Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 23: Tyson Foerster, RW, Barrie (OHL)

[CutOnDime97]

Is FC Hockey operating in opposite day or something. The first thing it talks about is how he's a plus skater then it calls his shot underwhelming and that he lacks power.

Lol yes that is extremely weird.

 

[Sombastate]

I like our scouting and drafting for almost 2 decades. I'll be upset with this pick when there's a reason to be upset with this pick.

Our worst draft pick in the last 10 years is a guy who would have been a monster if it wasn't for injuries, and a guy still playing college hockey. I'm not too worried.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

No idea who the person is that made the video, but projected him to go second round and likened him to Tyler Toffoli.

The things that jumped out in this small sample size of 14 minutes of quick clips:

1) I really like his wrist shot. All the write ups I read tonight rave about his one timer, but I think it's his wrist shot that will bag him goals at the NHL level.

2) He has really good hands. He made some good plays in tight spots and made some very smooth short, mid, and long distance passes.

3) He is god awful on zone exits, even when he has a lot of time. This can be coached out, but it's ugly.

4) He is a bit of a puck watcher, so he tends to glide or even stop (!) when watching the puck. This doesn't translate well to defensive zone play, either.

5) His skating needs help, but it's not as bad as I expected it to be. Unfortunately, the thing that probably can't be "fixed" (his first two strides; he does not have quick feet) may be the thing that prevents him from being a top 6 winger. If he's not a top 6 winger, he may not be an NHLer.

I hope Bobby Mac is right that he tracks to Mark Stone. That would be nice.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Is FC Hockey operating in opposite day or something. The first thing it talks about is how he's a plus skater then it calls his shot underwhelming and that he lacks power.

Seriously. They’re selling that product? There’s plenty of video out there. His shot is unbelievable, not underwhelming. His skating is poor.

But he seems a bit like an immature kid who could really improve with training.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No idea who the person is that made the video, but projected him to go second round and likened him to Tyler Toffoli.

The things that jumped out in this small sample size of 14 minutes of quick clips:

1) I really like his wrist shot. All the write ups I read tonight rave about his one timer, but I think it's his wrist shot that will bag him goals at the NHL level.

2) He has really good hands. He made some good plays in tight spots and made some very smooth short, mid, and long distance passes.

3) He is god awful on zone exits, even when he has a lot of time. This can be coached out, but it's ugly.

4) He is a bit of a puck watcher, so he tends to glide or even stop (!) when watching the puck. This doesn't translate well to defensive zone play, either.

5) His skating needs help, but it's not as bad as I expected it to be. Unfortunately, the thing that probably can't be "fixed" (his first two strides; he does not have quick feet) may be the thing that prevents him from being a top 6 winger. If he's not a top 6 winger, he may not be an NHLer.

I hope Bobby Mac is right that he tracks to Mark Stone. That would be nice.

Only if we fire Gordon.

 

[Magua]

I watched every clip I could find, and I watched his CHL Prospects game. It's not my favorite game viewing for sure, so I admit my read is laughably flimsy......but I find Foerster a confusing player. Not necessarily negative. I'm okay with identifying fixable flaws in a high pick, but confusion isn't my favorite prospect vibe for a 1st rounder. I'd probably feel more comfortable with him at 33 than 23.

At least in terms of stride, he's a long strider (he looks bigger than 6'2 even), and once he gets into his knee bend, his stride is far from broken. I also agree it looks cleaner off-puck. The mechanical issues seem fixable; Flahr said they followed his offseason closely. I have ranked poor skaters highly (Jason Robertson at ~15), so I don't have an inherent bias. But not all skating flaws are equal. I think it's his quickness and footwork that bother me more. Lot of upright, high center of gravity standing and sluggish starts.

I doubt he'll ever be more than mediocre as a transition player (I noticed the lazy flip dumps too) -- which isn't great in a league highly reliant on rush scoring -- but his short area skating left a lot to be desired in the o-zone too. He's got excellent reach and good hands, but I didn't exactly see a player adept at using his edges, spinning off guys, and protecting pucks. Seemed he just moved it instead. Conversely, he forechecked better than I figured when he had some momentum. I think that goes to the IQ.

