Round 1 Game 3 Sharks @ Kings: Kings Lose 4-3; Sharks Lead series 3-0

[Herby]

Great post Richie10.

People love to talk about the Kings scouting and drafting in the later rounds, and the Kings have been able to find complimentary players, but the reality is that most core players in the league are former first round picks.

Since DL took over these are the first round picks

2006. Jonathan Bernier - (traded)
2006. Trevor Lewis - (4th liner)
2007. Thomas Hickey - (bust)
2008. Drew Doughty - (star defenseman)
2008. Colten Teubert - (bust)
2009. Brayden Schenn - (traded)
2010. Derek Forbort (no NHL games)
2011. Pick traded for Penner
2012. Pearson (NHL'er)
2013. Pick traded for Carter

It's hard to replace guys like Richards, Brown and Williams when you have missed on so many promising picks.

 

[damacles1156]

2007-2008, first and last goals that brown scored that season were assisted by none other than Kopitar at even strength. I didn't bother to look at any of the other games, but to say he didn't get any time with Kopitar prior to 2012 is just plain wrong.

Brown was also being given tons of 1st line PP time, which will obviously inflate his totals as well. Brown is no longer going to be on the 1st line PP, I stand by my statement he will not score 20 goals again without playing on a top line to carry his play.

If you don't agree with my opinion it's one thing, but to start calling people out for being stupid is about as solid as the kings postseason so far.

He played a shift here or there, That's why I said regular shift.

You guys are trying to make Brown out as some sort of product of Kopitar which is false.

He will post 20 goals again next year, it will happen.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

This isn't really at you KK but more using your quote as a springboard--I think that's unfair to a lot of very reasonable posters. It would almost have been dumber of DL to dismantle the team this year than to let it play out. If you're just about any other GM, going to the cup finals, the WCF, and then despite our slump having one of the best regular seasons in Kings history, tinkering heavily with your lineup is a little bit foolhardy. I think you'll find people much more accepting of change discussions this offseason now that DL has given this group of players the chance to replicate their earlier success.

The wcf trek we got outplayed every series. That was unacceptable idc how far we got but we didn't deserve getting that far while every team out played us.

With that said, you're still right , that's why I said some and didn't generalize.because there are people who are holding so tightly on players that are completely replaceable.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Robyn Regehr's smothering defensive coverage

That GEICO sign had it comin'!

ASk Cub fans if they would give up the future for a WS ?

Lombardi gambled and it worked....

If the Kings are trash from here on out, at Least I can say....

"I have seen my team win a Cup in my lifetime".

They won't be trash.

 

[kingscourt26]

2007-2008, first and last goals that brown scored that season were assisted by none other than Kopitar at even strength. I didn't bother to look at any of the other games, but to say he didn't get any time with Kopitar prior to 2012 is just plain wrong.

Brown was also being given tons of 1st line PP time, which will obviously inflate his totals as well. Brown is no longer going to be on the 1st line PP, I stand by my statement he will not score 20 goals again without playing on a top line to carry his play.

If you don't agree with my opinion it's one thing, but to start calling people out for being stupid is about as solid as the kings postseason so far.

Agreed. I got crap for calling Brown a glorified 3rd liner since day one. Turns out, he's a glorified 3rd liner.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Agreed. I got crap for calling Brown a glorified 3rd liner since day one. Turns out, he's a glorified 3rd liner.

That's because you deserve to get crap for that.

Go look how many third liners perennially have 50-60 points. Now go how look how many of those folks with over 50-60 points have 200+ hits.

Hint: there are only two players in that category.

 

[damacles1156]

Brown scored 15 goals in the worst season of his career playing the majority of the season in the Third and Second line.....

With less PP time......

Again.....Can we not be idiots.....

So Brown trips over or somehow gets 1 more seeing eye single every two weeks out of this season....

He would have been a 25g scorer in the worse year he has ever had....

It's not out of the realm of possibility he makes 20g again next year.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Great post Richie10.

People love to talk about the Kings scouting and drafting in the later rounds, and the Kings have been able to find complimentary players, but the reality is that most core players in the league are former first round picks.

Since DL took over these are the first round picks

2006. Jonathan Bernier - (traded)
2006. Trevor Lewis - (4th liner)
2007. Thomas Hickey - (bust)
2008. Drew Doughty - (star defenseman)
2008. Colten Teubert - (bust)
2009. Brayden Schenn - (traded)
2010. Derek Forbort (no NHL games)
2011. Pick traded for Penner
2012. Pearson (NHL'er)
2013. Pick traded for Carter

It's hard to replace guys like Richards, Brown and Williams when you have missed on so many promising picks.

That is some bad first round drafting.

