Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | All Star Break Edition

[CycloneSweep]

I honestly don't see much wrong with that contract. The major issue is of course term but the cap hit is actually quite attractive for right now and probably for the next 4 years if he is healthy. He's only 30. And if the cap rises as it looks like it probably will by that time you are probably looking at $4.5M+ for a solid #4 RHD.

As long as his back issues don’t return

 

[mkatcherin00]

That 2nd GA tonight was all on Ceci. Her shit the bed so Foegele felt the need to abandon his post to try and cover for Ceci's blunder. One big problem I felt that we had was an inability to break out cleanly and crisply. Lots of botched passes and reads that started with some of our D.

It was like playing LA, except Vegas would go 1-4

 

[Fourier]

As long as his back issues don’t return

That's the risk. As someone who deals with back issues I am probably more sensitive than many to this risk. But as @Behind Enemy Lines has pointed out he has been very reliable for a few years now.

What I am not sure about is the timing of a move for a guy like Parayko. At the deadline there may be other options that are also as consequential but are less costly. Parayko could be an add in the off season when costs seem to be less.

 

[CupofOil]

It's funny that the exact weaknesses that hampered the Oilers against Vegas in the playoffs showed up again last night. Top 6 goal scorer and Ceci. Struggled to beat Hill and the Ceci pairing AGAIN got scored on.

Since this is the team the Oilers have to beat in the playoffs whether it's 1st round or 2nd round, they're going to have to address one of these needs. I think they can beat Vegas even with the team as is but I wouldn't risk in a win now season if I was Holland.

Personally, I'd put my chips on the table for Parayko if St. Louis somehow makes him available. I feel like this is the only realistic option that would have the biggest impact, contract be damned. Need to hope for the Blues to lose a lot of games in the next month. I don't expect a move quite this big but that's the real needle mover now and the next few years.

 

[Soundwave]

It's funny that the exact weaknesses that hampered the Oilers against Vegas in the playoffs showed up again last night. Top 6 goal scorer and Ceci. Struggled to beat Hill and the Ceci pairing AGAIN got scored on.

Since this is the team the Oilers have to beat in the playoffs whether it's 1st round or 2nd round, they're going to have to address one of these needs. I think they can beat Vegas even with the team as is but I wouldn't risk in a win now season if I was Holland.

Personally, I'd put my chips on the table for Parayko if St. Louis somehow makes him available. I feel like this is the only realistic option that would have the biggest impact, contract be damned. Need to hope for the Blues to lose a lot of games in the next month. I don't expect a move quite this big but that's the real needle mover now and the next few years.

It feels to me like no one has shown they can score/beat them with Hill in net.

13-2-2 record this year, what was his playoff record? Through 3 playoff rounds last year, he only lost 4 times total, in our series, we only beat him 1 time after he entered the series.

We've played the Knights with Hill in five games from last playoffs onwards and lost 4/5 times.

I'm not sure anyone can beat these guys right now, beating them 4 out of 7 games is going to be tall order. They were already a good team before, they managed to somehow add a goalie that plays at a .935 rate for them. We need some adds at the deadline that would change this dynamic.

 

[McBooya42]

Nurse-Ceci is an above average top pairing.

As for our #3C, we don't even know who that is and right now that spot is kind of below average.

Are you high?

The Edmonton Oilers could be one upgrade away from having among the strongest defensive cores in the NHL

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[KeithIsActuallyBad]

My kingdom for a one shot scorer.

And yeah, Ceci is not a top 4 D and never will be. That pairing is good for one GA a game.

 

[Canovin]

Are you high?

The Edmonton Oilers could be one upgrade away from having among the strongest defensive cores in the NHL

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Name 16 other pairing in the league that is better

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Name 16 other pairing in the league that is better

They're not even the best pairing on their own team. Or even the second best.

 

[Canovin]

They're not even the best pairing on their own team. Or even the second best.

Where's the other 15?

My kingdom for a one shot scorer.

And yeah, Ceci is not a top 4 D and never will be. That pairing is good for one GA a game.

Were the Oilers supposed to shut out teams every game? 1 lost and to Vegas and people are screaming

 

[McBooya42]

Name 16 other pairing in the league that is better

I don't have time for that shit - the first ten are in the link. How about you back up your statement with proof, since you're the one with the claim? Ceci is dragging that pairing down, and it's obvious with both the eye test and the fancy stats. Get a dependable RHD that works with Nurse's strengths and we'd be in business.

 

[Canovin]

I don't have time for that shit - the first ten is in the link. How about you back up your statement with proof, since you're the one with the claim? Ceci is dragging that pairing down, and it's obvious with both the eye test and the fancy stats. Get a dependable RHD that works with Nurse's strengths and we'd be in business.

The 10 you included includes Kulak-Desharnais who plays 13 mins a night and plays against the easiest draws. Not sure how you can conclude they are better than Nurse-Ceci who plays 21 mins. Sorry man, I stopped reading there.

So no 16 teams that can draw in for 21 mins+ against team toughest draws and do better than Nurse-Ceci?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Name 16 other pairing in the league that is better

Then Ceci and Nurse? At playing defense?

Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais
Makar-Toews
Forsling-Ekblad
Slavin-Burns
Sanderson-Zub
McNabb-Theodore


I'll stop there, because I don't have time for this, but Ceci is clearly the weakest link, upgrading him should absolutely be priority #1.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Where's the other 15?


