Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: “I’d buy that for a dollar!!!” Edition

[yukoner88]

Conroy gets a no name russian dman as part of the return. He is loving them russians

He's Russian that team into the sewers

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Listening back to Oilers Now pod Friedman said that we aren't in on Guentzel. We were but "realized we couldn't do it".

 

[WEMCHUD]

Vegas cheaters should should be called out for their convenient cap circumvention

That year they failed to trade dadonov away so they couldn't activate mark stone until some more players were conveniently eligible for ltir.

Not suspicious at all.

 

[Oilhawks]

Its would make sense. There's no reason to pay a premium for all that retention if you aren't planning on using all of the cap.

I agree, but heard somewhere that they could still just use the flexibility to bring Gagner back up or bring up Broberg. idk

Still seems like there is more cap than they would need for that

 

[Kolja]

Would Erik Johnson make sense?

Plays right, if Buffalo retains it should be feasible. Veteran. Should be an upgrade on CC?

 

[majormajor]

Would Erik Johnson make sense?

Plays right, if Buffalo retains it should be feasible. Veteran. Should be an upgrade on CC?

EJ is worse than Ceci at this point.

Provorov is better, but he's LHD, and Jensen I don't know as well and I'm not sure if he's available. But hypothetically, if Jensen is a big upgrade on Ceci, then pay whatever it takes.

 

[WEMCHUD]

My chiro was saying the oilers were getting edmundson.

But I haven't seen a lot of news on him...

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

 

[bellagiobob]

I'd like to see the removal of all No Trade and No Move clauses, along with guaranteed contracts, and don't penalize teams for buyouts.

In exchange give the players the removal of the salary cap and escrow replaced by a form of luxury tax.

As much as players hate escrow, I think that even the mention of the removal of guaranteed contracts is going to get you a long, blank stare. Thats the sacred cow the players will never let go.

 

[Tarus]

I don't think a winger upgrade can paper over the lack of a Ceci replacement, unless that player is a possession monster (flirting with 60% CF%), if push comes to shove we might have to try and change the nature of the pairing. Like the Nurse- Ceci pairing has gone into a lot of tough defensive match-ups in the playoffs and keeps coming out on the losing end, for example I would consider Colin Miller a modest downgrade on Ceci, but if we ran a Nurse - Miller pairing the transition game would likely improve and we'd likely be on the attack more often, even if the actual defending might be even worse, we would be better equipped to hide from that weakness rather than play into it.

In terms of our prior playoff losses I think you learned the wrong lessons from them. The Colorado series was lost entirely by the gap in quality between their D and our D, they were also absolute beasts on transition that we could not hope to match, our ability transition from offense to defense and defense to offense was nowhere close to them. With the VGK loss that was primarily a goalie gap, but they also laid a whooping on us 5 v 5 mostly from the Eichel line beating on every line (though McLeod did alright into the match-up), it also highlighted our buy-in to a team defensive game didn't match their buy-in and they exploited holes in our man-to-man defensive structure.

I would love a Ceci upgrade, would even be happy with a side-grade for a more stable defensive player, but it doesn't look like that is possible this trade deadline. If that isn't possible, then you have look at other things you can fix, like that gaping hole in the top six that's been there all year. Just so happens to be some very good players available who could slot in there nicely.

As for prior playoff losses, there were many lessons to be learned from them, not just the ones you listed. Edmonton was severely outclassed by Colorado's defense two years ago(especially sans Ekholm), but Colorado had 3 lines that absolutely blitzed Edmonton to the point they were non-competitive for long stretches. Even in the post-series discussions, the players talked about how Colorado just came at them in waves(aka, superior depth, superior middle six talent, superior defensive core and transition, they were stacked that year). VGK series had issues with the systems play and a goaltending gap, but another prominent story out of that series was the banged up and ineffective Hyman/Kane/RNH trio in the top 6, a completely absent bottom 6, and non-existent 5v5 scoring. Series could have gone the Oiler's way quite easily if they had any semblance of secondary scoring last year.

In an ideal world, upgrade the defense, absolutely. Non ideal world, go into the playoffs with the best possible roster with as much depth you can muster imo.

 

[Fourier]

How much better is Henrique than Bjugstad?

He scores a bit more, but he’s smaller and older… not sure how their defensive games match up?

Hopefully Henrique has a bigger impact in the playoffs.

Very different tier of player. Bjugstad had been strictly a bottom 6 forward for years. Henrique is a legitimate top six forward. Henrique is also a goal scorer more than a playmaker. He has 59 goals in his last 180 games with the Ducks.

 

[McFlyingV]

Very different tier of player. Bjugstad had been strictly a bottom 6 forward for years. Henrique is a legitimate top six forward. Henrique is also a goal scorer more than a playmaker. He has 59 goals in his last 180 games with the Ducks.

