Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | All Star Break Edition

[Canovin]

Wow this is f***ing stupid and misses the point.


It's amazing how one loss in 2 months, that also showcased the team's clear weakness, somehow broke people's brains.


And for anyone who needs to hear it, Ekholm and Bouchard are the top-pair on this team.

Defense is actually Oilers strength the past 2 months. While Ceci is the weakest link. He's the weakest link of a strong defensive team. It's scoring that need more attention. Like others have said, getting Tarasenko will boost this team to new heights.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Defense is actually Oilers strength the past 2 months. While Ceci is the weakest link. He's the weakest link of a strong defensive team. It's scoring that need more attention. Like others have said, getting Tarasenko will boost this team to new heights.

It doesn't matter though, he's the weakest link and it's actually holding back a group.

Look at the winning goal last night, loses a battle, gives away the puck and they provides a screen instead of blocking the shot. Upgrading him take a great defensive team and makes them excellent.

It's not even close it's upgrade to 2RD. You can still got get Tarasenko after if you want, I'm saying the other move take priority.

 

[Soundwave]

Hill is legit. He was the biggest reason they won that game. We need a legit sniper or 2. Having another point threat instead of Ceci wouldn't hurt either.

Well I guess if there's any silver lining at least Team Canada has found its starter for McDavid. "No good Canadian goaltender out there" my ass.

 

[oXo Cube]

As a general rule of thumb if we allow less than 3 goals in a game then we should come out the winner.

Correct. As a general rule of thumb when allowing less than 3 goals in a game we have come out the winner.

When you pull your goalie because you are losing 2-1 late the fault of the loss isn't the defense.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Wow this is f***ing stupid and misses the point.


It's amazing how one loss in 2 months, that also showcased the team's clear weakness, somehow broke people's brains.


And for anyone who needs to hear it, Ekholm and Bouchard are the top-pair on this team.

Yes, and kulak desharnais are the bottom pair.

Defense was much less of an issue this game than the forwards.

Score 1 goal and we blame the defense, you sure you should be questioning peoples brains?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Well I guess if there's any silver lining at least Team Canada has found its starter for McDavid. "No good Canadian goaltender out there" my ass.

If he stays healthy and continues at this level he's the clear #1.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

It doesn't matter though, he's the weakest link and it's actually holding back a group.

Look at the winning goal last night, loses a battle, gives away the puck and they provides a screen instead of blocking the shot. Upgrading him take a great defensive team and makes them excellent.

It's not even close it's upgrade to 2RD. You can still got get Tarasenko after if you want, I'm saying the other move take priority.

Look at the tying goal, replace ekholm too.

 

[mkatcherin00]

It's going to be a daunting task to beat them in a playoff round. We gave them almost nothing last night and they still capitalized on the few mistakes we did make and the other end, they are just a force defensively with Hill in net. And they had no Eichel or Theodore in either.

I don't think I've seen a team in the last 10 years that is as good defensively + has a goalie that good in tandem. When you do get past their D some how, Hill looks like he's 6 foot 10 in net and be opportunistic.

Our "we blew that chance, or over passed on that play, no biggie" style of offence through a volume of chances really doesn't work well against their style either. You can't leave chances on the table against them, you have to capitalize.

We need to like somehow add Tarasenko (sniper), Tanev (Ceci replacement), MAF (goalie wildcard).

How did we get so many Grade AAA chances and open nets if they are a juggernaut defensively?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yes, and kulak desharnais are the bottom pair.

They absolutely are, they aren't being sheltered and are putting up excellent results. Their success has made life easier for the rest of the group because they can be trusted in all situations.

Defense was much less of an issue this game than the forwards.

In terms of finishing sure, but one defenseman was a major reason the game winner went it, and that same defenseman that has clearly been identified as a point that needs to be upgraded. Last night totally confirmed this.

Score 1 goal and we blame the defense, you sure you should be questioning peoples brains?

No one is blaming the defense, it's a game of inches and bounces. The team needed to finish some finish offensively.

This does not change the reality of needing an upgrade at 2RD to take this team to the next level. If you're take away from last night or this year or this team, is the defense is fine, you probably need to look harder.

