Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: ... Silent Night

[Fourier]

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Unless the Flames trade Gaudreau signing Hall makes little sense. They already have Tkachuk and Gaudreau as LW's and they have some cap issues to manage as well. They will have about $24M to sign 11 guys. In that group is much of their defense. Even if Hall signed for $8.5 they would have $15.5M to sign 10 guys. There 4 defensemen will cost them at least $12M of that $15.5M leaving them with about $3.5M or less for 6 slots.

 

[LaGu]

I appreciate Kassian and I certainly don't think complimenting McDavid and Drai is as easy as the media likes to portray it, but you don't sign players of his ilk for that long. While your cap number makes a 6 year deal about as enticing as it can reasonably get, it just doesn't seem right. In his entire career he's only flirted with breaking the 30 point barrier when riding shotgun to the Sedins or McDrai. I highly doubt he has the skill and staying power to not get ousted from that McDrai role at some point in the next 5-6 years, I'd say if he can even hold it down for 2 full years past the current season we are probably doing something terribly wrong as an organization. Then the question arises is what role does he play when not paired with McDrai, career wise he's tended to be a 3rd/4th line tweener, so optimistically he can maintain the 3rd/4th line tweener role away from McDrai, but realistically he'll get pushed down into a 4th line role and pessimistically he won't be an NHL caliber player by the time a 6 year deal ends.

I'd be tabling 2 and 3 year deals, if Kass wants 4 years I want a very team friendly deal. 5-6 years I'd consider to be out of the question.

Apart from that they are younger I'd put as comparables Jarnkrok and Sissons. Even though it's not very common I think we might be seeing more of these contracts going forward.

I actually think he can be a decent fit on the 2nd/3rd lines if there is a new winger for McD. Low end 2nd liner on his own, decent 3rd liner or a very good 4th liner.

 

[Fourier]

I appreciate Kassian and I certainly don't think complimenting McDavid and Drai is as easy as the media likes to portray it, but you don't sign players of his ilk for that long. While your cap number makes a 6 year deal about as enticing as it can reasonably get, it just doesn't seem right. In his entire career he's only flirted with breaking the 30 point barrier when riding shotgun to the Sedins or McDrai. I highly doubt he has the skill and staying power to not get ousted from that McDrai role at some point in the next 5-6 years, I'd say if he can even hold it down for 2 full years past the current season we are probably doing something terribly wrong as an organization. Then the question arises is what role does he play when not paired with McDrai, career wise he's tended to be a 3rd/4th line tweener, so optimistically he can maintain the 3rd/4th line tweener role away from McDrai, but realistically he'll get pushed down into a 4th line role and pessimistically he won't be an NHL caliber player by the time a 6 year deal ends.

I'd be tabling 2 and 3 year deals, if Kass wants 4 years I want a very team friendly deal. 5-6 years I'd consider to be out of the question.

I actually think that this deal makes sense given the Oilers current cap structure. If you could get Kassian to sign a three year deal at $2.3M they would do it immediately I think. Beyond next year the Oilers cap opens up big time. The risk to the team is in the last three years, but if you don't give him a NMC ,which I certainly hope they wouldn't, then it would be an easy deal to move. Worst case scenario you can bury him and eat a little over $1M in dead space.

Now I think Kassian will be willing to give the Oilers a team friendly deal at 4 years. So I would push that as well.

One advantage of Kassian playing where he is is that you can fill a top 6 forward slot cheaply. This helps you invest in other places that typically cost a fair bit to address. With the cap at $90M ,which it could well be as early as 2021-2022, a veteran $2.3M third line winger is probably still a decent deal. So that is the level Kassian needs to be at to make the 6 year deal favourable to the Oilers.

 

[Nunymare]

Holland had a nice chat with Anton Slepyshev, playing for the Russians. He doesn’t know him well but his chief pro scout Archie Henderson, who used to Western bird-dog for the Red Wings, has always liked the winger.
Slepyshev, who has 13 points in 28 games for CSKA, feels he can be a third-liner on the Oilers as constituted, which might be a reach. For sure, he’s a possible fourth-liner if he wants to come back for $1 million or less next season. Slepyshev, 25, returned to play for CSKA Moscow because he couldn’t win the trust of the coaches to play every game, plus there were some family issues.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins admits it will be weird seeing Taylor Hall in Coyotes uniform

 

[CupofOil]

In what ways?

Morrissey is better defensively. (Fancy stats back that up)

He is also better offensively and has been his entire career. Nurse had more points last year but that's based on Morrissey only playing less games.

Edit: Yes I have been a Nurse hater in the past but I've liked his game alot more this year then I did. But that said Nurse shouldn't come close to Morrissey contract wise and if he did that would be a massive failure

I don't think Nurse is quite as good as Morrissey but this is crazy talk and you have a tendency to dive into hyperbole to make a strong opinion.

Based on comparables, Nurse definitely belongs in that 6M range depending on term assuming that he keeps up his pace this season. That's two straight 40+ point seasons playing 22-23 minutes a night and holding his own defensively, add in the physicality and a bit of cap inflation and you have a $6M Dman in this market. There's just no way you're getting Nurse for less than 6 on a long term deal, no way.

Also, Kassian is being really underrated by some of you guys. He's a big part of this team. He's one of few players who plays with passion and purpose most nights, he's also one of the few vocal leaders and seems adored by his teammates, he also has underrated skill. Not too many players around the league who can replace what he brings. If his ask isn't too unreasonable, you have to get that guy locked up. 3 years $10m seems reasonable or 4 years $12m.

 

[Kaniac]

She posted a photo of her and Hall together looking happy in the stands at what appears to be Rogers Place at some kind of event.