His shot is high end. No point discussing that further. That will play on the PP. His hockey sense seems solid. He's not a tunnel vision shooter, and he'll move it accordingly. But I always ask myself: how will a player create 5v5 space as a pro? Having a great shot and getting that shot off are two VERY different things. Foerster seemed to drive the net hard, knew how to position himself, but again, will a player be reliant on others to find them? Or can they take the puck themselves into high danger situations? Space gets small in the NHL. You can sell me on his upside; you can sell me on his downside. Ergo: confusion. I'm still a little skeptical this wasn't something of a superficial box checking pick.

 

[Magua]

Just to add:



Actually, two did, so I'm not sure that's the argument you want to make with Perreault and Brisson (I'll concede more solid than plus) on the board.

 

[kudymen]

Just to add:



Actually, two did, so I'm not sure that's the argument you want to make with Perreault and Brisson (I'll concede more solid than plus) on the board.

I am not going to go through the past drafts but I am still calling horseshit, Charles.

 

[Adtar02]

One thing about Perreault, that was a weird team, 8 players with double digit goals, including 32, 39, 27, 20.
But crazy +/-: Perraault was -34, Guy -31, Bitten -23, Roth -21 - did anyone on that team play defense?
'Course the goalies were pretty bad, Gaudreau .890, Langevin .871. Though only 9 goalies had S% > .900 in the OHL.

Just FYI we didn’t draft Perrault and this isn’t his thread.

 

[Soup Enthusiast]

not awful, not great. hopefully the skating issue, and it is an issue, can be fixed sooner rather than later.

 

[BritainStix]

Gotta love it when fans trash a pick because of the exteremly limited YouTube clips they have seen.

 

[Magua]

Gotta love it when fans trash a pick because of the exteremly limited YouTube clips they have seen.

Define "trash." I admitted my read is flimsy and confused, good and bad. I also am not a neophyte at evaluating prospects after spending hundreds and hundreds of hours a year doing this. If you know what you're looking for, it takes far fewer games than you imagine to roughly evaluate a player. I don't think my takes have changed one iota since the first game I saw, say, Laczynski or Millman or Farabee, etc. I also have analytical samples and others to corroborate things. Do you have anything of substance to add on Tyson Foerster?

 

[trostol]

I am not going to go through the past drafts but I am still calling horseshit, Charles.

Charlie has had some strange takes for the last little while

 

[Ghosts Beer]

There’s a reason Perrault went 27th.

Foerster is intriguing to me. He’s smart. Fantastic shot. Good frame. A lot of room to improve. I like him better than Perrault.

That said, he needs a lot of polishing.

 

[DancingPanther]

Define "trash." I admitted my read is flimsy and confused, good and bad. I also am not a neophyte at evaluating prospects after spending hundreds and hundreds of hours a year doing this. If you know what you're looking for, it takes far fewer games than you imagine to roughly evaluate a player. I don't think my takes have changed one iota since the first game I saw, say, Laczynski or Millman or Farabee, etc. I also have analytical samples and others to corroborate things. Do you have anything of substance to add on Tyson Foerster?

I'd like to add the kid has 1 e too many in his name. Can we trade his extra e to Frk in exchange for some increased skating attributes?

 

[flyerslducks]

No idea who the person is that made the video, but projected him to go second round and likened him to Tyler Toffoli.

The things that jumped out in this small sample size of 14 minutes of quick clips:

1) I really like his wrist shot. All the write ups I read tonight rave about his one timer, but I think it's his wrist shot that will bag him goals at the NHL level.

2) He has really good hands. He made some good plays in tight spots and made some very smooth short, mid, and long distance passes.

3) He is god awful on zone exits, even when he has a lot of time. This can be coached out, but it's ugly.

4) He is a bit of a puck watcher, so he tends to glide or even stop (!) when watching the puck. This doesn't translate well to defensive zone play, either.

5) His skating needs help, but it's not as bad as I expected it to be. Unfortunately, the thing that probably can't be "fixed" (his first two strides; he does not have quick feet) may be the thing that prevents him from being a top 6 winger. If he's not a top 6 winger, he may not be an NHLer.

I hope Bobby Mac is right that he tracks to Mark Stone. That would be nice.

the first two are great skills to have. From the highlights, I think we might have found our replacement on the giroux side of the powerplay when g is gone. Frost can be in voraceks spot and tk can be in the couts spot while we run the pp through frost. Might be our future setup?