Look at the tying goal, replace ekholm too.

Totally, I said the same thing at the time, Ekholm lost position and a rebound was banged in. He, was very good the rest of the night.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Correct. As a general rule of thumb when allowing less than 3 goals in a game we have come out the winner.

When you pull your goalie because you are losing 2-1 late the fault of the loss isn't the defense.

But the playoffs typically mirror that type of play and if you have a weak link on D or in goal it will be exploited. Last night we saw Skinner handle the puck more than he did in most if not all of the winning streak. If you play against a top goalie like Hill, Demko, Vasilevsky, etc. every goal matters on both sides because you have to earn everything against them. They rarely give up softies.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

They absolutely are, they aren't being sheltered and are putting up excellent results. Their success has made life easier for the rest of the group because they can be trusted in all situations.

In terms of finishing sure, but one defenseman was a major reason the game winner went it, and that same defenseman that has clearly been identified as a point that needs to be upgraded. Last night totally confirmed this.


No one is blaming the defense, it's a game of inches and bounces. The team needed to finish some finish offensively.

This does not change the reality of needing an upgrade at 2RD to take this team to the next level. If you're take away from last night or this year or this team, is the defense is fine, you probably need to look harder.


Totally, I said the same thing at the time, Ekholm lost position and a rebound was banged in. He, was very good the rest of the night.

And another D man was the main reason the tying goal went in.

Should we upgrade him too?

Apologies didn’t see the edit fast enough, you covered this.

I think ceci should only be upgraded on if it’s a clear upgrade, I think a tarasenko or guentzel would improve the team more than a slight upgrade.

Throw the house at Ottawa for Zub.

 

[Kwiatkowski18]

It was 1 loss boys and girls. 1 loss dictated by Hill standing on his head that entire game. It's like most of you have never watched a full season and have never seen a goalie steal a game. We were the better team for most of that game and we destroyed them in the second. The amount of over reaction here is hilarious.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Look at the tying goal, replace ekholm too.

That was a poor job by Ekholm, that said he's very good more often than not.

 

[Soundwave]

How did we get so many Grade AAA chances and open nets if they are a juggernaut defensively?

We don't get that many AAA open looks. Even the Draisaitl miss, two Vegas players were on his ass and he was angled out at a very sharp angle, that's not as clean of a look as people think.

Even when McDavid is able to shake them out of their coverage (it's usually McDavid as the only one doing it), they recover fast.

At some point you just have to tip your hat I guess. They play D about as well as I've seen it played by any team. Even their bottom pairing has sticks in passing lanes, bodies in passing lane, almost non-stop. And then when you do get a good look, you have Hill to deal with.

And they didn't even have arguably their best D (Theodore) in last night. It doesn't change how they play at all.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It was 1 loss boys and girls. 1 loss dictated by Hill standing on his head that entire game. It's like most of you have never watched a full season and have never seen a goalie steal a game. We were the better team for most of that game and we destroyed them in the second. The amount of over reaction here is hilarious.

That's the team that sent us home last year and one that we'll have to get through if we want to win the cup. They are the measuring stick in our division and we fell short. Winning streak be damned, the cup is what matters the most and it goes through Vegas.

 

[Canovin]

It doesn't matter though, he's the weakest link and it's actually holding back a group.

Look at the winning goal last night, loses a battle, gives away the puck and they provides a screen instead of blocking the shot. Upgrading him take a great defensive team and makes them excellent.

It's not even close it's upgrade to 2RD. You can still got get Tarasenko after if you want, I'm saying the other move take priority.

If the Oilers played defense the way they did yesterday, they most likely win more games than lose games. The issue yesterday was we lack offense and it showed. Foegele, Kane, Drai, RNH and the bottom 6 couldn't generate anything

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I know everyone is looking at the defense today after the loss against Vegas. However, i'd like to point out that their middle 6 came through while ours didn't.