Were the Oilers supposed to shut out teams every game? 1 lost and to Vegas and people are screaming

Well, 14 for starters, but the top 2 pairings on most contenders would be an answer.

I'm not screaming but if this team is going to win it all they have to go through Vegas.

 

[McBooya42]

The 10 you included includes Kulak-Desharnais who plays 13 mins a night and plays against the easiest draws. Not sure how you can conclude they are better than Nurse-Ceci who plays 21 mins. Sorry man, I stopped reading there.

So no 16 teams that can draw in for 21 mins+ against team toughest draws and do better than Nurse-Ceci?

You asked for other pairings, got it, then dismissed it because it breaks your narrative. Ok, so you decided to move the goal posts instead of taking the L.

Also, once again....you made the claim that they are an above average D pairing in the league. Prove it.

 

[Canovin]

You asked for other pairings, got it, then dismissed it because it breaks your narrative. Ok.

Also, once again....you made the claim that they are an above average D pairing in the league. Prove it.

It broke my narrative?

I said above average top pairing D. You claim Kulak-Desharnais who plays 3rd pairing minute against teams easiest opponent is better. Of course they're going to look good. You're the one not understanding what I meant.

I can't think of any 16 top pairing D in the league that is better than Nurse-Ceci.

 

[Soundwave]

It's going to be a daunting task to beat them in a playoff round. We gave them almost nothing last night and they still capitalized on the few mistakes we did make and the other end, they are just a force defensively with Hill in net. And they had no Eichel or Theodore in either.

I don't think I've seen a team in the last 10 years that is as good defensively + has a goalie that good in tandem. When you do get past their D some how, Hill looks like he's 6 foot 10 in net and be opportunistic.

Our "we blew that chance, or over passed on that play, no biggie" style of offence through a volume of chances really doesn't work well against their style either. You can't leave chances on the table against them, you have to capitalize.

We need to like somehow add Tarasenko (sniper), Tanev (Ceci replacement), MAF (goalie wildcard).

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It's going to be a daunting task to beat them in a playoff round. We gave them almost nothing last night and they still capitalized on the few mistakes we did make and the other end, they are just a force defensively with Hill in net. And they had no Eichel or Theodore in either.

Honestly, given all that, might be time to just pack it in, the climb looks impossible.

 

[Canovin]

What I saw yesterday outside of the Drai pass to Kane, Drai's line was really ineffective. I still think that's our biggest need is to get a guy that can get Drai's line going. Konecny/Tarasenko/Giroux etc. We can't keep winning with McDavid taking over games. We also need Boone Jenner to get the 3rd line going as well.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What I saw yesterday outside of the Drai pass to Kane, Drai's line was really ineffective. I still think that's our biggest need is to get a guy that can get Drai's line going. Konecny/Tarasenko/Giroux. We can't keep winning with McDavid taking over games. We also need Boone Jenner to get the 3rd line going as well.

That is a huge need too, but, basically, more easily fillable. Upgrading Ceci will have a larger impact and is tougher to get right.

 

[Soundwave]

Honestly, given all that, might be time to just pack it in, the climb looks impossible.

I'm not sure if anyone can break their defensive shell and break Hill on top of that.

They're about as good of a back end as any Cup winner I've seen in the last 10 years, we can't get any offence going against them with Hill in net and it's the same story for pretty much everyone else since the playoffs last year.

Even 2022 Colorado we were able to at least score against them without anywhere near this much fuss.

They are just a juggernaut of a team. Deep forward group, 1-6 their D it's very hard to draw any of them out of position and when they do make a mistake, Hill is a giant in net.

Of course we'll try our best, but man, they are an absolute wagon of a team with Hill in.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm not sure if anyone can break their defensive shell and break Hill on top of that.

Yeah, I think you're overreacting alot. The Oilers had little finish, but created alot of chances.

They also held the Knights to next to nothing, so it's probably a case where a bounce here or a better placed shot there, the game goes in a different direction.

If, after 16 wins in a row and the effort last night, you think it's hopeless for this team, that might be something you need to look at in yourself.

 

[Paralyzer]

I agree we need to upgrade on Ceci, but it has to be a CLEAR upgrade. Not like a David Savard kind of upgrade, more like a Parayko kind of upgrade. I'm done with trying to trade for dmen who make us just a BIT better, but it's still far from getting over the top.

 

[Canovin]

That is a huge need too, but, basically, more easily fillable. Upgrading Ceci will have a larger impact and is tougher to get right.

We have trouble putting shots on net. We are not scoring on Hill if he's not seeing high scoring chances. We need more offense. While was Ceci is the weakest link, Vegas didn't penetrate us as easy. But they were able to capitalize on the little chances they got.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I agree we need to upgrade on Ceci, but it has to be a CLEAR upgrade. Not like a David Savard kind of upgrade, more like a Parayko kind of upgrade. I'm done with trying to trade for dmen who make us just a BIT better, but it's still far from getting over the top.

Like Parayko, but won't decline as quickly and destroy the cap, so Zub.

I'm ALL IN for over paying Ottawa for Zub.

We have trouble putting shots on net. We are not scoring on Hill if he's not seeing high scoring chances. We need more offense. While was Ceci is the weakest link, Vegas didn't penetrate us as easy. But they were able to capitalize on the little chances they got.

They don't though, they outshoot and out chanced the Knights. And a better defenseman than Ceci helps with the shots as well.

So again, upgrading Ceci priority #1.