Nurse can be a very good number one Duul. He just needs the right guy to compliment him. Maybe hopefully the deadline provides that guy.

Haven’t seen that day yet. Maybe one day lad. Our entire D corps totally wilts when against a high intensity forecheck. No clue what they’re doing and Ekholm fit in perfectly with that. I think all of our D could look better with a simpler system.

 

[K1984]

-12 in 10 games for Nurse versus Vegas and Colorado when we needed him the most.

This dude is not a no.1 D. Not when it matters.

They should just trade him and get Makar in here instead.

 

[McShogun99]

-12 in 10 games for Nurse versus Vegas and Colorado when we needed him the most.

This dude is not a no.1 D. Not when it matters.

You can go farther back with our losses to Chicago and Winnipeg as well. A lot of the blame is probably on who Nurse was paired with (Bear, Ceci). Get Nurse a partner that can actually handle top pairing minutes and his +/- will improve. You have teams attacking the right side of the ice when Nurse is on because he always has a weak partner.

Every cup winning team has two competent Dmen on their top pairing. We have one and we keep pairing him with a bottom pairing Dman.

 

[Anarchism]

-12 in 10 games for Nurse versus Vegas and Colorado when we needed him the most.

This dude is not a no.1 D. Not when it matters.

Yes he needs help to be that guy. Brain fart does not have all the qualities of a No. 1 by himself yet with the right partner can be one. Ceci whether it was a left over injury or not could not provide what Nurse need to. Further Nurse took it upon himself to try to carry more than he should have because the team needed it and there was no one else. He was obviously doing much more than playing defense.
Your trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater Sounder.
Your reading symptoms and think you have identified the disease. Wrong diagnosis.

 

[Soundwave]

They should just trade him and get Makar in here instead.

Or maybe not agree to pay him 9 million dollars for scoring a bunch of gravy points playing a rebuilding Ottawa team 50 times in the Canadian division.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Too bad the team is hopeless and the cap is so tight for everyone.

This team can't win and they can't even move McDrai to flawless teams because there's not space.

Or maybe not agree to pay him 9 million dollars for scoring a bunch of gravy points playing a rebuilding Ottawa team 50 times in the Canadian division.

They should have let him walk, it would have been easy to fill his minutes at a fraction of the price I'm sure.

 

[K1984]

Or maybe not agree to pay him 9 million dollars for scoring a bunch of gravy points playing a rebuilding Ottawa team 50 times in the Canadian division.

If only we had a time machine to go back in time and make everything just perfect. Then we would have multiple cups.

But we don't, so......

 

[Soundwave]

Too bad the team is hopeless and the cap is so tight for everyone.

This team can't win and they can't even move McDrai to flawless teams because there's not space.


They should have let him walk, it would have been easy to fill his minutes at a fraction of the price I'm sure.

If he's not helping us win anything in the playoffs then he's doing what really? Racking up gravy plus minus because he gets to play a ton of time with the two highest scoring players in a quarter century.

The Oilers should have thought long and hard about trading him if he wasn't going to budge on his ask. Or at the very least lets see him repeat his production from the Canadian division in a contract year instead of rushing to sign him for no reason.

Of course when asked to "prove it" Nurse failed miserably to repeat his production from the Canadian division season the following year because he's a fraud. He can't play at that level and he knows it deep down, he suckered the Oilers into thinking that Canadian year was who he was when he's plainly not that player.

Dude is just casually getting outplayed by Vegas' no.4/5 D in the playoffs. It's kind hard to win when your no.1 guy is getting taken to the cleaners that badly.

He's a Noah Hanifin tier player. Nothing more, maybe a tad less even. Noah Hanifin isn't gonna sniff 9 million though.

 

[guymez]

You can go farther back with our losses to Chicago and Winnipeg as well. A lot of the blame is probably on who Nurse was paired with (Bear, Ceci). Get Nurse a partner that can actually handle top pairing minutes and his +/- will improve. You have teams attacking the right side of the ice when Nurse is on because he always has a weak partner.

Every cup winning team has two competent Dmen on their top pairing. We have one and we keep pairing him with a bottom pairing Dman.

