Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | All Star Break Edition

[Canovin]

I agree we need to upgrade on Ceci, but it has to be a CLEAR upgrade. Not like a David Savard kind of upgrade, more like a Parayko kind of upgrade. I'm done with trying to trade for dmen who make us just a BIT better, but it's still far from getting over the top.

100%. Parayko is a clear upgrade on Ceci but very difficult to make it work.

Tarasenko is a much easier get and is a clear upgrade on Foegele and it's not close.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I don’t know how to link the TOI chart from NHL.com from my phone, but it shows him taking his usual five shifts in the 3rd in both those games. There’s a gap in the second period during the LA game, but I’m guessing that’s because there were like 8 penalties that period.

So the coaching staff doesn’t trust him to PK?

 

[oXo Cube]

Really feel like the Oilers should be a lot more linked to Tarasenko then they have been. How is he not exactly what the media has been saying we're looking for?

Waiting this month out is going to suuuuuuuuck.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah, I think you're overreacting alot. The Oilers had little finish, but created alot of chances.

They also held the Knights to next to nothing, so it's probably a case where a bounce here or a better placed shot there, the game goes in a different direction.

If, after 16 wins in a row and the effort last night, you think it's hopeless for this team, that might be something you need to look at in yourself.

We've played Hill 5 times now, we've lost 4/5 of those games.

It's not like we haven't been trying 100% in those games either.

Our offense again last night, 5 on 5 ... nothing doing.

Even on things like the Draisaitl empty net chance, their D played that fairly well, there were 2 Vegas players on top of Draisaitl that pushed him to a weird angle and then rushed the shot. They just don't give us any clean looks and when they do, Hill is there.

It's not just us either, as far as I can tell no one has gotten any traction against them with Hill in. They shredded us from game 3 on when he came in, destroyed Dallas, and destroyed Florida too. This year he's 13-2-2 or whatever it is. If anyone has answers for this team, I'm not seeing it yet.

They spanked Vancouver the one game they played them too, and looking at that game, looks like Thompson allowed 1 goal, got hurt or something and then Hill comes in and then shuts them out for the rest of the game. They win 4-1.

 

[McDNicks17]

So the coaching staff doesn’t trust him to PK?

Or they have four better PKers?...

 

[Paralyzer]

100%. Parayko is a clear upgrade on Ceci but very difficult to make it work.

Tarasenko is a much easier get and is a clear upgrade on Foegele and it's not close.

I agree. I just hate reading the Habs forum with them making goo-goo-gaa-gaa over Savard like he's some god on skates. His numbers are similar to worse to Ceci. And they think because he's got Cup Experience, he's worth more than a 1st+ top prospect. No thank you.

 

[stewy04]

I agree. I just hate reading the Habs forum with them making goo-goo-gaa-gaa over Savard like he's some god on skates. His numbers are similar to worse to Ceci. And they think because he's got Cup Experience, he's worth more than a 1st+ top prospect. No thank you.

Maybe we should prop up our players just a little instead of throwing them all under the bus and then wondering why we don't get assets back? It's the media as well.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Then Ceci and Nurse? At playing defense?

Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais
Makar-Toews
Forsling-Ekblad
Slavin-Burns
Sanderson-Zub
McNabb-Theodore


I'll stop there, because I don't have time for this, but Ceci is clearly the weakest link, upgrading him should absolutely be priority #1.

Kulak and desharnais aren’t better than nurse and ceci.

If they were, they wouldn’t get significantly less minutes.

This is the same arguments people make when 3rd and 4th liners have good stats per 60 to say they’re better than top liners.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We've played Hill 5 times now, we've lost 4/5 of those games.

It's not like we haven't been trying 100% in those games either.

Our offense again last night, 5 on 5 ... nothing doing.

Even on things like the Draisaitl empty net chance, their D played that fairly well, there were 2 Vegas players on top of Draisaitl that pushed him to a weird angle and then rushed the shot. They just don't give us any clean looks and when they do, Hill is there.

It's not just us either, as far as I can tell no one has gotten any traction against them with Hill in. They shredded us from game 3 on when he came in, destroyed Dallas, and destroyed Florida too. This year he's 13-2-2 or whatever it is. If anyone has answers for this team, I'm not seeing it yet.

Ok, then it's hopeless. Probably best to treat it as such and then you don't have to worry as much about all of it, because it will not be possible for them to win.

 

[stewy04]

Maybe we should prop up our players just a little instead of throwing them all under the bus and then wondering why we don't get assets back? It's the media as well.

This isn't just a Ceci thing and I'm not mad at you I'm just saying

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Kulak and desharnais aren’t better than nurse and ceci.

If they were, they wouldn’t get significantly less minutes.

This is the same arguments people make when 3rd and 4th liners have good stats per 60 to say they’re better than top liners.

Kulak and Desharnais are absolutely putting up better results, only 1 pair wasn't on for goal last night.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Kulak and Desharnais are absolutely putting up better results, only 1 pair wasn't on for goal last night.

