Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 5: Cutter Gauthier, LW, USNTDP -> Boston College

[GKJ]

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[HexyClarke]

Can you believe this guy didn't go number 1 given his talent and eye coordination

Is that the sport he practiced his whole life?

 

[freakydallas13]

I once sneezed, farted, and burped at the same time

You got any connection to Minnesota or Boston College? With a pedigree like that the Flyers could draft you 5th overall.

I try to avoid falling into "it's automatically bad because the Flyers did it" type of reasoning

I don't, it's right more often than not.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Jamarcus Russell would f*** UP the NHL.

Think of the stories we lost out on. If Hextall drafted him, they would have brawled over down low postgame pizza(s).

 

[BigToe]

@BigToe can we get a ruling?

Only world class athletes can grow us back.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

He may have more upside. Gauthier doesn't really have any standout skills. Aside from hitting a golf ball ambidextrously, which doesn't really come in handy in hockey games.

wait! so ur saying golf and hockey arent the same ??

 

[Beef Invictus]

So you heard this hype elsewhere? Not just from me? The non-hockey skills? That’s all the hype surrounding him? That raised your concern level? You are so disingenuous. Nice spin again.
Wow you’ve watched thousands of games and never saw a long drive competition? Really? Damn you are missing out. That’s what I thought hockey was about. Your knowledge of the sport is amazing. Thank you for your insight.
A non athlete I’m guessing? Or a poor one?

I’m sorry for having the opinion that his golfing story was impressive. Damn, that’s right, opinions aren’t allowed on an opinion board. Unless you agree with the parrots!

I'm not sure you understand what "disingenuous" means. I'm being quite open and honest about my opinions here. You may wanna check on the definition of that one.

Yes, I heard it elsewhere. You aren't exactly the breaking source for that information. And I've been very open for years about dismissing the importance of handedness. It's a neat bonus skill, but not something you view as a cornerstone skill.

You seem mad about this. I recommend a piping hot cup of Ken's Lite Caesar. The 2007 vintage is excellent, I can loan you a bottle.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Think of the stories we lost out on. If Hextall drafted him, they would have brawled over down low postgame pizza(s).

The Quackverse must make this right.

 

[HexyClarke]

Think of the stories we lost out on. If Hextall drafted him, they would have brawled over down low postgame pizza(s).

Most of us were in love with hexys picks. They haven’t proven out at all for the most part Some huge misses. Kills me to say it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Think of the stories we lost out on. If Hextall drafted him, they would have brawled over down low postgame pizza(s).

I remember Hextall caught a stray when Hal Gill went on a podcast & explained the differences in things changing over his career in fitness & eating. He was bagging on it that they didn’t even drink beer post game anymore. Then he said “my last year we weren’t even allowed to eat pizza in the locker room after the game for Christ sakes”.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I remember Hextall caught a stray when Hal Gill went on a podcast & explained the differences in things changing over his career in fitness & eating. He was bagging on it that they didn’t even drink beer post game anymore. Then he said “my last year we weren’t even allowed to eat pizza in the locker room after the game for Christ sakes”.

 

[HexyClarke]

I'm not sure you understand what "disingenuous" means. I'm being quite open and honest about my opinions here. You may wanna check on the definition of that one.

Yes, I heard it elsewhere. You aren't exactly the breaking source for that information. And I've been very open for years about dismissing the importance of handedness. It's a neat bonus skill, but not something you view as a cornerstone skill.

You seem mad about this. I recommend a piping hot cup of Ken's Lite Caesar. The 2007 vintage is excellent, I can loan you a bottle.

I’m mad? About what? My intitial post was quite bland about my feelings on his skill level. Then your anger kicked in (which I see happens a lot). I’m not mad at all. I get a kick out of your spin jobs. They are actually quite comical.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m mad? About what? My intitial post was quite bland about my feelings on his skill level. Then your anger kicked in (which I see happens a lot). I’m not mad at all. I get a kick out of your spin jobs. They are actually quite comical.

What spin jobs?

 

[HexyClarke]

I'm not sure you understand what "disingenuous" means. I'm being quite open and honest about my opinions here. You may wanna check on the definition of that one.

Yes, I heard it elsewhere. You aren't exactly the breaking source for that information. And I've been very open for years about dismissing the importance of handedness. It's a neat bonus skill, but not something you view as a cornerstone skill.

You seem mad about this. I recommend a piping hot cup of Ken's Lite Caesar. The 2007 vintage is excellent, I can loan you a bottle.