 

[Tripod]

There’s a reason Perrault went 27th.

Foerster is intriguing to me. He’s smart. Fantastic shot. Good frame. A lot of room to improve. I like him better than Perrault.

That said, he needs a lot of polishing.

well we have lots of "fans" who do that here...lol.

Joking aside, Burke said that GM's view skating as the #2 fixable flaw in a player with strength being #1. So seeing him already improve his skating saw his draft status improve and they pointed out that he knows he needs to improve it and is working hard in the offseason to make it better.

Personally, a comment I liked was that someone said he had a Scheifele like passion for hockey. MS is known for being all about hockey, similar how Provy seems to be. And that type of attitude should go a long way in helping him improve his skating flaws. Seems like he wil put the work in to fix it.

Guess we will see. Hopefully when the OHL season starts, we see the comments about how much better his skating has become since the end of last year. Remembering back to the comments on Myers and how he looked like a different player compared to the year before.

 

[Tripod]

Oh, I do wonder, does he project as a C or wing as shooters are typically wingers. Mind you Scheifele has a great shot from C.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

I don't know how to feel about the pick. If Foerster can improve his leg strength and footwork, this could be a homerun pick. Watching video last night and this morning, he always seems to be in the right place and the puck always seems to be around him, so his positional awareness is bang on. And the offensive skills he has simply can't be taught.

One other thing I noticed. The Flyers are really building some size and skill on the wings. I'll be interested to see what Fletcher does with his 2nd round puck. Does he continue down the path of wingers with size or does he take a gamble on one of the defensemen available. Lots of good options still available.

 

[ajgoal]

I'm cautiously optimistic for right now. From everything I hear, his three best tools are his shot, passing, and IQ. It would be nice if skating didn't need to be fixed, but at least it can be. I'm not a draftnik, even less so this year, so I don't really have a player I would have preferred in this spot. While I'll defer to the folks who do dive deep into this who say there might have been better choices on the board, it doesn't sound like a flat out bad pick.

 

[kudymen]

Twitter is love, love is Twitter

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I am hoping to be dead wrong and his skating improves and the players that I liked better that are drafted after him all devolve into horrid piles of puke that make me look dumb for having considered them.

Let's hope there is a Brink-like move to open the second. We can trade a third rou...oh, wait, we don't have one?

The good news in that is that we have Binksy. This f***ig guy can go chop wood or whatever.

I can't get the song "I Love You, Honeybear" out of my head, because I made the mistake of allowing this pick to remind me of the Water Bear.

 

[TB87]

Twitter is love, love is Twitter

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This is an excellent example of the inane conversations held on the ole twitter machine. Lots of words & posturing with nothing of substance to be found

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Matthew Strome Scouting Report: 2017 NHL Draft #43

Height 6’3″ — Weight 203 lbs

Hamilton Bulldogs

OHL

66

34

28

62

62

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Foerster:
Ht: 6’1” Wt: 194 lbs

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Foerster:

2019-20

Barrie Colts

OHL

62

36

44

80

53

-17

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

All in all not that different from one another. I have no clue of drafting and dont wanna go too deep, but from all i saw in scouting reports and clips he didn´t impress me.

But i will try to be optimistic cause i cant suffer more in the next years with 1rd Draft Picks like Jay O'Brien

And hey this following scouting report maybe is spot on and we got ourselves a nice player!

He's most comfortable setting up shop at the top of the left face-off circle, taking cross-ice feeds, and one-timing them on net with power. He sets up his feeds really well, scanning the ice for where his target will be, looking on the pass and threatening to shoot. He's got one of the best shots in the draft, can see the ice well, and possesses plus-defensive instincts. -EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide

 

[Striiker]

The fact that this doesn’t look like a Flyers-type draft pick is what’s most worrying. This isn’t the type of guy we targeted with our last 9 firsts during the Hextall era and Fletchers first draft. In fact, this seems like the kind of player we’d have avoided. The type all the causal fans go nuts over... the big body “sniper”.

It makes me worry that Fletcher and his hires are now interfering with things they shouldn’t be messing with. Drafting was the thing that’s kept us afloat during these years of incompetence... and if that changes we’re truly f***ed.

And again, I’m not even against this kid or anything like that. It’s the apparent mentality behind the pick that’s so concerning. Both drafting for “need“ and not even properly recognizing what our needs are.