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[LTIR]

Koskinen is crap. I’m sorry I wish I didn’t have to say that but there is a reason the team rises up and plays their heart out for Smith and droops down acting nervous when Mikko is in net. It’s not because the team missed an assignment. Koskinen doesn’t bail the team out, his mental game is weak and so is his leadership

Koskinen is awesome but just had a bad stretch of games and got no help from D. He will bounce back with his new team and a fresh start (waves to the pro scouts of other teams lurking this thread)

 

[McTonyBrar]

Koskinen is awesome but just had a bad stretch of games and got no help from D. He will bounce back with his new team and a fresh start (waves to the pro scouts of other teams lurking this thread)

I hope your being sarcastic. I’ve seen for 3 years what his horrendous goaltending has brought us

 

[LTIR]

I hope your being sarcastic. I’ve seen for 3 years what his horrendous goaltending has brought us

I'm never sarcastic.
How many NHL level Dmen were on his team the last 3 yrs?
Nurse was one, Klefglass when not on LTIR was another and Larsson for a stretch of games where he showed up was likely the only other one we have had the last 3 seasons.

Bear,Bouch,Lagesson,Russell,Jones, Koekkoek, Benning, Wideman, Gravel, Manning, Persson and whatever else we have tried were nothing more than AHL callup level players. Barrie was no better defensively.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Lol wut? The guy gets the team prepared by allowing the first shot. He’s had 3 years to show he’s got something and he hasn’t done anything. You guys are only looking at stats of those early years. Go look at how he’d allow glove hand and first goal shots in those years as well

The not being ready has more to do with coaching, Oiler goalies seem plagued with first shot goals.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Only an Oilers fan would lump Pulju and Laine as similar players .

To most others, one is a fringe superstar and the other a fringe AHLer/NHLer.

International tourney where salary cap isn't a factor makes this gap even wider .

Having said that, Pulju has a legit shot at team FIN if he has a decent enough season.

I don't believe they are in the same tier. I am strictly going off puljujarvi having a good year and Laine having a bad year.
If the same thing occurs this year, then you may believe as I do.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I hope your being sarcastic. I’ve seen for 3 years what his horrendous goaltending has brought us

This just isnt true. He hasnt been bad that whole time. It's been a 50/50
You'd think he kicked your dog how bad you slander him

 

[North]

I hope your being sarcastic. I’ve seen for 3 years what his horrendous goaltending has brought us

A lot of us are disappointed in Koskinen but your posts are starting to sound like Raab’s when he talks about Nurse.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Only an Oilers fan would lump Pulju and Laine as similar players .

To most others, one is a fringe superstar and the other a fringe AHLer/NHLer.

International tourney where salary cap isn't a factor makes this gap even wider .

Having said that, Pulju has a legit shot at team FIN if he has a decent enough season.

Jesse put up top 6 numbers while being solid defensively and his game has so much room for growth. He isn't a fringe ahl/nhler...

Come on...

 

[Aceboogie]

Only an Oilers fan would lump Pulju and Laine as similar players .

To most others, one is a fringe superstar and the other a fringe AHLer/NHLer.

International tourney where salary cap isn't a factor makes this gap even wider .

Having said that, Pulju has a legit shot at team FIN if he has a decent enough season.

JP is unequivocally better than Laine

JP is already one of the top 15 best defensive forwards in the NHL

Laine a few seasons ago might be better

 

[bobbythebrain]

JP is unequivocally better than Laine

JP is already one of the top 15 best defensive forwards in the NHL

Laine a few seasons ago might be better

So Philip Danualt must be better than Elias Petterson by that metric.

Only thing worse than "analytics" on HF is people who use previous year samples to sum up careers.

Laine has scored more goals in a single season than JP has total points playing w/ Mcd and Draisaitl.

 

[Anarchism]

Jesse will likely have the oppurtunity to shoot alot more. Lets hope he takes them.
Between Hyman, one of the league premier garbagemen, and McDavid they should score 55 to 65 goals without Jesse. Jesse's assist total should rise.

 

[BudBundy]

If you combined Chiarelli's drafting, MacT's trading, Lowe's aggression, and Holland's player development into one GM you might actually get a not-below-average GM.

MacTs trading includes Petry. So, no.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

JP is unequivocally better than Laine

JP is already one of the top 15 best defensive forwards in the NHL

Laine a few seasons ago might be better

lol get real. I do think JP could end up better though. So I guess I somewhat agree haha

 

[Biltmore]

Only an Oilers fan would lump Pulju and Laine as similar players .

To most others, one is a fringe superstar and the other a fringe AHLer/NHLer.

International tourney where salary cap isn't a factor makes this gap even wider .

Having said that, Pulju has a legit shot at team FIN if he has a decent enough season.

Laine is a one-trick pony. If I had the choice between Laine and a similar scorer I would choose the other guy 9 out of 10 times.

 

[Oilhawks]

Laine is a one-trick pony. If I had the choice between Laine and a similar scorer I would choose the other guy 9 out of 10 times.

