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Round 1 Game 3 Sharks @ Kings: Kings Lose 4-3; Sharks Lead series 3-0

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Brad Doty said:
Refresher: Hawks didn't 'let guys go' on purpose, Tallon ****ing forgot how to work a fax machine and the rest is history.

They retooled, added youth, added good compliments, and watched them develop, and now they're just fine. Do you think we're beyond doing that? I sure don't.

No, we haven't won the Cup twice in 4 years and not many teams have/will, just like not many teams have/will won the CUp then hit the WCF the year after. Sometimes teams take a step back before a step forward is my point, but the prevailing opinion is that we're toast/dead-in-the-water when really we have the core and assets to compete for at least several more years.



You should look up why.

Hint: They have a slew of first-round picks in front of him and no dead weight.
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Oh I know he got shafted by the cap. But they turned out pretty good. He was forced to do it, but it actually makes sense logically to do that.
 
Herby said:
Not the savior.

He will take over Greene's role as the 7th d-man and save the Kings $2 million in cap space. He should not be seen as a savior.

But with Greene and Mitchell gone that is about $6.5 mill in cap space and McNabb takes over almost $1 mill. That leaves a nice chunk of change to use towards a replacement for Mitchell and cover raises for AMart and Muzzin.

Richards will be bought out, that is $5.75 million, assuming Vey replaces him as 4C that is $4.75 mill to get a winger to play with Carter. Plus the cap is going up a bit.

Kings will be ok cap wise if Dean is willing to say bye to some of his "sons"
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I doubt Richards is going anywhere, if he is bought out, DL better tread lightly around Uncle Phil.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
Beauty logic by them, honestly, I'd rather have faith in some amazing players coming up and exiting knowing better players will replace them soon. Who do we have to rely on us to save us ? No one.


Many teams will start trying to do similar things to that.it's literally impossible to get players to play the same way after they won the cup.
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That was a pretty unique scenario though.
 
The Defense has been the biggest problem with the puck possession falling off.

The Sharks are making the D cough up the puck quickly and not make plays.
 
I sure wish we could save those compliance buyouts for another year or two so we have some more time to judge Brown and Richards.

They both had the worst seasons of their career, now could that be coincidence or an omen for the future? I think that's the hard part for Dean.
 
Nose of Sutter said:
I sure wish we could save those compliance buyouts for another year or two so we have some more time to judge Brown and Richards.

They both had the worst seasons of their career, now could that be coincidence or an omen for the future? I think that's the hard part for Dean.
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From my understanding you can still buy contracts out, the only catch after 2014 is.....You pay a portion of the cap (25%) over the life of the contract.

2014 is the last year of the (Free and Clear buyouts).
 
Reclamation Project said:
That was a pretty unique scenario though.
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Think of it like this.

Keep your core together, and replace the complimentary pieces for some some picks and young talent, and you get the hunger into the line up, with the experience of the core.

Complacency is less likely to be an issue.
 
Leo W said:
It won't be hard to find a buyer for Richards, IMO.
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So if Mike Richards were a FA tomorrow do you think any team in the NHL would offer him 6 years, $35 million?

If you think the answer is yes, then well maybe there would be a market for Richards. I personally don't think there is anyone who would come close to offering that, so either the Kings retain salary or take on someone like Brian Campbell.

Plus, this isn't a video game, the only teams with the cap space to acquire MR are teams like Edmonton, Buffalo and Florida. We saw what happened with Carter in Columbus. If you are the GM in Edmonton or Florida are you confident in bringing in Mike Richards, paying him $35 million over six years and expecting him to come into a bad situation after playing most of his career on contenders?

I just don't see a market for him, he is a bottom six player with the contract of an elite second line center.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
Think of it like this.

Keep your core together, and replace the complimentary pieces for some some picks and young talent, and you get the hunger into the line up, with the experience of the core.

Complacency is less likely to be an issue.
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I've already said that our four player core is as good as anyone's in the league - Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick.
 
Herby said:
So if Mike Richards were a FA tomorrow do you think any team in the NHL would offer him 6 years, $35 million?

If you think the answer is yes, then well maybe there would be a market for Richards. I personally don't think there is anyone who would come close to offering that, so either the Kings retain salary or take on someone like Brian Campbell.

Plus, this isn't a video game, the only teams with the cap space to acquire MR are teams like Edmonton, Buffalo and Florida. We saw what happened with Carter in Columbus. If you are the GM in Edmonton or Florida are you confident in bringing in Mike Richards, paying him $35 million over six years and expecting him to come into a bad situation after playing most of his career on contenders?

I just don't see a market for him, he is a bottom six player with the contract of an elite second line center.
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This....

