Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | If Babcock is Our New Coach Will Players Want to Come Here?

[T-Funk]

Nurse gone and new goalie yet? no oil kings or player obsessions from 10 years ago plz

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

McMann did that with Domi as his playmaker, not McDavid. Its also about fit, McMann is a pure sniper who brings speed and physicality. Nuge brings....good vibes?

McMann's career high in points is 46, RNH has topped that 11 times and might of done it even more if not for lockouts and COVID. Also the argument of McMann being way younger and surely he will prove it with time doesn't really hold up, McMann is 30 years old, Nuge is 33.

McMann does good things, he is a good player, but lets settle down, McMann needs to prove he is worthy of the first big contract of his career. IMO the true worth of a player generally isn't found until they have a breakout offensive season that is significant enough that coaches start scouting the player and make adjustments specifically for them, its when the player shows they can overcome those adjustments and still succeed that they are actually a player of note.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Ryan Rishaug just said on GYB that his sense is that Janmark will be back next season. . . .

I was going to say it wouldn't surprise me if Babcock took a liking to him, he's fast, he's smart, and does what he's told.

If he is healthy I think he's still got some NHL years in him, but with us committing to a shutdown 3rd line, I want some offensive pop from our 4th line and I don't see Janmark providing that.

 

[redgrant]

McMann's career high in points is 46, RNH has topped that 11 times and might of done it even more if not for lockouts and COVID. Also the argument of McMann being way younger and surely he will prove it with time doesn't really hold up, McMann is 30 years old, Nuge is 33.

McMann does good things, he is a good player, but lets settle down, McMann needs to prove he is worthy of the first big contract of his career. IMO the true worth of a player generally isn't found until they have a breakout offensive season that is significant enough that coaches start scouting the player and make adjustments specifically for them, its when the player shows they can overcome those adjustments and still succeed that they are actually a player of note.

Agree. He's just the fancy name this season. There are actually 40 goal guys like guntzel or ehlers we never even get a sniff of.

Poor Leon has never had a top line winger his entire career here. We just lie and say mcmann is the answer when he's just the available guy.

 

[guymez]

He also added that Janmark has been playing with a f***ed up shoulder last 2 seasons which is something I didn't know about.

Apparently that's been fixed up via surgery so I guess we will see? At least he's cheap and almost the entire salary can be buried.

Yup. I also heard that injury really affected his shot as well. Quite the warrior for playing through that.
If he comes back 100% from that injury then IMO with his PK ability and defensive awareness he shouldnt be a player anyone is concerned about.

 

[Snipesaitl]

With Nurse moved our top 4 D are locked in at 25.6 Million with room for a #5 LHD who can spot duty in the top 4 ala Kulak

Goalie should be our primary focus in theory but other than 3-5 players who likely aren’t available, you can’t really predict who will be good year to year, maaaybe we could squeeze Saros out of Nashville if we could dump Jarry?

We should take the quantity approach like Vegas did during their cup season and just bring in multiple options and hope one of them hit.

A potential Jarry - Cossa/Levi tandem eerily reminds me of Campbell/Skinner where if Jarry doesn’t bounce back we’d be thrusting an inexperienced goalie into the starter role without any vet insulation and we already saw how that went, need a few contingency options in there.

I like DiPietro as a potential option, 27 YO with .918, .927 and .930 his last three AHL seasons.

 

[Snipesaitl]

I’m still of the thought that the most impactful addition we could make taking cap and asset cost into consideration is another top six forward.

Our GF numbers aren’t a huge concern on the surface but the vast majority of that production is driven by four players. I worry come playoff time if/when the big dogs run into injury trouble and are the other team’s sole focus trying to shut down that we don’t have that extra wave of offense that can take over when needed.

We had a small sample size during the Ducks series where McDavid was MIA and Drai just returning from injury that the depth did perform admirably well but can you rely on that continuing through 4 rounds?

We need our “Kessel” addition, someone who would come in and be our clear third best forward being able to slot in with McDrai, carry a second line if needed or being able to be the offensive engine on a RNH-Dickinson third line, you just have to look at the last two cup winners which had a strong third line as a big part of their success.

Who would be that player? Tuch?, Kyrou?, Tippett?

 

[foshizzle]

Pk?

PK isnt some skill- its strategy and coaching. Anyone can PK

 

[foshizzle]

My youtube algorithm pulls oilers content, and 30% of it is Flames podcasters. How nuts is that? I wonder if there is another example of sports creating intergeneration trauma like this. It should be studied.

I live in Calgary. They are obsessed with the Oilers here. Fun fact- Flames are genuinely concerned about how many young fans are Oilers fans here- which is why these legacy Flames media have such a hate on for the Oilers

 

[guymez]

PK isnt some skill- its strategy and coaching. Anyone can PK

Nope.
A good PK player has to be able to read the play and also (especially as a forward) have the agility to adjust quickly.
Strong defensive awareness (high defensive IQ) si important.

Not any player can PK and there are decades of evidence to support that.

 

[Tarus]

My youtube algorithm pulls oilers content, and 30% of it is Flames podcasters. How nuts is that? I wonder if there is another example of sports creating intergeneration trauma like this. It should be studied.

Algorithms are designed to figure out what you like and who you are as a person and feed you content based around that, it knows you better than you know yourself.

I get all the Oiler podcasts and zero Flames content, so if you're getting a pile of flames podcasters - it's probably because you're secretly a Flames fan and haven't realized it yet. My condolences.

 

[foshizzle]

McMann's career high in points is 46, RNH has topped that 11 times and might of done it even more if not for lockouts and COVID. Also the argument of McMann being way younger and surely he will prove it with time doesn't really hold up, McMann is 30 years old, Nuge is 33.

