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Prospect Info: Round 1, 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)
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ajgoal
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But in ideal world, isn't he good enough that they're signing him to 8 years off his ELC, rather than bridging him up to the expiry of his RFA time and signing him to an expensive long-term deal while he's coming out of his prime?
ProcessThis
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We don't know when Michkov is getting here. You'll get a different opinion with every refresh, so I was speaking on a hypothetical. But if Michkov plays out his contract in Russia, he probably won't play for Torts. We all know Torts age and shelf life, and it's about four to five years max. But for right this second, he's a solid coach for what this team is.
JojoTheWhale
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I think the time of defaulting to 8 years post-ELC for high-end players is over. Once some of them broke rank, it became a question of whether or not they were willing. He might be. But he might not. I sure as hell don’t know.
Striiker
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Typical of a Dan to abuse mod powers and move my post behind his.
smh my dang head
ajgoal
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Even so though, is the cost difference likely to be significantly less if he has 5 years to UFA or 6? Honest question.
To my mind the benefits of having him off the roster, maturing as a player without having a positive effect on the team's standings points would seem to outweigh the cost of losing one year of RFA status.
JojoTheWhale
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If I get time today, I will look into this. I don’t think you can answer that question without actual numbers.
FLYguy3911
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My mind is mush right now, but generally, the more RFA years you have remaining, the cheaper the long term extension. If his ELC started in 25-26 he would be eligible for an extension starting with the 28-29 season and at that point he’d have 4 RFA years remaining. If his ELC starts in 26-27 like many anticipate, the extension starts 29-30 (hurts to type out) with 3 RFA years. I’m not going to begin to speculate what the RFA landscape looks like that far away but that’s the gist of it.
There’s also the scenario where his KHL contract runs out after the 25-26 season and the Flyers are somehow still playing and he joins the team and burns that first year off in 25-26 and will have two ELC years remaining and 4 RFA years.
There are also arb rights to consider. If he doesn’t have arb rights he has less leverage and that usually means less $$$.
You want winning hockey but the things that you're advocating for are antithetical to winning hockey in today's world. You probably also lament that the Eagles don't pound the ball on the ground 50 times a game.
Beef Invictus
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lol
Montreal and Philly are the two most futile management groups. Vancouver tries to contend with them, but they're just feeble.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
I want winning hockey.
Tortorella is loser hockey. Hence my staunch opposition that dates back to his time in NY, when he proved to me that he's a loser and always will be unless he changes everything about himself.
ProcessThis
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Considering Hurts is the QB, they probably should. That's why they signed two RBs this off-season. That's where their advantage is, and it opens everything up for D. Smith, AJ and Goedert. The Eagles plan A is play physical and control the clock.
Also, advocating for guys to play physical and up on their skates still wins. I'm not asking for a return of Jody Shelly. I just want size, speed and skill with some edge to them. This team has acquired nothing but empty vessels for years.
Hollywood Cannon
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Maybe we should put a pin in this conversation for about 10 years, at which you might have entered the 21st century.
Rich Nixon
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Hi I'm here to also pile on.
I don't think Torts is a good coach for what this team is. I think the Hayes situation was a perfect example of that.
What this team is right now is a rebuilder. And that means it needs a coach that can swallow his own ego and take direction. The rebuild needs to be led by management—the folks who make personnel decisions. The coach is there to help develop the young players and do what he's told. I agree completely with Torts that Hayes is a lazy and uninspiring sack of shit. But he proved whatever point he was gonna prove by burying the player in the lineup, and he completely tanked his value. That made it harder for management to get good assets for the player.
Torts preaches his SOLID FOUNDATION and ACCOUNTABILITY bullshit, and that's all sexy and cool in theory. But in practice? It's bullshit. You wanna see how long that CULTURE and STANDARD last once he's gone? Well, the last team he coached is right in the Flyers division. Surely, that franchise must have ascended and remained COMPETITIVE and ACCOUNTABLE in his absence, no? What's that? They're still garbage? Oh, ok.
Torts isn't a bad coach and I don't dislike him as a person. I think he's genuine. I think he tries to be honest, with the flaw being that he's a regular-ass human who sometimes thinks he's doing one thing when he's actually doing another. Expresses great intentions, defies them in action. And has a huge ego that prevents him from really seeing that about himself.
The biggest problem is that the franchise is certain the man is a real hockey genius and has given him completely outsized influence based on that. And since his ego isn't gonna shrink anytime soon, I think that's just a recipe for more scuttled value and confused/stunted prospects.
But maybe when his contract runs out he can graduate up to an office job and bring in his old assistant Mike Sullivan. That's a guy from the Torts tree that I'd like to have coaching Michkov.
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Striiker
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Over here minding my own damn business and still catching strays
Dr Jablonski PhD
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Has anyone pointed out that Michkov's 20 points in 27 games came on a team that had 11 wins and 47 losses? Yeah opportunity, but he hardly had anything to work with. Additionally, something like 17/20 of his points were even strength, and his shooting percentage in Sochi was abnormally low for him. I also am very impressed to see how much ground he covers and how tenacious he is on loose pucks. Very possibly he could be underrated, which is insane
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JojoTheWhale
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The bright side of days like this is that I think it points to me being fair to Hurts. Because there are plenty of spots where I do defend him -- arm strength, whatever the hell this is, etc.
I have zero desire to be negative for the sake of it. Zero.
Striiker
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You’re missing out.
Before the draft I said “No matter who they pick, if he’s over 5’9” I’m going to be so negative…”.
It’s been a blast.
Redpath
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ASF on STG:
- Apparently Michkov was originally scheduled to throw out the Phillies first pitch with Oliver Bonk. He thought that was interesting that no one reported on that
- ASF credits the Flyers for doing such a good job bringing Michkov in, how excited Michkov was with the Flyers. "He wants to play for the Flyers, and soon."
- "If he wants to get over, he's going to get over. It's not going to be a problem getting him here. It's just not. The question is when. And I think the Flyers are perfectly fine with him staying in Russia another year, he'd be like a junior hockey player. I wouldn't be surprised if he's here next year." From everything ASF is hearing, he wouldn't be surprised if next year is the year Michkov tries to get over.
- Apparently Michkov was originally scheduled to throw out the Phillies first pitch with Oliver Bonk. He thought that was interesting that no one reported on that
- ASF credits the Flyers for doing such a good job bringing Michkov in, how excited Michkov was with the Flyers. "He wants to play for the Flyers, and soon."
- "If he wants to get over, he's going to get over. It's not going to be a problem getting him here. It's just not. The question is when. And I think the Flyers are perfectly fine with him staying in Russia another year, he'd be like a junior hockey player. I wouldn't be surprised if he's here next year." From everything ASF is hearing, he wouldn't be surprised if next year is the year Michkov tries to get over.
Striiker
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AdamParrot
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Then we need fire Torts until 30th May 2024.
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