Its interesting.
Posters argue that Nurse is a #1 dman and yet he cant do what virtually every #1 dman can do...carry an inferior partner and make him better.

Would Nurse have been able to make Bouchard a better player in the same way that Ekholm did?
The answer is obviously No.

The reality is of course that Nurse is a # 2 dman at best and doesnt have the ability to carry an inferior D partner. Now I am not saying that you are suggesting that Nurse is a #1 dman but he clearly needs a top quality partner. For $9.25M that shouldnt be the case but yet here we are.
So Nurse is not providing full value for his contract and likely never will and that hurts this team because it means less money to find a player that can provide top 4 minutes to help make Nurse a better player.

 

[Anarchism]

If he's not helping us win anything in the playoffs then he's doing what really? Racking up gravy plus minus because he gets to play a ton of time with the two highest scoring players in a quarter century.

The Oilers should have thought long and hard about trading him if he wasn't going to budge on his ask. Or at the very least lets see him repeat his production from the Canadian division in a contract year instead of rushing to sign him for no reason.

Of course when asked to "prove it" Nurse failed miserably to repeat his production from the Canadian division season the following year because he's a fraud. He can't play at that level and he knows it deep down, he suckered the Oilers into thinking that Canadian year was who he was when he's plainly not that player.

Dude is just casually getting outplayed by Vegas' no.4/5 D in the playoffs. It's kind hard to win when your no.1 guy is getting taken to the cleaners that badly.

He's a Noah Hanifin tier player. Nothing more, maybe a tad less even. Noah Hanifin isn't gonna sniff 9 million though.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Hey guyz, this is how you improve the Oilers.

Trade Nurse for Makar, Colorado retains 50%.

Trade Campbell for Hellebuyck. Winnipeg has to sign him to a contract extension first and then retain 50%.

Waive Skinner. He doesn’t have the body language of a winner, trust me on this.

Evan Vouchard lacks character so time to trade him to Nashville for Roman Josi. Nashville retains 50%.

Ryan McLoud doesn’t win like Klim Kostin. Waive him, trade a first to Detroit for kostin. Detroit retains 50%.

Trade brown for futures at deadline cause next year is super bad.

Kostin-McDavid-Brown
HYMAN-Draisaitl- RNH
Who cares bottom six

Josi-Makar
Ekholm-Ceci
Who cares

Hellebuyck
Who cares



Anyone who disagrees with me isn’t a winner.

 

[Anarchism]

Its interesting.
Posters argue that Nurse is a #1 dman and yet he cant do what virtually every #1 dman can do...carry an inferior partner and make him better.

Would Nurse have been able to make Bouchard a better player in the same way that Ekholm did?
The answer is obviously No.

The reality is of course that Nurse is a # 2 dman at best and doesnt have the ability to carry an inferior D partner. Now I am not saying that you are suggesting that Nurse is a #1 dman but he clearly needs a top quality partner. For $9.25M that shouldnt be the case but yet here we are.
So Nurse is not providing full value for his contract and likely never will and that hurts this team because it means less money to find a player that can provide top 4 minutes to help make Nurse a better player.

Its true Nurse is not a 9 mil player but he is not to blame for that contract. Holland handled it badly from the onset and of course Nurse's agent knew he had him over the barrel.
You still have a guy that can be a number one with the right help.
What the problem. Eventually hopefully at the deadline you get that right guy.

You think if you bitch and moan about it enough Nurse will give 2 mil back per year. LOL.
Its done and no one is even thinking about trading him.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sorted a deal so McDrai can go win (along with Ekholm) and the Oilers get stuff.

To NYR: Draisailt (50%), Ekholm(50%) and McDavid(25%)

To EDM: 1st round picks for the next 3 seasons, Kakko, Lafreniere, Lindgren & Trochek, prospects Othmann, Cuylle and Perreault

To SJ: Goodrow, Rempe & 2nd (to NYR Brandon Coe)

McDrai gets to win and the Oilers get stuff and $3+M in mighty Capspace., everyone wins.