Loan? Do I give it back empty?

 

[HexyClarke]

What spin jobs?

I’ll give you 1 of many. He’s nearly an overager. Very concerning. I kinda believed you but checked. You saw the results of the top 6.
Now I’m done.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Loan? Do I give it back empty?

Yeah, I use them as decanters.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’ll give you 1 of many. He’s nearly an overager. Very concerning. I kinda believed you but checked. You saw the results of the top 6.
Now I’m done.

And then I addressed it. Not sure what the problem was. It was pretty straightforward.

 

[majormajor]

He may have more upside. Gauthier doesn't really have any standout skills. Aside from hitting a golf ball ambidextrously, which doesn't really come in handy in hockey games.

When I assess a hockey player I like hearing about their high end hockey skills. When the hype around him revolves around feats in non-hockey sports, that's a red flag.

That says more about the limitations of your information sources.

There's a very good reason why Cutter Gauthier came up 5th on Bob McKenzie's poll of scouts. It helps being big but he isn't any bigger than Devin Kaplan. Gauthier is one of the fastest players in the draft. He has startling acceleration for a big man. His shot is one of the best too. Very good handling in tight spaces. In Mitch Brown's tracking work he came out ahead of Cooley and Nazar in transition success (carrying the puck from one end to the other).

That transition skill, the strong defensive play, the faceoff wins, it all makes him an easy projection as a center. I watched PLD develop and Gauthier is ahead of where he was at 18 in some ways, and more easily projects as a center. He has a much better shot, for one thing. Though ideally Gauthier will be paired with a playmaking wing.

This guy is a very good bet to be a top six center. Flyers did well here. (Though I like Jiricek more )

 

[HexyClarke]

That says more about the limitations of your information sources.

There's a very good reason why Cutter Gauthier came up 5th on Bob McKenzie's poll of scouts. It helps being big but he isn't any bigger than Devin Kaplan. Gauthier is one of the fastest players in the draft. He has startling acceleration for a big man. His shot is one of the best too. Very good handling in tight spaces. In Mitch Brown's tracking work he came out ahead of Cooley and Nazar in transition success (carrying the puck from one end to the other).

That transition skill, the strong defensive play, the faceoff wins, it all makes him an easy projection as a center. I watched PLD develop and Gauthier is ahead of where he was at 18 in some ways, and more easily projects as a center. He has a much better shot, for one thing. Though ideally Gauthier will be paired with a playmaking wing.

This guy is a very good bet to be a top six center. Flyers did well here. (Though I like Jiricek more )

Are you sure? The parrots here say he is atrocious in transition and possession. That guy must be an idiot. The people on this board have watched thousands of games from many eras. And they have no bias whatsoever.

 

[Rebels57]

That says more about the limitations of your information sources.

There's a very good reason why Cutter Gauthier came up 5th on Bob McKenzie's poll of scouts. It helps being big but he isn't any bigger than Devin Kaplan. Gauthier is one of the fastest players in the draft. He has startling acceleration for a big man. His shot is one of the best too. Very good handling in tight spaces. In Mitch Brown's tracking work he came out ahead of Cooley and Nazar in transition success (carrying the puck from one end to the other).

That transition skill, the strong defensive play, the faceoff wins, it all makes him an easy projection as a center. I watched PLD develop and Gauthier is ahead of where he was at 18 in some ways, and more easily projects as a center. He has a much better shot, for one thing. Though ideally Gauthier will be paired with a playmaking wing.

This guy is a very good bet to be a top six center. Flyers did well here. (Though I like Jiricek more )

How much is Chuck Fletcher paying you?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I like and hate this pick for you guys. He’s such a Flyers player.

I had him 2nd on my personal draft board behind Slafkovsky. So now I must hate him when he plays against the Sabres, and I really don’t wanna do that

 

[FLYguy3911]

And here I was wondering if he clears 0.6-0.7 points/game as a freshman. It's not a little concerning that I both think that's realistic and still okay for how I'm projecting him.

Someone with a mastery of color coded spreadsheets should look up every recent top 10 picked college player (or the whole 1st round) and show their age 18 production as an NHL scoring predictor.

Last 10 years:

The average 1st round pick (including defensemen): 0.81 PPG
Average top 10 Forward: 1.04 PPG (includes Tyler Boucher)
Average top 5 Forward: 1.08 PPG (only a 3 player sample)

The bar is quite high. BC's top two scorers are leaving so he should have a big role right away and Hockey East isn't exactly the gauntlet it used to be.