 

[damacles1156]

Agreed. I got crap for calling Brown a glorified 3rd liner since day one. Turns out, he's a glorified 3rd liner.

Because that's a stupid statement.....

 

[Herby]

Cup > Potential

Seven damn days a week.

I agree with you, so don't take this the wrong way.

But DL was quoted as saying his goal was to compete year after year and not just for a couple of years. Obviously it worked out in 2012, but I don't think part of DL's master plan was to be dominated and likely swept in the first round in 2014 with the team trending downward for 2015 (which I don't think is unfair).

Again, you always take the SC. But I think part of the his moves in 2012 were to save his job, I don't think anyone thought Jeff Carter was going to put the Kings over the top as a SC contender. But if the Kings missed the playoffs in 2012 Dean was probably going to be fired.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Great post Richie10.

People love to talk about the Kings scouting and drafting in the later rounds, and the Kings have been able to find complimentary players, but the reality is that most core players in the league are former first round picks.

Since DL took over these are the first round picks

2006. Jonathan Bernier - (traded)
2006. Trevor Lewis - (4th liner)
2007. Thomas Hickey - (bust)
2008. Drew Doughty - (star defenseman)
2008. Colten Teubert - (bust)
2009. Brayden Schenn - (traded)
2010. Derek Forbort (no NHL games)
2011. Pick traded for Penner
2012. Pearson (NHL'er)
2013. Pick traded for Carter

It's hard to replace guys like Richards, Brown and Williams when you have missed on so many promising picks.

Come on, man. If you're gonna get into hindsight drafting, at least provide your list of perfect picks.

Hell I even did one of those in a thread on the main board a while back.

We coulda had Martin Brodeur.

 

[dryz]

I know the Kings were in WCF last year but it's not like they played good hockey. Maybe we can retool but I don't see the right pieces available.

 

[BigKing]

Changes need to be made, obviously, but they also aren't as bad as we are making them out to be. Still, this is a CRUCIAL summer for Dean Lombardi.

Look at the Ducks with their young forwards. Bonino? Are you kidding me? Sutter needs to warm up to playing offensively gifted youngsters instead of knocking them in the press and having them ride the pine for a grinder.

Quick has been absolute garbage this series. GARBAGE. Guy is Kings royalty and, honestly, the entire team gets a pass for winning the Cup and then going to the WCF in consecutive seasons. He hasn't been great this year and, weak defense aside, he's been awful this playoff series. His play on the whole is the biggest difference I see this playoff season...he looks like 2011 Quick against SJ.

To me, the team looks beat. Too much hockey played and not enough hunger against a franchise that has never won and is absolutely starving for a Cup. Again, I mock those of you that wanted SJ instead of Anaheim. Give your head a shake.

Vey needs to play next season. There has not been any youth injected into the lineup after 2012 except Muzzin and a, for the most part, dicked-around Toffoli. Made the WCF with pretty much the same team but are now looking at a probable sweep two years later.

Brown will rebound with time off and possibly surgery on that knee. The issue with this team is: who's next? Been banging the drum for awhile but it is time to see how good this development system really is. Everyone j/o's over it but none of these guys are crushing the NHL. Time to prove how good the development system is because, due to all these long-term deals, Kings need cheap talent.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I agree with you, so don't take this the wrong way.

But DL was quoted as saying his goal was to compete year after year and not just for a couple of years. Obviously it worked out in 2012, but I don't think part of DL's master plan was to be dominated and likely swept in the first round in 2014 with the team trending downward for 2015 (which I don't think is unfair).

Again, you always take the SC. But I think part of the his moves in 2012 were to save his job, I don't think anyone thought Jeff Carter was going to put the Kings over the top as a SC contender. But if the Kings missed the playoffs in 2012 Dean was probably going to be fired.

Like I've said, when your core is Jeff Carter, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, and Jonathan Quick, you can retool and come back with a vengeance. That is as good of a core as anyone in the league.

And I see a strong season next year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I agree with you, so don't take this the wrong way.

But DL was quoted as saying his goal was to compete year after year and not just for a couple of years. Obviously it worked out in 2012, but I don't think part of DL's master plan was to be dominated and likely swept in the first round in 2014 with the team trending downward for 2015 (which I don't think is unfair).

Again, you always take the SC. But I think part of the his moves in 2012 were to save his job, I don't think anyone thought Jeff Carter was going to put the Kings over the top as a SC contender. But if the Kings missed the playoffs in 2012 Dean was probably going to be fired.

Agreed. As you have said elsewhere though, no one expected Richards to give us less than several years of being Mike Richards. That's a gamble everyone would have taken at that time. We knew how good Simmonds could be, but Schenn was a real wild-card (and still is) after injuries and disappearing in big games throughout his career. The Richards move fit the narrative of competing year-after-year while accelerating it a bit by adding an important element in a true #2 C.

