GKJ
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Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 5: Cutter Gauthier, LW, USNTDP -> Boston College
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Rankings could have changed based on the rumblings that the Flyers were all in on him. (Make your ratings look better by going for the known rumblings and tendencies)
Curufinwe
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True, but I don't think he was gonna slip out of the top 10 even if the Flyers traded #5 for DBC.
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They look average, and once the development program ruins them those years will look worse.
Flyerfan4life
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yah im thinking flame out... if hes stuck on the Flyers, hes never gunna amount to anything..
#ruined
You had me until the last sentence. Well, almost had me, because I want my teams’ front offices distributing mixed messages to the public forum - although I’d counter the opposite, that CF & Friends are way too easy to read.
Anyway, we don’t know who they would have taken beyond the fact they preferred Gauthier over Jiricek and the rest. That’s all we know. In that respect, I think it’s fair to be wanting to micturate down one’s pants leg after picking fifth overall. I prefer to think that Cooley slipping to five would have had them jumping on him even with Gauthier still there, but I want to be cautious in trying to defend this FO too much because they’re just unpredictable enough that I could envision something radical. But AZ made it beside the point. (Also, be fair to CF, drafting during his reign has not been eventful; he’s made the predictable selections. While their FA/trade moves/cap management practices have raised hairy eyebrows, drafting had been vanilla and I’m fine with that.)
Saying you need top end talent and drafting vanilla is contradicting yourself.
It probably would be, but that’s not what I wrote. Vanilla = picking who they feel is the BPA, not “not top-end talent.” Read the post.
The Gauthier draft pick will bring some nice competition in the next few years as his mom may have passed Mrs. Hart as my new fav hockey mom.
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And a lot of them boosted him due to it being known the Flyers lusted for him.
freakydallas13
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I am willing to bet they win a playoff series before the Flyers do.
The same JT miller that just put up 99 points?
I will eat my hat if Cutter ever has that many points in a season with the Flyers.
Curufinwe
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Therefore JOB and Ginning will be great because they weren't drafted by the current management, and because they spent 4+ years developing away from the organization.
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If only I thought prior management did well, that strawman could mean something.
Well, tbf, ranked as high as 5 (not counting CS because that is just NA skaters) and as low as 18, with more than half being 5-9. There really isn't a way to call this a bad pick unless you just want to complain because it was the Flyers. He is projected as high as every other prospect available at 5. Whatever argument you (not you specifically, you as in posters complaining about the pick) are making against Cutter Gauthier can be made about every other pick in this area. Complain about the TDA trade, don't complain about this.
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In fairness, both can be true and happen. Just because we do a poor job at developing doesn't mean others can suck too.
BringBackHakstol
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I'm sorry, but get lost. Don't complain about this because you say so? Make a real argument about the player himself, his upside, his worthiness of spending a prime asset on. Don't speak in lame generalities and point to consensus like it's not wrong all the time on players of this profile.
I have not seen you make a single coherent argument in favor of this pick other than point at some lame pre-draft rankings.
TonyDeAngelo
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Oh because all the "typical Flyers!" and "lol Fletcher!" comments are so insightful. He's a kid that most agree was taken in the right range and has a projection similar to the guys selected around him. I'm not going to pontificate on the kid's abilities and pretend like I am an expert in scouting like everyone else does here who apparently has enough time not only to read about all the picks but have personally watched enough tape on them to make decisions about their worthiness of this selection or disagree with scouting reports. I mean honestly, what is the complaint? He wasn't off the board. His projections are second liner maybe with top line potential, and his floor is a safe bet to reach the NHL. According to scouting reports (e.g., not random posters on HFBoards), he can skate, is good with the puck, and has a good shot.
If your problem with the pick is you wanted someone else, join the club. I wanted Nazar or a trade back. But don't act like this is some laughable pick because you don't like it because of some unspecified reason related (or maybe a specified reason like someone else said he isn't a good skater despite the scouting reports saying he is).
Svedu
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Worst high pick in the draft, without doubting. Jiricek would have been a lot better pick. Probably Kemell and Lekkerimäki as well.
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I really like this pick, honestly. The kid has some pretty intriguing tools and it seems like the right kind of risk to take. If they were going to pass on one of the concensus top 5 (figured it'd be one of the d-men) for someone else, i'm glad it was Cutter.
I refuse to say anything else good about this pick at the moment because this f***ing organization, man...
I refuse to say anything else good about this pick at the moment because this f***ing organization, man...
BringBackHakstol
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Multiple people here have explained ad nauseum, going back weeks even, why this player isn't a top 5 caliber pick. He's 95% likely a middle six player. You always do this, you ignore what is said and then rant about how everyone complains. If you can't be bothered to read the threads and participate, then spare the rest of us your takes
DancingPanther
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I'm not ignoring that. They are making criticisms and acting like there were other picks that were clearly better when there isn't. He's a scorer who can skate. Yes, I would have loved it if there was a sure-fire Center that could have been pick here or a franchise defenseman here...but that wasn't a reality in this draft. It sucks but that isn't Fletcher's fault. Fletcher is f***ing terrible. Worst GM in the league. I am still throwing up because of the TDA trade. But there is nothing wrong with this pick.
If Gauthier isn't a top five pick, who was in this draft? An injury history defenseman that at best is a #2 but is more likely a second pair guy? Look at the forwards that went after him and tell me which one is clearly better? Not who is the guy you wanted or who is arguably better...who is clearly better? Who did they pass on that is so much better that makes this pick so bad? The answer is clear: no one! And that would be the case for pretty much if they took anyone that went 6-15 too! This is a weak draft class. Any player that was available is not what you want in a top 5 pick.
And they aren't explaining it ad nauseum. The closest I have seen to an actual explanation is that he is a shoot first winger and those picks rarely work out. That's fine, but that doesn't mean this is a bad pick when the rest you are picking from aren't inspiring either. The vast majority of the complaints are "lol Flyers suck this is stupid" or "Fletcher is the worst." Or even better just stating things like he is slow or can't skate when that is the opposite of what all the scouting reports say about him.