Spoiler: Table

PLAYER	SEASON	AGE	TEAM	GP	G	A	TP	PPG	PIM	+/-
Kyle Connor (LW)Winnipeg Jets	2015-2016	19	Univ. of Michigan	38	35	36	71	1.87	6	34
Dylan Holloway (C/LW)Edmonton Oilers	2020-2021	19	Univ. of Wisconsin	23	11	24	35	1.52	19	10
Clayton Keller (W/C)Arizona Coyotes	2016-2017	18	Boston Univ.	31	21	24	45	1.45	26	15
Brock Boeser (RW)Vancouver Canucks	2015-2016	18	Univ. of North Dakota	42	27	33	60	1.43	26	45
Dylan Larkin (C)Detroit Red Wings	2014-2015	18	Univ. of Michigan	35	15	32	47	1.34	38	18
Alex Newhook (C/LW)Colorado Avalanche	2019-2020	18	Boston College	34	19	23	42	1.24	8	28
Matty Beniers (C) ActiveSeattle Kraken	2021-2022	19	Univ. of Michigan	37	20	23	43	1.16	16	29
Kent Johnson (C) ActiveColumbus Blue Jackets	2021-2022	19	Univ. of Michigan	32	8	29	37	1.16	6	25
Colin White (C/RW)	2015-2016	18	Boston College	37	19	24	43	1.16	46	24
Trent Frederic (C/LW)Boston Bruins	2016-2017	18	Univ. of Wisconsin	30	15	18	33	1.10	32	2
Trevor Zegras (C)Anaheim Ducks	2019-2020	18	Boston Univ.	33	11	25	36	1.09	43	8
Luke Kunin (C/W)San Jose Sharks	2016-2017	19	Univ. of Wisconsin	35	22	16	38	1.09	30	-2
Tyson Jost (C)Minnesota Wild	2016-2017	18	Univ. of North Dakota	33	16	19	35	1.06	44	17
Matt Coronato (RW/LW) ActiveCalgary Flames	2021-2022	19	Harvard Univ.	34	18	18	36	1.06	14	11
Quinn Hughes (D)Vancouver Canucks	2018-2019	19	Univ. of Michigan	32	5	28	33	1.03	16	-2
Zach Werenski (D)Columbus Blue Jackets	2015-2016	18	Univ. of Michigan	36	11	25	36	1.00	20	5
Cole Caufield (RW)Montréal Canadiens	2019-2020	18	Univ. of Wisconsin	36	19	17	36	1.00	6	-3
Owen Power (D) ActiveBuffalo Sabres	2021-2022	19	Univ. of Michigan	33	3	29	32	0.97	12	27
Joel Farabee (LW)Philadelphia Flyers	2018-2019	18	Boston Univ.	37	17	19	36	0.97	57	4
Luke Hughes (D) ActiveNew Jersey Devils	2021-2022	18	Univ. of Michigan	41	17	22	39	0.95	10	26
Tage Thompson (W/C)Buffalo Sabres	2016-2017	19	Univ. of Connecticut	34	19	13	32	0.94	24	-6
Alex Turcotte (C)Los Angeles Kings	2019-2020	18	Univ. of Wisconsin	29	9	17	26	0.90	20	-10
Casey Mittelstadt (C)Buffalo Sabres	2017-2018	19	Univ. of Minnesota	34	11	19	30	0.88	10	4
Brendan Brisson (C) ActiveVegas Golden Knights	2020-2021	19	Univ. of Michigan	24	10	11	21	0.88	18	10
Ryan Poehling (C)Montréal Canadiens	2017-2018	18	St. Cloud State Univ.	36	14	17	31	0.86	30	4
K'Andre Miller (D)New York Rangers	2018-2019	18	Univ. of Wisconsin	26	5	17	22	0.85	18	7
Shane Bowers (C/RW)Colorado Avalanche	2017-2018	18	Boston Univ.	40	17	15	32	0.80	14	16
Chaz Lucius (C) ActiveWinnipeg Jets	2021-2022	18	Univ. of Minnesota	24	9	10	19	0.79	23	5
Jacob Trouba (D)New York Rangers	2012-2013	18	Univ. of Michigan	37	12	17	29	0.78	88	-9
Matt Boldy (LW/RW)Minnesota Wild	2019-2020	18	Boston College	34	9	17	26	0.77	8	16
Alex Tuch (RW/C)Buffalo Sabres	2014-2015	18	Boston College	37	14	14	28	0.76	28	13
Mackie Samoskevich (RW/C) ActiveFlorida Panthers	2021-2022	19	Univ. of Michigan	40	10	19	29	0.73	12	10
Jack Roslovic (C/RW)Columbus Blue Jackets	2015-2016	18	Miami Univ. (Ohio)	36	10	16	26	0.72	18	-5
