Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | The Infinity Glove Hand, Snap Your Fingers and the Puck Still Goes In

[bobbythebrain]

Remember when Ovechkin refused to backcheck and didn't take more than 2 strides on the pp? I remember.

JP >>>>Ovechkin

 

[Whyme]

I don't believe they are in the same tier. I am strictly going off puljujarvi having a good year and Laine having a bad year.
If the same thing occurs this year, then you may believe as I do.

It's really hard to compare the players as one has one unbelievable tool that he got to use in an optimal place in the Jets, but is terrible at defending, while the other one hasn't got barely any PP usage but is terrific defensively.

However, last year Puljujarvi's ESG/60 was the 2nd best of the team and I'm not sure Laine would've scored much more in that position. I also don't think McDavid would've scored as many points as he did with Laine as he'd had to adjust his game more defensive.

PP is where Laine could've been very good, but that part is already working well and I believe Puljujarvi will fit in that nicely enough when he gets a real chance. As a Finn I'm hoping Laine will bounce back, but due to big differences in the defensive and ice filling side the two Finns will be very different kind of players and fill different needs.

 

[belair]

The end of season “next year will be a development year” presser was my absolute low point as a fan. Not sure how anyone can look back on the MacT & Eakins time with any silver linings beyond “well, we got McDavid got suffering thru them”.

Just looking back on the team make-ups that OBC era was obsessed with giving AHL lifers a big shot. I can't fathom what these guys thought that they were 'developing'.

My favorite of the countless MacT one-liners was 'Justin Schultz will win a Norris one day'. That was a completely broken hockey player by the time MacT was done with him.

 

[McSuper]

Back on the Koskinen subject .How bad is Koskinen ? I see a kid with out a hand make more glove saves then Koskinen .

 

[LTIR]

Back on the Koskinen subject .Hpw bad is Koskinen ? I see a kid with out a hand make more glove saves then Koskinen .

I call BS on this. Willing to bet that Koskinen standing on one leg and using one hand would be a better goalie than you or a handicapped kid as you mentioned.

Time to move on or create a bash Koski thread for your musing

 

[Anarchism]

I call BS on this. Willing to bet that Koskinen standing on one leg and using one hand would be a better goalie than you or a handicapped kid as you mentioned.

Time to move on or create a bash Koski thread for your musing

While his comparison might be spurious it does point out the lack of confidence the oiler players are likely to have in Kostko after that last playoff game...the body language of both was awful.
Not an easy thing to rebuild.

 

[Anarchism]

Indeed. I can’t remember where I heard this but apparently Hyman was coveted by management for a while beforehand. I think he could end up being the perfect McWinger with the added bonus of being able to effectively play up and down the lineup. I could see him working well with Draisaitl as well.

Acquiring a similar (some differences of course) player in Foegele was a good choice. Holloway could also end up being one as well, which is something they likely considered when drafting him.

It will be interesting to see how Lavoie, Savoie and Bourgault end up as shooters. Hopefully one of them is ready for the NHL next season, as it would be nice to have a more pure sniper in the top 9 regardless.

Given that some things progress ....Yamo and Kass (if they are with us at the beginning of the season) should be motivated as in losing your place motivated--maybe not though maybe one or both welcome a trade.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So do we all remember all the way back to the season that the pandemic cut short? I remember that a goalie was an UFA and we didn't want to bring him back at all. This was his stat line then:

'19-20 37 games started 19-12-6 2.95GAA 0.902sv% 1SO

Now here is the guy that is currently being trashed:

'20-21 25 games started 13-13-0 3.17GAA 0.899sv% 0SO

Slightly worse save % and a higher GAA (I personally consider GAA to be more of a team stat than just a goalie stat).

If we somehow got both of these guys going at their best, goaltending would not be a weakness for us. Not elite, but not garbage either.

Smith '20-21 30 games started 21-6-2 2.31GAA 0.923sv% 3SO
Koskinen '19-20 34 games started 18-13-3 2.75GAA 0.917sv% 1SO

If Koskinen does return, hopefully he has worked hard on his game this offseason and is ready to come in and have a solid season.

 

[LTIR]

While his comparison might be spurious it does point out the lack of confidence the oiler players are likely to have in Kostko after that last playoff game...the body language of both was awful.
Not an easy thing to rebuild.