So I guess our coach is dumb and should pump them up to 22 minutes.

I’m sure they’ll maintain it

 

[Paralyzer]

This isn't just a Ceci thing and I'm not mad at you I'm just saying

No no. I got what you meant. You're right that people tend to over-blow about Ceci, and yes, he isn't a Top pairing dman, but he is good to add in a pinch, but he can't be relied on to be up there all the time.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So I guess our coach is dumb and should pump them up to 22 minutes.

I’m sure they’ll maintain it

Not really the point, I didn't say they were playing the same minutes, I understand Nurse and Ceci see more time, but the results that Kulak and Desharnais are putting up, without getting sheltered, aren't just "slightly" better.

And the lower results relate to one player in that 2nd pair.

 

[Heavy Dee]

What I saw yesterday outside of the Drai pass to Kane, Drai's line was really ineffective. I still think that's our biggest need is to get a guy that can get Drai's line going. Konecny/Tarasenko/Giroux etc. We can't keep winning with McDavid taking over games. We also need Boone Jenner to get the 3rd line going as well.

Kane is no longer a top six forward in this league. Nor is Foegele on a cup contender. That's a problem come playoffs.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Give me someone with term

Parayko, Konecny, Jenner, ..

 

[oXo Cube]

I get and agree that Ceci is a clear weak link, but last night is the first time we've given up more than 2 goals in over a month. This team plays elite defense. It has a much bigger issue with depth scoring.

McDavid has a point on our last 8 goals and Draisaitl has a point on 7 of them.

 

[Soundwave]

Ok, then it's hopeless. Probably best to treat it as such and then you don't have to worry as much about all of it, because it will not be possible for them to win.

Of course you still try your best. It's not like effort has been an issue for us, we play as hard as we can against them, I don't think anyone can say we haven't given our 100% effort against them. The team had given it their all against them the 5 times we've played a Hill version of them, but we just can't get any traction.

We get a 1 goal lead early on maybe and then they just shut the door and wait for us to make a mistake and take advantage.

No one seems to have an answer for them, Vancouver got slapped silly by them and had no answers for Hill either the one time they played.

 

[Canovin]

So I guess our coach is dumb and should pump them up to 22 minutes.

I’m sure they’ll maintain it

13 mins a night Kulak-Desharnais is our new top pairing D lol

 

[Paralyzer]

Kane is no longer a top six forward in this league. Nor is Foegele on a cup contender. That's a problem come playoffs.

He also just had a hand injury that he was told it could take years for him to be back to normal again. So it's not like he can't regain it back.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

13 mins a night Kulak-Desharnais is our new top pairing D lol

Wow this is f***ing stupid and misses the point.


It's amazing how one loss in 2 months, that also showcased the team's clear weakness, somehow broke people's brains.


And for anyone who needs to hear it, Ekholm and Bouchard are the top-pair on this team.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I get and agree that Ceci is a clear weak link, but tonight is the first time we've given up more than 2 goals in over a month. This team plays elite defense. It has a much bigger issue with depth scoring.

McDavid has a point on our last 8 goals and Draisaitl has a point on 7 of them.

As a general rule of thumb if we allow less than 3 goals in a game then we should come out the winner.

 

[Soundwave]

Kane is no longer a top six forward in this league. Nor is Foegele on a cup contender. That's a problem come playoffs.

Hyman and Draisaitl don't seem to be able to get anything going against Hill either.

5 games now, 1 goal for Hyman, 0 for Draisaitl, 0 for Kane. Foegele actually has 2 goals against him, but you're right, he's not a top 6 forward on a cup contender.

McDavid has 4 goals in 5 games against Hill, the rest of our forward group is having massive problems get the puck past their D and past him.

But I guess show me any forward group that's been able to get a lot against him since the playoffs last year. There isn't one. Against Vancouver this year, Hill came into a game and shut them out.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kane is no longer a top six forward in this league. Nor is Foegele on a cup contender. That's a problem come playoffs.

I was hoping that the break would benefit Kane and that if he was nursing an injury that he'd heal up nicely and be ready to start rolling again. Unfortunately that didn't look the case. And Foegele disappears when we play bigger teams. The reality is that we could use a true one shot scorer (can Lavoie get a chance already?), an upgrade on Ceci and an improvement on at least 1 of Brown and Janmark as well as an upgrade in net.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Hyman and Draisaitl don't seem to be able to get anything going against Hill either.

5 games now, 1 goal for Hyman, 0 for Draisaitl, 0 for Kane. Foegele actually has 2 goals against him, but you're right, he's not a top 6 forward on a cup contender.

McDavid has 4 goals in 5 games against Hill, the rest of our forward group is having massive problems get the puck past their D and past him.

But I guess show me any forward group that's been able to get a lot against him since the playoffs last year. There isn't one. Against Vancouver this year, Hill came into a game and shut them out.

Hill is legit. He was the biggest reason they won that game. We need a legit sniper or 2. Having another point threat instead of Ceci wouldn't hurt either.