Mike Matheson (D)Pittsburgh Penguins	2012-2013	18	Boston College	36	8	17	25	0.69	78	15
Jake Sanderson (D) ActiveOttawa Senators	2020-2021	18	Univ. of North Dakota	22	2	13	15	0.68	4	20
Nick Schmaltz (C/RW)Arizona Coyotes	2014-2015	18	Univ. of North Dakota	38	5	21	26	0.68	12	3
Charlie McAvoy (D)Boston Bruins	2016-2017	19	Boston Univ.	38	5	21	26	0.68	51	9
Corson Ceulemans (D) ActiveColumbus Blue Jackets	2021-2022	18	Univ. of Wisconsin	34	7	15	22	0.65	33	-12
Cale Makar (D)Colorado Avalanche	2017-2018	19	UMass	34	5	16	21	0.62	20	9
Josh Norris (C)Ottawa Senators	2017-2018	18	Univ. of Michigan	37	8	15	23	0.62	24	-8
Oliver Wahlstrom (RW)New York Islanders	2018-2019	18	Boston College	36	8	11	19	0.53	28	-6
Mark Jankowski (C)Buffalo Sabres	2012-2013	18	Providence College	34	7	11	18	0.53	10	5
Cam York (D)Philadelphia Flyers	2019-2020	18	Univ. of Michigan	30	5	11	16	0.53	10	9
Johnny Beecher (C/LW) ActiveBoston Bruins	2019-2020	18	Univ. of Michigan	31	9	7	16	0.52	31	7
Dante Fabbro (D)Nashville Predators	2016-2017	18	Boston Univ.	36	6	12	18	0.50	16	6
Jacob Bernard-Docker (D)Ottawa Senators	2018-2019	18	Univ. of North Dakota	36	5	12	17	0.47	6	-3
Tyler Biggs (RW)	2011-2012	18	Miami Univ. (Ohio)	37	9	8	17	0.46	63	4
Riley Tufte (LW)Dallas Stars	2016-2017	18	Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth	37	9	7	16	0.43	26	15
Kieffer Bellows (LW/C)New York Islanders	2016-2017	18	Boston Univ.	34	7	7	14	0.41	40	-9
Dennis Cholowski (D)Seattle Kraken	2016-2017	18	St. Cloud State Univ.	36	1	11	12	0.33	14	-9
Jordan Schmaltz (D)	2012-2013	19	Univ. of North Dakota	42	3	9	12	0.29	31	9
Ryan Johnson (D) ActiveBuffalo Sabres	2019-2020	18	Univ. of Minnesota	37	0	8	8	0.22	20	-9
Jay O'Brien (C) ActivePhiladelphia Flyers	2018-2019	19	Providence College	25	2	3	5	0.20	10	1
Tyler Boucher (RW/LW) ActiveOttawa Senators	2021-2022	18	Boston Univ.	17	2	1	3	0.18	34	-6
Brady Skjei (D)Carolina Hurricanes	2012-2013	18	Univ. of Minnesota	36	1	2	3	0.08	14	11

 

[BigToe]

I like and hate this pick for you guys. He’s such a Flyers player.

I had him 2nd on my personal draft board behind Slafkovsky. So now I must hate him when he plays against the Sabres, and I really don’t wanna do that

Cutter for Ostlund right now. No trade backs.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Cutter for Ostlund right now. No trade backs.

In an alternate universe with a creative GM we have Ostlund and Kulich right now.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Cutter for Ostlund right now. No trade backs.

Done. Our board seems to not be a fan of him anyway because he wasn’t Kemmell or Lekkerimaki.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It’s so deeply weird how you can call a player a good prospect but think he was overdrafted because he went 5 instead of in the teens and this means you loathe him. Truly nutty shit. You have to be very good to go 22nd, let alone 15th. This isn’t even specific to Gauthier. It just seems to be how things work. This isn’t Trent Frederic going in Round 1 where the team drafting him is calling him a depth player.