 

[Soundwave]

Nurse is a no.2 D who can masquerade as a 1 so long as he gets plenty of time with McDavid/Draisaitl tilting the ice the other way in the regular season.

In the playoffs, he reverts to what he actually is ... which is a no.2 D.

You can't hide in the playoffs, players get exposed for what they are in the post-season, that's the beauty of the playoffs, the guys who are legitimately what they say they are either maintain or elevate, the frauds will inevitably fall apart (Nurse, RNH).

Nurse's offence also goes to complete shit in the playoffs ... 2 goals and 15 points total in 47 playoff games .... woof.

Ekholm is not a true no.1 D either, but he is not any worse than Nurse either, he's probably better than Nurse if we're being dead honest, but no one forces Ekholm to be labelled a no.1.

Nurse just got that label basically by default. No one else had it, so well Nurse has to be it because someone has to be labelled the no.1 and he's a no.7 overall pick so it may as well be him. I'd take Klefbom back over Nurse and Klef wasn't like some stud no.1 either.

 

[Anarchism]

Nurse is a no.2 D who can masquerade as a 1 so long as he gets plenty of time with McDavid/Draisaitl tilting the ice the other way in the regular season.

In the playoffs, he reverts to what he actually is ... which is a no.2 D.

You can't hide in the playoffs, players get exposed for what they are in the post-season, that's the beauty of the playoffs, the guys who are legitimately what they say they are either maintain or elevate, the frauds will inevitably fall apart (Nurse, RNH).

Nurse's offence also goes to complete shit in the playoffs ... 2 goals and 15 points total in 47 playoff games .... woof.

Wow not sure we can agree on this.
What do you suggest we do?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Hey guyz, this is how you improve the Oilers.

Trade Nurse for Makar, Colorado retains 50%.

Trade Campbell for Hellebuyck. Winnipeg has to sign him to a contract extension first and then retain 50%.

Waive Skinner. He doesn’t have the body language of a winner, trust me on this.

Evan Vouchard lacks character so time to trade him to Nashville for Roman Josi. Nashville retains 50%.

Ryan McLoud doesn’t win like Klim Kostin. Waive him, trade a first to Detroit for kostin. Detroit retains 50%.

Trade brown for futures at deadline cause next year is super bad.

Kostin-McDavid-Brown
HYMAN-Draisaitl- RNH
Who cares bottom six

Josi-Makar
Ekholm-Ceci
Who cares

Hellebuyck
Who cares



Anyone who disagrees with me isn’t a winner.

Atleast be realistic.

Nurse + Campbell for Mackinnon + makar, retained to 50%.

That’s my suggestion.

And then foegele for Devon toews at 50%

 

[Soundwave]

Wow not sure we can agree on this.
What do you suggest we do?

If you don't have a strong no.1 D who is a game changer, and you don't really have a strong D behind even that player, you better for sure have a very solid goalie who can win you some games in the playoffs on their back.

If you don't have either ... well fine, but you don't get to sit there and in the same breath also ask when's a Cup a'coming.

This current Oilers team defensively + in net are still a good notch or two below the 16-17 Oilers, and I'm not even sure that 16-17 team's group was good enough to win a Cup with but I'd definitely trade that group for this one.

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Russell
Nurse Benning

Talbot 2017

Allllllll day >>>>>>

Nurse Ceci
Ekholm Bouchard
Kulak Desharnais

Skinner/Campbell

 

[Anarchism]

If you don't have a strong no.1 D who is a game changer, and you don't really have a strong D behind even that player, you better for sure have a very solid goalie who can win you some games in the playoffs on their back.

If you don't have either ... well fine, but you don't get to sit there and in the same breath also ask when's a Cup a'coming.

This current Oilers team defensively + in net are still a good notch or two below the 16-17 Oilers, and I'm not even sure that 16-17 team's group was good enough to win a Cup with but I'd definitely trade that group for this one.

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Russell
Nurse Benning

Talbot 2017

Allllllll day >>>>>>

Nurse Ceci
Ekholm Bouchard
Kulak Desharnais

Skinner/Campbell

So again ....what do suggest we do?