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What does Bowman trade for first?

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Oilhawks said:
Too much smoke around the Kane LTIR issue and nary a rumour about actual improvements to the team

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Either Bowman and co. are extremely tight lipped or it's going to be a quiet deadline for the Oilers because there's literally nothing of substance out there about them in on anybody.

In fairness though, there doesn't seem to be many rumors of any kind leaguewide. Calm before the storm?
I wonder if the projected jump in cap is making teams hesitant about trading current contracts as they probably hold more value now, the ones with term at least.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
What part of my post suggests I’m confused? You avoided the question… your lame excuse doesn’t change that.
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Lame excuse?
Quite the opposite actually.
I detailed why 25 games doesnt matter all that much by providing some context.
You seem to think that a sample size that equates to just under 10% of Gibsons work over the last 6 seasons is meaningful.

I am open to changing my mind though so I would love to see your explanation about why you think that 10% (more accurately 9.3%) should matter more than the remaining 90% of his work since 2018/19.
 
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guymez said:
We are talking about a small 25 game sample size here as opposed to much more meaningful 241 games over the previous 5 seasons
So I dont see investigating 25 games as a meaningful exercise.

The bigger question for me is...why did Gibson suck for 5 years?
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Because Eakins is a shit coach for 4 of those years. Worst defensive coach in the history of the Oilers probably the Ducks, .899 and two years over .900 would be higher on a normal team.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
Well we don’t have grass at all when it comes to goaltending.
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But then why make any change at all? Isn't any upgrade a "grass is greener" thing with no guarantee?

There's always risk. Maybe somehow there is something about our team that makes goalies look bad but I'm eager to test that theory. Unlike with Campbell there is actual homework done that suggests Gibson would be a big upgrade. Our team spends money on scouts and stats analysis so there must be some interesting goalie candidates besides Gibson too.
 
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guymez said:
Lame excuse?
Quite the opposite actually.
I detailed why 25 games doesnt matter by providing some context.
You seem to think that a sample size that equates to 10% of Gibsons work over the last 6 seasons is meaningful.

I am open to changing my mind though so I would love to see your explanation about why you think that 10% should change my opinion about the other 90% of his work.
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Maybe we should use Gibsons full career work then?

I’ll tell you what I think. His resurgence this year suggests to me he’s still capable of playing at the level he did before Anaheim went turbo terrible. A level that Skinner has never been able to operate at
 
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McDoused said:
Pagnotta and Lebrun have linked is to Savard, Evans and Armia.

Kypreos linked us to Binnington.

Friedman linked us to Donato and Gibson.
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Awesome- thank you. Savard wouldn't help at all- just wasting assets. We already have too many Donatos. Gibson and Binnington have my ears perked. Anyone who says those two aren't an upgrade on Skinner needs to give their head a shake.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
Maybe we should use Gibsons full career work then?

I’ll tell you what I think. His resurgence this year suggests to me he’s still capable of playing at the level he did before Anaheim went turbo terrible. A level that Skinner has never been able to operate at
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Jack Campbell had a 49 game sample size the year before he arrived in Edmonton...his sv% was 0.914.
Thats even better than John Gibsons 0.911 sv% for 25 games this season and Campbells sv% involved a sample size that was over double the amount of games.
Previous to that Gibsons sv% over 5 seasons was 0.899.

Would you say that 49 games and the 0.914 sv% for Campbell was meaningful?
 
CupofOil said:
Either Bowman and co. are extremely tight lipped or it's going to be a quiet deadline for the Oilers because there's literally nothing of substance out there about them in on anybody.

In fairness though, there doesn't seem to be many rumors of any kind leaguewide. Calm before the storm?
I wonder if the projected jump in cap is making teams hesitant about trading current contracts as they probably hold more value now, the ones with term at least.
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It doesn’t help that almost every team in the East is still in the playoff hunt with less than a week to the deadline. I think there’s probably 6 to 8 teams that will be sellers by Friday.
 
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guymez said:
Jack Campbell had a 49 game sample size the year before he arrived in Edmonton...his sv% was 0.914.
Thats even better than John Gibsons 0.911 sv% for 25 games this season and Campbells sv% involved a sample size that was over double the amount of games.
Previous to that Gibsons sv% over 5 seasons was 0.899.

Would you say that 49 games and the 0.914 sv% for Campbell was meaningful?
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Imo Campbell was a great goalie to try. It was dumb to commit 5 years at 5 million aav though. However many argued that Campbell's deeper stats were full of red flags. There are some red flags with Gibson too but he played a lot more games than Campbell and played on a worse team. With Gibson we'd also be committing to him for just 1.5 years so it's not that much risk
 
guymez said:
Jack Campbell had a 49 game sample size the year before he arrived in Edmonton...his sv% was 0.914.
Thats even better than John Gibsons 0.911 sv% for 25 games this season and Campbells sv% involved a sample size that was over double the amount of games.
Previous to that Gibsons sv% over 5 seasons was 0.899.

Would you say that 49 games and the 0.914 sv% for Campbell was meaningful?
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Blah blah Jack Campbell blah. Just because one goalie didn’t work doesn’t mean we are married to Skinner forever, do you honestly think any other org functions this way?
 
Mr Positive said:
Imo Campbell was a great goalie to try. It was dumb to commit 5 years at 5 million aav though. However many argued that Campbell's deeper stats were full of red flags. There are some red flags with Gibson too but he played a lot more games than Campbell and played on a worse team. With Gibson we'd also be committing to him for just 1.5 years so it's not that much risk
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Yeah the depper stats revealed issues with Campbell so did scouting.
Kevin Woodley talked openly about the Oilers not taking a risk on Campbell at all much less for 5 years.
The 5 year contract was flat out stupid.

With Gibson we have to factor in timing as well because there is the portential to burn another year of the SC window on the basis of a 25 game sample size. Large sample sizes can be very revealing and I just dont see the logic in discarding 5 years of data in favour of a 25 game sample size as if the previous 5 years dont matter.
Doesnt make sense to me at all.
 
Jimmi McJenkins said:
Maybe it's time to go small and largely just quit on things like the team and most of this board has? Save assets and see if they can ride a heater or something.

Make 3 small moves.

To BUF: Kapanen and 3rd

To EDM: Jokiharju(50% on the cap)

To ANA: 3rd & 5th

To EDM: Leason(50% on the cap)

To UTA: Stu Skinner, Arvidsson, 2025 2nd and 2027 2nd

To EDM: Vejmelka (50% on the cap), maccelli and valimaki(minors)


See if this does anything
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Why is Utah trading vejmelka? And why is Buffalo trading jokiharju and retaining for a waiver wire pick up?


Unrealistic and terrible trade proposals
 
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guymez said:
Jack Campbell had a 49 game sample size the year before he arrived in Edmonton...his sv% was 0.914.
Thats even better than John Gibsons 0.911 sv% for 25 games this season and Campbells sv% involved a sample size that was over double the amount of games.
Previous to that Gibsons sv% over 5 seasons was 0.899.

Would you say that 49 games and the 0.914 sv% for Campbell was meaningful?
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This is apples to oranges though. I’m saying Gibsons 25 games this year might suggest he can be back to the elite goaltender he was for 6 seasons.

Campbell was a one hit wonder as a starter and his weak mind ended his career.
 
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