McMann does good things, he is a good player, but lets settle down, McMann needs to prove he is worthy of the first big contract of his career. IMO the true worth of a player generally isn't found until they have a breakout offensive season that is significant enough that coaches start scouting the player and make adjustments specifically for them, its when the player shows they can overcome those adjustments and still succeed that they are actually a player of note.

How many of those points come on 5v5 though?

 

[Scraping ice]

Yup. I also heard that injury really affected his shot as well. Quite the warrior for playing through that.
If he comes back 100% from that injury then IMO with his PK ability and defensive awareness he shouldnt be a player anyone is concerned about.

4fh line cycle. Needs to get the puck and keep the cycle going. Those wingers take a pounding.
Can a surgically repaired shoulder stand up?
He can skate and he is smart. But does the possiblity of re injury make him upgradeable?

 

[foshizzle]

Nope.
A good PK player has to be able to read the play and also (as a forward) have the agility to adjust quickly.
Strong defensive awareness (high defensive IQ) si important.

Not any player can PK and there are decades of evidence to support that.

Lol- no it isnt! Its all strategy. Josh Freaking Archibald was a premium PK'er. Please post the decades of evidence because it certainly does not exist. You'll find just as many shitty defensive players being good PK'ers as good defensive players. McDavid- not great defensively was one of our best PK'ers this season

 

[guymez]

4fh line cycle. Needs to get the puck and keep the cycle going. Those wingers take a pounding.
Can a surgically repaired shoulder stand up?
He can skate and he is smart. But does the possiblity of re injury make him upgradeable?

Fair question - I guess time will tell. Such a low event player defensively - something this team doesnt have enough of.

 

[guymez]

Lol- no it isnt! Its all strategy. Josh Freaking Archibald was a premium PK'er. Please post the decades of evidence because it certainly does not exist

Sure - okay.
Believe what you want.

Providing a limited example is evidence of nothing.

 

[foshizzle]

Sure - okay.
Believe what you want.

Providing 1 example is evidence of nothing.

Post your decades of evidence

 

[guymez]

Post your decades of evidence

New to the game?
By all means - do better than posingt some analytical outliers that you think support your claim that literally any player can PK.

 

[foshizzle]

New to the game?

Been watching and coaching since the 70s. Are you new? Post your decades or evidence. Im also curious why elite PK'ers Murphy and Dickinson couldnt help this team's PK? Is it because they played a shitty 2x2 neutral zone and got destroyed on entries? Cant be because elite PK'ers were doing it....hmmmm

Edit: you may also want to check elite defensively Janmark's PK data the last 2 years.

 

[foshizzle]

New to the game?
By all means - do better than posingt some analytical outliers that you think support your claim that literally any player can PK.

Still waiting for your decades of evidence. Elite Chicago defensive forwards were 1st on the PK last year

 

[guymez]

Been watching and coaching since the 70s. Are you new? Post your decades or evidence. Im also curious why elite PK'ers Murphy and Dickinson couldnt help this team's PK? Is it because they played a shitty 2x2 neutral zone and got destroyed on entries? Cant be because elite PK'ers were doing it....hmmmm

As I said - feel free to post some analytical outliers to try and support your claim that literally any player can PK.
If you have actually watched the game that long then you know that isnt true.
I have coached a bit as well - The PK isnt just X's and O's and nothing else.

If it was then you could literally rotate players through the PK with the same level of effectiveness.
Some players execute the Pk really well - some dont.

 

[foshizzle]

As I said - feel free to post some analytical outliers to try and support your claim that literally any player can PK.
If you have actually watched the game that long then you know that isnt true.
I have coached a bit as well - The PK isnt just X's and O's and nothing else.

If it was then you could literally rotate players through the PK with the same level of effectiveness.

Its all x and Os and anyone can do it. You can literally rotate players through. I just gave you Chicago and Edmonton this year as a direct example. PK is nothing but staying in your defensive pocket according to strategy. That's why a absolute shitty defensive team can have the best PK in the league- and we take theirn2 best pk'ers and we suck even harder.

 

[guymez]

Its all x and Os and anyone can do it. You can literally rotate players through. I just gave you Chicago and Edmonton this year as a direct example. PK is nothing but staying in your defensive pocket according to strategy. That's why a absolute shitty defensive team can have the best PK in the league- and we take theirn2 best pk'ers and we suck even harder.

If you say so.
I dont agree with you at all. My experience in hockey and watching the game for a few decades suggests otherwise.

According to your perspective - Connor Browns ability on the PK was no different than any other Oilers player. Its just X's and O's.

X's and O's dont account for a players ability to read the play and execute in real time. Some players are very good at that - Brown was a perfect example. Janmark isnt far behind Brown in that regard.

 

[UpHere]

If you say so.
I dont agree with you at all. My experience in hockey and watching the game for a few decades suggests otherwise.

According to your perspective - Connor Browns ability on the PK was no different than any other Oilers player. Its just X's and O's.

X's and O's dont account for a players ability to read the play and execute in real time. Some players are very good at that - Brown was a perfect example. Janmark isnt far behind Brown in that regard.

i agree with this - i always like to find my quickest guys, good edges, good hands and most importantly the instincts to get in the way - not a lot of players have this

 

[guymez]

i agree with this - i always like to find my quickest guys, good edges, good hands and most importantly the instincts to get in the way - not a lot of players have this

100%
The quickness and instinct especially for a forward is really important. So is consistent execution and the willingness to sacrifice.
Not a lot of players are suited for the PK.
If that wasnt true then the PK would always be 100% about structure and that is most definitely not the case at all. Structure is important but its isnt enough in and of itself.

I am more than a little perplexed that there was even any push back on something which seems quite obvious.