Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 5: Cutter Gauthier, LW, USNTDP -> Boston College

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In the US system, the age cutoff works so that he's older than almost everyone around in his year, and he's at a developmental age where that can matter a lot. January birthdays tend to underperform relative to draft position.

So yes. It is a solid critique, thanks.
So guys like Cooley and Nazur are much younger?
 

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Lots of prospects are highly gifted athletes, and that's true across all sports. There's more to success than athletic talent at the highest levels.

If anything, it should be concerning that he's possibly just gotten by so far on being a better athlete and borderline over-ager. Fletcher never gravitates towards players with brainpower.
So disingenuous…. cooley is 4 months younger. While the other 5 are within 2 month of each other. With 2 being actually being older. Yes, definitely a solid critique.

He may have more upside. Gauthier doesn't really have any standout skills. Aside from hitting a golf ball ambidextrously, which doesn't really come in handy in hockey games.
Do you have any athletic ability at all? Seriously, if you do, you should find that kinda impressive.
 

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So disingenuous…. cooley is 4 months younger. While the other 5 are within 2 month of each other. With 2 being actually being older. Yes, definitely a solid critique.


Do you have any athletic ability at all? Seriously, if you do, you should find that kinda impressive.

Four months matters. US players with May birthdays are more successful relative to expectation.

All of these guys are impressive athletically. Being ambidextrous just isn't that big a deal. It's not going to make him better at hockey.
 

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Four months matters. US players with May birthdays are more successful relative to expectation.

All of these guys are impressive athletically. Being ambidextrous just isn't that big a deal. It's not going to make him better at hockey.
Did the Flyers pass on Cooley? Nope, just another spin job. Have you ever hit a golf ball 280 yards one way? Trust me it takes high end skill.
 

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Four months matters. US players with May birthdays are more successful relative to expectation.

All of these guys are impressive athletically. Being ambidextrous just isn't that big a deal. It's not going to make him better at hockey.
If all the guys are impressive athletically, why do they have combines?

Boston College's roster looks incredibly short on skill next season -- and they were average offensively last season -- so I am curious to see what playing a new position without the talent of the USNTDP looks like. There is a heavy burden on him to create his own offense.
Could be a good thing. A kid with confidence might thrive and grow.
 

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Boston College's roster looks incredibly short on skill next season -- and they were average offensively last season -- so I am curious to see what playing a new position without the talent of the USNTDP looks like. There is a heavy burden on him to create his own offense.
Yeah this isn't your Kevin Hayes' BC team. They have some OK defensemen (JSI!) but no one up front really.

I think a PPG season would be a big win. I just noticed today he never had a better than PPG season at any notable level until this year. Not great.
 

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I think a PPG season would be a big win.

And here I was wondering if he clears 0.6-0.7 points/game as a freshman. It's not a little concerning that I both think that's realistic and still okay for how I'm projecting him.

Someone with a mastery of color coded spreadsheets should look up every recent top 10 picked college player (or the whole 1st round) and show their age 18 production as an NHL scoring predictor.
 

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Did the Flyers pass on Cooley? Nope, just another spin job. Have you ever hit a golf ball 280 yards one way? Trust me it takes high end skill.

When I assess a hockey player I like hearing about their high end hockey skills. When the hype around him revolves around feats in non-hockey sports, that's a red flag.

I've watched thousands of hockey games, and as much footage as I can find from all eras. I must say, in all that viewing I've never once seen a single game involve an ambidextrous longest drive competition affect any of those games meaningfully. In fact, I've never seen one break out during a game at all. Until that becomes a regular part.of the sport I think I'll continue not caring about that unrelated skill.

Don't get me wrong, so long as the Flyers horrid development process doesn't further lower his ceiling, he should hopefully become a useful NHL player. But he's a safety pick. The Flyers passed on higher ceilings and others with better skills at getting the puck up ice and driving play in favor of a guy who has gotten by on big-boying smaller players. We need skill and high ceiling players desperately. Fletcher always passes on them for false safety. We don't need more Laughtons and Tippetts.
 

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I think nazar is clearly better and much higher ceiling. Elite ceiling not maybe will become a first liner
I would have preferred Nazar too (or a trade back to get Gauthier if that was their guy or anyone else really). But I don't think it is so one-sided that picking Gauthier over Nazar (or Jiricek or whomever) is shocking or laughable or somehow proof that this is a bad pick because it was made by the Flyers.
 

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When I assess a hockey player I like hearing about their high end hockey skills. When the hype around him revolves around feats in non-hockey sports, that's a red flag.

I've watched thousands of hockey games, and as much footage as I can find from all eras. I must say, in all that viewing I've never once seen a single game involve an ambidextrous longest drive competition affect any of those games meaningfully. In fact, I've never seen one break out during a game at all. Until that becomes a regular part.of the sport I think I'll continue not caring about that unrelated skill.

Don't get me wrong, so long as the Flyers horrid development process doesn't further lower his ceiling, he should hopefully become a useful NHL player. But he's a safety pick. The Flyers passed on higher ceilings and others with better skills at getting the puck up ice and driving play in favor of a guy who has gotten by on big-boying smaller players. We need skill and high ceiling players desperately. Fletcher always passes on them for false safety. We don't need more Laughtons and Tippetts.
So you heard this hype elsewhere? Not just from me? The non-hockey skills? That’s all the hype surrounding him? That raised your concern level? You are so disingenuous. Nice spin again.
Wow you’ve watched thousands of games and never saw a long drive competition? Really? Damn you are missing out. That’s what I thought hockey was about. Your knowledge of the sport is amazing. Thank you for your insight.
A non athlete I’m guessing? Or a poor one?

I’m sorry for having the opinion that his golfing story was impressive. Damn, that’s right, opinions aren’t allowed on an opinion board. Unless you agree with the parrots!
 

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I would have preferred Nazar too (or a trade back to get Gauthier if that was their guy or anyone else really). But I don't think it is so one-sided that picking Gauthier over Nazar (or Jiricek or whomever) is shocking or laughable or somehow proof that this is a bad pick because it was made by the Flyers.

I try to avoid falling into "it's automatically bad because the Flyers did it" type of reasoning and try to assess everything neutrally.

But seriously, this far into Fletcher's tenure, if anyone wants to assume something is automatically wrong just because he did it, it's become justified. He misses on everything. Even on the Ellis, Niskanen, and Hayes moves that I supported at the time. The last calendar year has been a display of incompetence the likes of which the team has never seen before, and it's not like the train was on the rails before that. It's tumbling down a mountain now.
 

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