 

[Bandit]

Agreed. I got crap for calling Brown a glorified 3rd liner since day one. Turns out, he's a glorified 3rd liner.

Yes, but the glory was pretty ****ing spectacular...

I think some of you forget just how ****ing awesome that was, and only 2 years removed.

 

[Herby]

Come on, man. If you're gonna get into hindsight drafting, at least provide your list of perfect picks.

I'm not playing the monday morning qb thing.

Just saying the Kings have had to turn to quick fix guys like RR and Mitchell and have struggled to fill the forward holes because of the misses in the first round.

Do you not agree that most core players in the NHL are former first round picks?

We all want to give the Kings credit for all the great later round picks, but it's also fair to say the team has really struggled in the first round.

Right now we have major holes on the blue line and in the top six and will likely need to look outside of the organization to address them.

 

[damacles1156]

I agree with you, so don't take this the wrong way.

But DL was quoted as saying his goal was to compete year after year and not just for a couple of years. Obviously it worked out in 2012, but I don't think part of DL's master plan was to be dominated and likely swept in the first round in 2014 with the team trending downward for 2015 (which I don't think is unfair).

Again, you always take the SC. But I think part of the his moves in 2012 were to save his job, I don't think anyone thought Jeff Carter was going to put the Kings over the top as a SC contender. But if the Kings missed the playoffs in 2012 Dean was probably going to be fired.

If You could have predicted Mike Richards game falling off a cliff....I want the lottery numbers Herby.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I'm not playing the monday morning qb thing.

Just saying the Kings have had to turn to quick fix guys like RR and Mitchell and have struggled to fill the forward holes because of the misses in the first round.

Do you not agree that most core players in the NHL are former first round picks?

We all want to give the Kings credit for all the great later round picks, but it's also fair to say the team has really struggled in the first round.

Right now we have major holes on the blue line and in the top six and will likely need to look outside of the organization to address them.

This isn't unique to the Kings. There isn't a single team that slam dunks every 1st round.

 

[Herby]

Agreed. As you have said elsewhere though, no one expected Richards to give us less than several years of being Mike Richards. That's a gamble everyone would have taken at that time. We knew how good Simmonds could be, but Schenn was a real wild-card (and still is) after injuries and disappearing in big games throughout his career. The Richards move fit the narrative of competing year-after-year while accelerating it a bit by adding an important element in a true #2 C.

Oh I agree with you. I said to RC in another post I'm not sure any team in the NHL could realistically handle their first line lw and second line center turning into fourth liners overnight. Those players collapsing obviously threw a wrench into his plans.

Dean definitely had some poor luck in what has happened with Richards, we all knew long term Philly would probably win the trade, but I think getting 5-6 good years out of Richards was a fair expectation, not one good year, one pretty good year and a dismal year

 

[Bandit]

This isn't unique to the Kings. There isn't a single team that slam dunks every 1st round.

Or Henrik Zetterberg's the 7th round...

 

[Herby]

This isn't unique to the Kings. There isn't a single team that slam dunks every 1st round.

I realize that. But how many teams in the NHL have not drafted and developed a top six forward in eight years.

I know not every pick is going to be a boom, but it's hard to fill your roster when you miss on three defenseman in four years.

 

[BigKing]

Yes, but the glory was pretty ****ing spectacular...

I think some of you forget just how ****ing awesome that was, and only 2 years removed.

Best two-year run since the Pens/Wings years. They absolutely get no hate from me for this season.

That effing ends Game 1 of next season. For me, this is the end of any "Oh, but I love the 2012 guys" BS. I've been over it, actually, but I've been okay with giving it a shot again this season. Not anymore.

DL hasn't done **** since they won the Cup, if you think about it. Nothing that will make the Kings long-term contenders anyways.

Huge summer for the franchise. Let's hope they crush the 1st round draft pick and the core benefits from a lot of time off.

 

[Winger23]

He played a shift here or there, That's why I said regular shift.

You guys are trying to make Brown out as some sort of product of Kopitar which is false.

He will post 20 goals again next year, it will happen.

Sigh. Again, please go back and look. They played together. I just randomly looked through a few more games from that year.

April 5th, Brown from Kopi EV.
March 20th, Brown from Kopi SH.
March 4th, Brown from Kopi EV.
Jan 19th, Brown from Kopi EV.

He's not going to score 20 again without being on the top line, period.

 

[damacles1156]

the Draft is a crap shoot folks. The idea is to land TWO roster players out of every draft.

So far Futa is about batting 1000. The Kings do lack top end talent out out of the draft.

But they are doing what you are suppose to do with the draft. That is land Roster players.