Yeh there is no denying this ... The team has no confidence in Koski anymore. McDavid is more than done with him ... All it will take is one weak goal and we would be back to 'here we go again'. At this point the players will feel more comfortable if it was Stalock in net over Koski

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yeh there is no denying this ... The team has no confidence in Koski anymore. McDavid is more than done with him ... All it will take is one weak goal and we would be back to 'here we go again'. At this point the players will feel more comfortable if it was Stalock in net over Koski

They are professionals, McDavid now has Hyman, Foegele, Ryan and maybe guys like Holloway, Benson and Perlini to help pull some of the weight up front and Keith, Bouchard and Ceci to do the same on the blueline offensively. If our guys slump and give up because of a few bad goals then good luck with them ever being champions. Play through it and next season (or maybe sooner) we will have a new goalie tandem.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

So do we all remember all the way back to the season that the pandemic cut short? I remember that a goalie was an UFA and we didn't want to bring him back at all. This was his stat line then:

'19-20 37 games started 19-12-6 2.95GAA 0.902sv% 1SO

Now here is the guy that is currently being trashed:

'20-21 25 games started 13-13-0 3.17GAA 0.899sv% 0SO

Slightly worse save % and a higher GAA (I personally consider GAA to be more of a team stat than just a goalie stat).

If we somehow got both of these guys going at their best, goaltending would not be a weakness for us. Not elite, but not garbage either.

Smith '20-21 30 games started 21-6-2 2.31GAA 0.923sv% 3SO
Koskinen '19-20 34 games started 18-13-3 2.75GAA 0.917sv% 1SO

If Koskinen does return, hopefully he has worked hard on his game this offseason and is ready to come in and have a solid season.

By reports Koskinen is a hard working player who puts in the effort on his game. He appears to be a good teammate and a decent person. I hope for him to succeed. He has decent stats, the issue is inconsistency and being prone to let in bad goals. Over time that erodes trust by teammates.

While Tippett ofter refers to Smith as a battler and has shown confidence in keeping Smith in the net to fight through poor starts, the same faith and belief is not held in Koskinen. Koskinen looked to implode down the stretch and I'm not sure there is much confidence in the player. I'm not sure Koskinen's mental strength and resiliency is there to overcome adversity and pressure at this highest level.

If Koskinen was a two million dollar player this would be a more manageable situation. But at his salary and this team's situation of trying to breakthrough into a deep playoff threat where goaltending becomes a more significant requirement for success the Oil have a legitimate question mark.

 

[Anarchism]

Our assistant coaches and trainers should be extremely busy this year.....what a year for potential growth and fixing of alot of players.

 

[Anarchism]

By reports Koskinen is a hard working player who puts in the effort on his game. He appears to be a good teammate and a decent person. I hope for him to succeed. He has decent stats, the issue is inconsistency and being prone to let in bad goals. Over time that erodes trust by teammates.

While Tippett ofter refers to Smith as a battler and has shown confidence in keeping Smith in the net to fight through poor starts, the same faith and belief is not held in Koskinen. Koskinen looked to implode down the stretch and I'm not sure there is much confidence in the player. I'm not sure Koskinen's mental strength and resiliency is there to overcome adversity and pressure at this highest level.

If Koskinen was a two million dollar player this would be a more manageable situation. But at his salary and this team's situation of trying to breakthrough into a deep playoff threat where goaltending becomes a more significant requirement for success the Oil have a legitimate question mark.

Maybe KostKo's salary does become closer to 2 million from an Oilers point of view.

 

[Mr Positive]

I doubt Tippett has much faith in Koskinen. It's one thing to say "give Koskinen a shot" as a fan or even a GM. However, the coach is paid to win as much as possible. Every night. Also, Smith is a hard competitor so he'll always say he wants to start.

Just so Holland understands, he said that Smith should play 40 games or less, but theres little chance of that happening if we keep things the same.

So this setup is what Holland has allowed to happen: a veteran goalie who will likely get burned out by your own understanding. A backup who the coach doesnt trust, and cant handle pressure.


It's almost guaranteed to end in disaster. I want to be optimistic but that doesnt mean burying your head in the sand.