Just because a team has cap space.....Doesn't even mean they are allowed to spend it.

Plenty of NHL teams have internal CAP (restrictions) that their owners DEMAND be met.

The Cap is already tight for a lot of teams.
 
Herby said:
So if Mike Richards were a FA tomorrow do you think any team in the NHL would offer him 6 years, $35 million?

If you think the answer is yes, then well maybe there would be a market for Richards. I personally don't think there is anyone who would come close to offering that, so either the Kings retain salary or take on someone like Brian Campbell.

Plus, this isn't a video game, the only teams with the cap space to acquire MR are teams like Edmonton, Buffalo and Florida. We saw what happened with Carter in Columbus. If you are the GM in Edmonton or Florida are you confident in bringing in Mike Richards, paying him $35 million over six years and expecting him to come into a bad situation after playing most of his career on contenders?

I just don't see a market for him, he is a bottom six player with the contract of an elite second line center.
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Well with the offense like the Kings, you insert Richards back into Philly or a more offensive minded team, I can see Richards stats going back up.

I think other teams would give players like Richards the benefit of the doubt, the guy couldn't thrive in the Kings system. I mean aside from this year, the guy is a perennial winner on a terrible offensive team.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
Think of it like this.

Keep your core together, and replace the complimentary pieces for some some picks and young talent, and you get the hunger into the line up, with the experience of the core.

Complacency is less likely to be an issue.
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Won't do much good if the coach won't play them over vets. This has been Sutters MO since forever.
 
one things for sure, after thursday, i wont have any more broken remotes and smashed chairs lying around.

playoff hockey is too stressful
 
kingfansince1967 said:
Darryl Sutter: "It’s a tough hill and we won’t go quietly away, that’s for sure."

To what point can this man be delusional ?
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I don't see at all what is delusional about that. That is totally the right attitude.

KingKopitar11 said:
Think of it like this.

Keep your core together, and replace the complimentary pieces for some some picks and young talent, and you get the hunger into the line up, with the experience of the core.

Complacency is less likely to be an issue.
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I fully agree with this. I just don't see omg dismal failure with a team that's been to the cup, WCF, and (presumably, though 'ts not done) a first-round exit in consecutvie years. IT's not like our core is 35+. We can retool like any other contenders can.

Boston lost a top center in Marc Savard for nothing and they're supplementing their system by trading big names and bringing youth along slowly. Since our system is more like theirs, maybe that's a better comparable than Chicago? I dunno.
 
reset said:
one things for sure, after thursday, i wont have any more broken remotes and smashed chairs lying around.

playoff hockey is too stressful
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Amen.

I love Quick and I know the defense let him down, but could Martin Jones do any worse next game? Real question. 17 goals in 3 games. 5.67 goals per game average.

Who were your top players tonight?

ETA: thanks for the corrected GAA. Forgot to account for overtime.
 
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Brad Doty said:
I fully agree with this. I just don't see omg dismal failure with a team that's been to the cup, WCF, and (presumably, though 'ts not done) a first-round exit in consecutvie years. IT's not like our core is 35+. We can retool like any other contenders can.

Boston lost a top center in Marc Savard for nothing and they're supplementing their system by trading big names and bringing youth along slowly. Since our system is more like theirs, maybe that's a better comparable than Chicago? I dunno.
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Exactly! I think we will be just fine going forward, I trust Dean to handle it. Although my opinion is unpopular, I support giving Richie an opportunity to bounce back next season.
 
My only concern is the Defense.

It has too get younger, and with that comes mistakes.....It might be a wild ride on the Blue-Line next year.

Really the only guy that is ready McNabb.

Forbort needs another year, Gravel needs a year as well.
 
ShattStar03 said:
Well with the offense like the Kings, you insert Richards back into Philly or a more offensive minded team, I can see Richards stats going back up.

I think other teams would give players like Richards the benefit of the doubt, the guy couldn't thrive in the Kings system. I mean aside from this year, the guy is a perennial winner on a terrible offensive team.
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But it's not only the offensive stats.

Everything has fallen off the cliff. Offense, defense, speed, short handed threat and physical play.

If you watched a game from 2010 and a game from 2014 you wouldn't even know it's the same player.
 
People also forget that adding speed and losing size, while not mutually exclusive, is a tradeoff. We added Gaborik to the top line, we become softer. If we lose all the backend grit, sure, we'll have better foot speed, but you'd better believe we're gonna get pounded on the forecheck instead. It's a matchups game. You'll never have 6 ideal defensemen unless it's 2012 because unless they're all all-around guys like Doughty they will be scouted and gameplanned.
 
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