The one where they are in the stands and she has her finger pointing is at a patriot's game. So it means absolutely nothing. Unless there is another photo?

 

[FlameChampion]

Are there any rumours on what Kassian is likely to get?

 

[oXo Cube]

Are there any rumours on what Kassian is likely to get?

Too much for too long.

Not sure what we can do though. Replacing him will probably be even more expensive.

 

[McDrai]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins admits it will be weird seeing Taylor Hall in Coyotes uniform

A lot of tidbits in there.
1. It looks like we may have offered Arizona a package including Samorukov but Holland refused to give up our 1st (and rightfully so).
2. The article also said that Puljujarvi could be dealt at the trade deadline. If we’re still in the playoff race come trade deadline day I’m hoping that we can trade Puljujarvi for either some help on the wing or 3C.
3. Slepyshev seems to be open to a return. I’d maybe offer him a PTO but that’s about it.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Too much for too long.

Not sure what we can do though. Replacing him will probably be even more expensive.

If you are assured of that, there's always just moving on from the player. He adds value to the team, but if there's no way he's ever going to be worth it, what's the point?

My take will remain, give him 5 yrs at a lower Avv, so 5yrs @ $2.75-3M per, and then pay him more in the first 2 years.

 

[joestevens29]

A lot of tidbits in there.
1. It looks like we may have offered Arizona a package including Samorukov but Holland refused to give up our 1st (and rightfully so).
2. The article also said that Puljujarvi could be dealt at the trade deadline. If we’re still in the playoff race come trade deadline day I’m hoping that we can trade Puljujarvi for either some help on the wing or 3C.
3. Slepyshev seems to be open to a return. I’d maybe offer him a PTO but that’s about it.

I think with Slepy you offer him a one year deal. Worse case scenario he either ends up in the AHL or you even terminate his contract. Pretty sure he has a young child and I don't know that a PTO is enough to get him to come over.

Even if we aren't in the playoff race come trade deadline I'd still be looking at moving JP for a 3C. The sooner we can start filling holes the better. Try get as much chemistry going sooner rather than later.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

the Flames already have 19 million tied up in Tkachuk, little Johnny, and Looch (lol)
they're gonna sink another 9-10 million in a 28 year old winger on a long-term contract?

they need centers cause Monahan is only as good as Gaudreau makes him and Backlund is vastly overpaid for a 2nd line center

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I think with Slepy you offer him a one year deal. Worse case scenario he either ends up in the AHL or you even terminate his contract. Pretty sure he has a young child and I don't know that a PTO is enough to get him to come over.

Even if we aren't in the playoff race come trade deadline I'd still be looking at moving JP for a 3C. The sooner we can start filling holes the better. Try get as much chemistry going sooner rather than later.

If Slepy is open to coming back, you could give him a 1 yr deal at like $750K-ish, because there's a lot of contracts falling off, and if he doesn't make the team in camp you just do the mutual termination.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Any rumblings about Oilers going after Kovalchuk?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Any rumblings about Oilers going after Kovalchuk?

I haven't seen any, I think it's BOS, CGY and a few others, I hope Holland's atleast made a call.

 

[oXo Cube]

If you are assured of that, there's always just moving on from the player. He adds value to the team, but if there's no way he's ever going to be worth it, what's the point?

My take will remain, give him 5 yrs at a lower Avv, so 5yrs @ $2.75-3M per, and then pay him more in the first 2 years.

The point is if you let him go(on paper I would not be against this) you have to replace the production and odds are doing that will hurt the Oilers more than an overpriced contract for Kassian will. He's a UFA it just kinda is what it is with those players.

No way in hell I would give a 5 year deal to a player who only seems to show up in a contract year though.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The point is if you let him go(on paper I would not be against this) you have to replace the production and odds are doing that will hurt the Oilers more than an overpriced contract for Kassian will. He's a UFA it just kinda is what it is with those players.

No way in hell I would give a 5 year deal to a player who only seems to show up in a contract year though.

Then if that's the attitude, you just let him walk.

 

[Travis093]

Can you quote it up for those of us that have no idea who his GF is and what she said?

I don't have a link, I just remember seeing it posted in one of the trade rumor threads just before he was traded. Was around the day he was first scratched

 

[Whyme]

If Slepy is open to coming back, you could give him a 1 yr deal at like $750K-ish, because there's a lot of contracts falling off, and if he doesn't make the team in camp you just do the mutual termination.

I don't know how much he's after the money, but I read that his salary in the KHL is somewhere between $1,1-1,6 million. As the taxes are much lower I don't know if he'd come for that $750k especially if a place in the team isn't guaranteed.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Maybe not a popular opinion but as of today, the Oilers got more for Hall than NJ did since they got nothing but potential for him and the Oilers got a legit NHL player.

Of course that all changes IF some of those prospects turn out but as of right now, the Oilers got more.

So you're saying that a declining impending FA rental got less than an MVP calibre forward in his prime on one of the best contracts in the league?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I haven't seen any, I think it's BOS, CGY and a few others, I hope Holland's atleast made a call.

 

[joestevens29]

Any rumblings about Oilers going after Kovalchuk?

I don't see him signing here. Unless you can convince him that it's the best for his long-term NHL career to come play here and drive up his value for UFA.

I just don't know if the guy intends on staying in the NHL much longer. Tough to get a read on what he really wants. I do suspect if Boston is interested that he goes there.

 

[joestevens29]

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For 1mil given the lack of top 6 options on this club you need to be making the call

 

[belair]

Eric Comrie on waivers.

 

[joestevens29]

Eric Comrie on waivers.

Can't see anyone taking him. Maybe if he clears someone deals a AHL player for him and try to get him going in the AHL, but even then he's probably more a AHL backup at this point.