Likely outcome: the season starts a bit of a struggle as the team adjusts, but goaltending is okay. Next, a bounce back where we gain ground in the standings. Later, a goaltending statistical implosion. Lastly, a horrible trade for a band aid solution that helps but isnt great.

Goaltending is the pivotal position on a hockey team. If it isnt right, the whole thing falls apart

 

[Fourier]

So do we all remember all the way back to the season that the pandemic cut short? I remember that a goalie was an UFA and we didn't want to bring him back at all. This was his stat line then:

'19-20 37 games started 19-12-6 2.95GAA 0.902sv% 1SO

Now here is the guy that is currently being trashed:

'20-21 25 games started 13-13-0 3.17GAA 0.899sv% 0SO

Slightly worse save % and a higher GAA (I personally consider GAA to be more of a team stat than just a goalie stat).

If we somehow got both of these guys going at their best, goaltending would not be a weakness for us. Not elite, but not garbage either.

Smith '20-21 30 games started 21-6-2 2.31GAA 0.923sv% 3SO
Koskinen '19-20 34 games started 18-13-3 2.75GAA 0.917sv% 1SO

If Koskinen does return, hopefully he has worked hard on his game this offseason and is ready to come in and have a solid season.

I you get a combine .920sv% out of these two the Oilers likely finish first in their division.It would not surprise me to see shots against down a fair bit this year. The forwrads are a fair bit better defensivley. And while they have lost Larsson, the defense moves the puck better than last year.

 

[McSuper]

I call BS on this. Willing to bet that Koskinen standing on one leg and using one hand would be a better goalie than you or a handicapped kid as you mentioned.

Time to move on or create a bash Koski thread for your musing

I can guarantee he wouldn't be better then me in my prime . I had university trying to recruit me . Today yeah you are probably right as for the kid that was a joke . Doesn't matter how good a kid is he not going to be near the worst NHL goalie . If you thought that was a serious post I don't know what to say

Also I actually have stuck up for Koskinen on a few occasion . I still think he needs to be moved . The team has lost faith in him and he probably has lost faith in the team not a recipe for success .

 

[space321]

I can guarantee he wouldn't be better then me in my prime . I had university trying to recruit me . Today yeah you are probably right as for the kid that was a joke . Doesn't matter how good a kid is he not going to be near the worst NHL goalie . If you thought that was a serious post I don't know what to say

Also I actually have stuck up for Koskinen on a few occasion . I still think he needs to be moved . The team has lost faith in him and he probably has lost faith in the team not a recipe for success .

Wait you think an average college goalie (let's just imagine you were one) can put up .900 in the NHL? lol

 

[SK13]

wtf is this thread right now?

 

[xoczar99ox]

wtf is this thread right now?

Crazy talk 101

 

[Skar]

Wait you think an average college goalie (let's just imagine you were one) can put up .900 in the NHL? lol

In my prime I could outskate McDavid and outdangle Patrick Kane

 

[iliketorock]

I can guarantee he wouldn't be better then me in my prime . I had university trying to recruit me .

What kept you from actually being recruited? I'm genuinely curious, if you were better then Mikko it should of been a guarantee.

 

[missinthejets]

If we somehow got both of these guys going at their best, goaltending would not be a weakness for us. Not elite, but not garbage either.

Well that's the problem with both isn't it? Their best is pretty f***ing good, but when they're not at their best they are trash. Can look like the best goalie in the world or the absolute worst with almost no inbetween.

 

[BlackDogg]

Rolling the dice on this tandem, I would not bet too much money.

 

[soothsayer]

Wait you think an average college goalie (let's just imagine you were one) can put up .900 in the NHL? lol

If you followed the posts, you would see that he was replying to someone who said he wouldn't be better than a basically double-amputated Koskinen. 90% of rec goalies right now would probably be better than a one-legged, one-armed Koskinen, let alone a college recruited goalie. The whole thing was obviously a joke.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I can guarantee he wouldn't be better then me in my prime . I had university trying to recruit me .

Not trying to be a prick but just pointing out the reality that is what every guy says who played Midget AAA, CHL or JrA back in the day and didn’t make the show.

And back in the day Univerity programs both in Canada and especially the US college programs were all a major step below the CHL and Jr A being more equivalent with Jr B.