Indeed. This is what it really comes down to. Laine is a hell of a goal scorer but is atrocious defensively. If he has another season like last, and Puljujarvi has one like last season (or better), the narrative has to be flipped

 

[LTIR]

Laine is a one-trick pony. If I had the choice between Laine and a similar scorer I would choose the other guy 9 out of 10 times.

'Similar scorer' is a short list. Before last season the guy was keeping up with Matthews and was one of the few scorers who could have a better career than Ovechkin goal scoring wise.

He isn't a 200ft player but I have a feeling he would score more than RNH and Pulju if he was on Oilers

 

[McShogun99]

Laine is a one-trick pony. If I had the choice between Laine and a similar scorer I would choose the other guy 9 out of 10 times.

That one trick is the hardest thing to do in hockey. It's why he's going to get paid. The problem is that he's a primma donna and wants to play in a warm climate and have the spotlight on him. He's playing like a guy that hates his job right now.

 

[K1984]

Maybe it was the team that came out flat in almost every game giving up high danger scoring chances?

This is a major factor IMO. The Oilers have had a really bad habit of playing like complete shit for the first 10 mins of games for years now, and it continued last year.

One of the things that was so great about Smith last year is he bailed the team out multiple times when they slept walked into games while Koskinen did the complete opposite.

I want Koskinen gone as much as the next guy, but the Oilers showing up on time will help with his shitty starts I think.

 

[Oilhawks]

'Similar scorer' is a short list. Before last season the guy was keeping up with Matthews and was one of the few scorers who could have a better career than Ovechkin goal scoring wise.

He isn't a 200ft player but I have a feeling he would score more than RNH and Pulju if he was on Oilers

Many might disagree but I don’t think they need to go and get a sniper for either of McDrai. They’re both known for their playmaking first but they are both exceptional goal-scorers with some of the highest shooting % in the league.

What they needed were guys like Hyman and Foegele who can go in and get the puck for them and clean up garbage from them, Nuge, or the point shots from the D. Pulju and Yams, as well as Holloway could develop to be these types of players, with Pulju having a decent shot as well

 

[LTIR]

Many might disagree but I don’t think they need to go and get a sniper for either of McDrai. They’re both known for their playmaking first but they are both exceptional goal-scorers with some of the highest shooting % in the league.

What they needed were guys like Hyman and Foegele who can go in and get the puck for them and clean up garbage from them, Nuge, or the point shots from the D. Pulju and Yams, as well as Holloway could develop to be these types of players, with Pulju having a decent shot as well

Yup, it appears the management has finally figured it out.

 

[Oilhawks]

Yup, it appears the management has finally figured it out.

Indeed. I can’t remember where I heard this but apparently Hyman was coveted by management for a while beforehand. I think he could end up being the perfect McWinger with the added bonus of being able to effectively play up and down the lineup. I could see him working well with Draisaitl as well.

Acquiring a similar (some differences of course) player in Foegele was a good choice. Holloway could also end up being one as well, which is something they likely considered when drafting him.

It will be interesting to see how Lavoie, Savoie and Bourgault end up as shooters. Hopefully one of them is ready for the NHL next season, as it would be nice to have a more pure sniper in the top 9 regardless.

 

[Cloned]

MacTs trading includes Petry. So, no.

That only happened because MacT’s arrogance got in his way and demolished Petry’s trade value, one of his many weaknesses as a GM. Trading in comparison was a relative strength.

 

[belair]

That only happened because MacT’s arrogance got in his way, one of his many weaknesses as a GM. Trading in comparison was a relative strength.

Which ones? The one where he traded for Perron? Or the one where he traded him away? The brief time that MacT was here, the team had absolutely no direction. Selling off expiring assets for picks to eventually be wasted isn't what I'd consider a strength.

Craig MacTavish had no redeeming qualities as a GM. That whole era was a team devoid of potential.

 

[Cloned]

Which ones? The one where he traded for Perron? Or the one where he traded him away? The brief time that MacT was here, the team had absolutely no direction. Selling off expiring assets for picks to eventually be wasted isn't what I'd consider a strength.

Craig MacTavish had no redeeming qualities as a GM. That whole era was a team devoid of potential.

If you look at his trade history the only bad trade is the Petry one, and that was more a result of him destroying Petry’s trade value prior to the actual trade due to his own arrogance, and not messing up the actual trade values in the trade.

That’s as far as I’ll go in "defending" MacT however.

 

[Oilhawks]

Which ones? The one where he traded for Perron? Or the one where he traded him away? The brief time that MacT was here, the team had absolutely no direction. Selling off expiring assets for picks to eventually be wasted isn't what I'd consider a strength.

Craig MacTavish had no redeeming qualities as a GM. That whole era was a team devoid of potential.

The end of season “next year will be a development year” presser was my absolute low point as a fan. Not sure how anyone can look back on the MacT & Eakins time with any silver linings beyond “well, we got McDavid for suffering thru them”.