Henrique has a pretty diverse offensive skill set. Nice set of hands around the net. A good shot that can beat goalies even from medium danger areas. Very smart player around the net, and is pretty good at tipping point shots and cleaning up garbage.

Best thing about Henrique is he's a pretty pluggable player. I think he's a very safe deadline acquisition because his skillset works with a lot of different player types. You shouldn't have to worry about him needing to build chemistry because he's just a smart player that does the little things right. Usually those guys slide into a new line-up seamlessly.

 

[Fourier]

Henrique has a pretty diverse offensive skill set. Nice set of hands around the net. A good shot that can beat goalies even from medium danger areas. Very smart player around the net, and is pretty good at tipping point shots and cleaning up garbage.

Best thing about Henrique is he's a pretty pluggable player. I think he's a very safe deadline acquisition because his skillset works with a lot of different player types. You shouldn't have to worry about him needing to build chemistry because he's just a smart player that does the little things right. Usually those guys slide into a new line-up seamlessly.

I watched a lot of Henrique in his last year in Windsor. He was a smart player for sure. This really helps playing with creative talent.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Holland is definitely cooking up something. Bringing in Henrique and Carrick (2 forwards who log a hell of a lot of PK minutes) is basically the kiss of death for a couple of our lesser forwards who kill penalties. Mind you, we can waive players but the retention on Henrique and Carrick also leads me to believe that Holland has one last trick up his sleeve.

I hope so. This Vegas shenanigans got me f***ed up. But just don't trade to make a trade. Target the correct defenceman. If you can't find a clear RD upgrade for Ceci look to upgrade the third pairing. Maybe Ceci is the upgrade for the third pairing and the Oil look for an LD upgrade on Kulak.

 

[Seachd]

I don’t get when people say this. They’re not “weaponizing” anything.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I watched a lot of Henrique in his last year in Windsor. He was a smart player for sure. This really helps playing with creative talent.

... and we needed two bottom six centers, we got 2 centers. A clear strategy and wise use of the assets.

 

[alphahelix]

Very different tier of player. Bjugstad had been strictly a bottom 6 forward for years. Henrique is a legitimate top six forward. Henrique is also a goal scorer more than a playmaker. He has 59 goals in his last 180 games with the Ducks.

They seem to have the exact same # of goals and assists at EV over the past 2 seasons. Henriques edge comes from getting some PP time.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I've given different options and I would prefer a RHD, but if Ottawa is moving on from Chychrun, Ceci++ for Chychrun would make alot of sense and would improve the team.

Ceci, Bougault and Akey for Chychrun ($800K retained)

 

[joestevens29]

Holland is definitely cooking up something. Bringing in Henrique and Carrick (2 forwards who log a hell of a lot of PK minutes) is basically the kiss of death for a couple of our lesser forwards who kill penalties. Mind you, we can waive players but the retention on Henrique and Carrick also leads me to believe that Holland has one last trick up his sleeve.

Honestly you'd be stupid not to get the retention regardless of what you have up your sleeve.

Even if he gets nothing, does this not allow us some wiggle space to take cap overages this year and lessen the damage next year?

I'm sure the optimal plan is to have the space to make more additions, but there are some perks even if he doesnt

 

[FlameChampion]

Holland is definitely cooking up something. Bringing in Henrique and Carrick (2 forwards who log a hell of a lot of PK minutes) is basically the kiss of death for a couple of our lesser forwards who kill penalties. Mind you, we can waive players but the retention on Henrique and Carrick also leads me to believe that Holland has one last trick up his sleeve.

Could be as simple as he wants cap to fit in a 1m #7D with a 23 man roster.

Will be interesting if Hanifin to Vegas makes him more aggressive.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I thought Hanifin wanted Tampa only. Maybe Tampa doesn’t desire him as much as he desires them.

Bolts said they do not want to trade isaac howard

 

[FlameChampion]

I find it odd that holland is looking for a “7th defender” when he has Broberg in the AHL..

He might want a #7 RD. We are pretty thin. Kemp is probably the next one. I think he just wants a veteran who has played NHL games.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Could be as simple as he wants cap to fit in a 1m #7D with a 23 man roster.

Will be interesting if Hanifin to Vegas makes him more aggressive.

I'm curious though. If that's all that we do, does it not benefit us next year to still ride a shorter roster out for the rest of the season? (Brown's Bonus).

 

[dem]

I don’t get when people say this. They’re not “weaponizing” anything.

Prostituting doesn’t sound as cool

 

[joestevens29]

Peterson and Johansen for Campbell. With the Flyers making the money work to be an even cap trade.

Yes or no?

For us it would allow us to bury more money as there are two guys, not one. Also shortens the headache of having Campbells contract for three more years.

For PHI at least they get a goalie that is actually doing something in the AHL and they need something back there.