We needed a goal from someone like Foegele, McLeod or Brown and to me that was the difference. Not the picky small mistakes our defensive coverage made that led to two goals.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If the Oilers played defense the way they did yesterday, they most likely win more games than lose games. The issue yesterday was we lack offense and it showed. Foegele, Kane, Drai, RNH and the bottom 6 couldn't generate anything

Totally, if the Oilers upgrade Ceci, they will play even better and be able to generate more offense. It's a win-win.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

That's the team that sent us home last year and one that we'll have to get through if we want to win the cup. They are the measuring stick in our division and we fell short. Winning streak be damned, the cup is what matters the most and it goes through Vegas.

We’ve also beaten them this year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I know everyone is looking at the defense today after the loss against Vegas. However, i'd like to point out that their middle 6 came through while ours didn't.

We needed a goal from someone like Foegele, McLeod or Brown and to me that was the difference. Not the picky small mistakes our defensive coverage made that led to two goals.

No, Roy is basically playing on their top-line and Stephenson is a top-6 forward.

The Oilers as a whole need to find ways to score on their chances.

 

[McAsuno]

For the team to go through a deep playoff run, both top 6 scoring winger and 2RHD needs to be looked at.
Ceci is the weakest link on the oilers D. Yes, the Oilers went through one of the best streaks allowing little goals, but come playoff time, this team can't afford to have the pairing of Nurse + Ceci to get feasted upon again. Then they also need a legitimate scoring winger for the top 6.

It sucks losing last night especially to Vegas, but it also shows that having a new top 6 scoring winger and 2RHD changes the complexion of this team dramatically.

 

[oXo Cube]

But the playoffs typically mirror that type of play and if you have a weak link on D or in goal it will be exploited. Last night we saw Skinner handle the puck more than he did in most if not all of the winning streak. If you play against a top goalie like Hill, Demko, Vasilevsky, etc. every goal matters on both sides because you have to earn everything against them. They rarely give up softies.

The Oilers didn't give up any softies last night. In fact they barely gave up anything. They lost the game because in 54:56 of ESTOI they scored 0 goals.

We have no second line right now and it killed us.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Make of it what you will, but this is where Jeff Jackson came from?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Of course you still try your best. It's not like effort has been an issue for us, we play as hard as we can against them, I don't think anyone can say we haven't given our 100% effort against them. The team had given it their all against them the 5 times we've played a Hill version of them, but we just can't get any traction.

We get a 1 goal lead early on maybe and then they just shut the door and wait for us to make a mistake and take advantage.

No one seems to have an answer for them, Vancouver got slapped silly by them and had no answers for Hill either the one time they played.

You’re acting like it’s a chasm of difference between these two teams when really the difference is razor thin, it doesn’t take much for that to reverse, especially when you consider the age of Vegas best players and the fact that long seasons are likely to wear on them more.

This reminds me a lot of the year before last where Markstrom and Calgary had our number in the regular season, we got them in the second round and many fans didn’t think we had a chance. They beat us first game and everyone melted down and then we came back and beat them four straight and have owned them ever since.

When things are this close it doesn’t take much for trends to reverse.

 

[Soundwave]

You’re acting like it’s a chasm of difference between these two teams when really the difference is razor thin, it doesn’t take much for that to reverse, especially when you consider the age of Vegas best players and the fact that long seasons are likely to wear on them more.

This reminds me a lot of the year before last where Markstrom and Calgary had our number in the regular season, we got them in the second round and many fans didn’t think we had a chance. They beat us first game and everyone melted down and then we came back and beat them four straight and have owned them ever since.

When things are this close it doesn’t take much for trends to reverse.

The thing is it's not just us that Hill has been killing. I posted this in the other thread, but these are his numbers against the top teams he's played this year:

This season Adin Hill

1.000 save percentage versus Vancouver
1.000 save percentage versus Colorado
0.968 versus Edmonton
0. 946 versus Dallas (2 games)
0.947 versus NYR

Against Colorado the dude put up a 41 save shut out. His numbers go *up* against the best teams somehow.

Either this is the greatest goaltender heater in the history of the sport and this guy is the luckiest goalie to ever play or something else is happening here, like a new goaltending superstar is establishing himself. Because otherwise I can't explain this at all, even Binnington and Ward had a significant drop off after their Cup wins.