Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[McRanger92]

I honestly don't really care if they sign Tuch

He's fine, the cap is going up up up (until the world economy crashes because of the Iran business), teams are kinda showing here that fretting over money numbers and cap hits isn't as much of a concern any longer as long as you're not extremely stupid about it. Tuch would probably just be kinda stupid

e: like I dunno what Tuch really gets in a contract but I'd kinda rather just pay him $8 mill than to sign 3-4 shitty bottom six guys for $2 mill each and watch them do jack shit and flame out of the lineup within the year

If they are going to try to win with Igor and Fox they might as well go for Tuch and Robertson. The Team USA All-Snub Team with Foxy. I just want the show to drop.

 

[Levitate]

If they are going to try to win with Igor and Fox they might as well go for Tuch and Robertson. The Team USA All-Snub Team with Foxy. I just want the show to drop.

I honestly dunno what they're gonna do and how they'll do it. Like, I don't think they're interested in tearing it down, I think they want to figure out how to spin it back up around Fox and Igor at least while they're in their primes, but also do it as a mix of drafting for the future and acquiring both vets and young players if they can

but that kinda feels like you just get stuck in the middle of "playoff bubble team" and maybe go on a little run at some point.

All of the movement clauses and shit really handcuffed them in terms of moving out players when needed and getting any kind of return

 

[bobbop]

I see a scenario where Buffalo may jump on Schneider now.

#20?

 

[McRanger92]

I honestly dunno what they're gonna do and how they'll do it. Like, I don't think they're interested in tearing it down, I think they want to figure out how to spin it back up around Fox and Igor at least while they're in their primes, but also do it as a mix of drafting for the future and acquiring both vets and young players if they can

but that kinda feels like you just get stuck in the middle of "playoff bubble team" and maybe go on a little run at some point.

All of the movement clauses and shit really handcuffed them in terms of moving out players when needed and getting any kind of return

Right like they should step back and build through the draft, but they also can’t because of trade protection. They also have 2 elite players in their primes. Just feels like building a half measure team like we had with Panarin and the boys.

 

[BBKers]

So far I feel nothing has transpired that is actually bad from #NYR perspective as these deals were mostly in the outer realm. Inside the galaxy core things are still brewing. Only a Sith Lord knows where it goes. But there can be many bigger things unfolding yet to see the dawn of light. Would think the Larkin deal is the bigger domino

 

[effen]

Right like they should step back and build through the draft, but they also can’t because of trade protection. They also have 2 elite players in their primes. Just feels like building a half measure team like we had with Panarin and the boys.

The inspired choice is to deal Laf and Schneider and force their hands if they wanna win for the duration of the deals.

Mika stays prob, everyone else bails imo.

Won't do it, no balls.

 

[smoneil]

Ever since Brady got traded to Florida, it's been Miller-to-Florida and the Cats having an American fetish. Miller's not going anywhere or I delete Tob's account

It's partly the Brady thing, but mostly (at least from my perspective) a feeling that we need to move ONE of the three veteran centers on the team, ideally bringing a younger center in, who can grow with the young nascent core. Trocheck makes the most sense (age, production, perceived value due to his cap hit). Zibanejad has made it VERY clear that he is staying. Florida's move makes it possible that Miller could be the move in the right situation. I want to move whichever of Trocheck/Miller will bring back the best return.

 

[mas0764]

Vince probably thinks he’s a genius when he hits send on a tweet like this. We can tell you know nothing.

So maybe the Rangers should sell since teams are parting with premium assets

 

[mas0764]

Right like they should step back and build through the draft, but they also can’t because of trade protection. They also have 2 elite players in their primes. Just feels like building a half measure team like we had with Panarin and the boys.

It actually feels way worse than that. When they imported Panarin, my main thought was “I hope our older core doesn’t age out before the young core catches up.”

Now we have almost nothing as either a young or old core.

There isn’t even anything to build around really which is what makes the idea of a quick retool so idiotic. Just sell what isn’t nailed down. I think they were in a better spot to compete quickly in 2017 when the first letter went out.

 

[nyrage]

Houston or Austin. One of the other. Houston is the chalk pick but Austin would be exciting with no real major league competition and boatloads of money.

Speak for yourself buddy. I much prefer a team here in Houston. I miss going to the Aeros games.

One thing is for sure, these are 2 of the most traffic congested cities in the country. I like Austin, but it feels like a hockey stadium would be a worse traffic situation in Austin since everything revolves around I-35, while Houston is more sprawled out.

 

[smoneil]

Lundell actually played 4 less games than Miller, and half of those extra points came from the PP. Their p/60 was very close. Lundell has 2 cups under his belt and has played very well in the playoffs. I'd say he has pretty good chemistry with the other players on that team. And he should only get better, while Miller, who will probably bounce back next year if fully healthy, is on the downward part of his career.

I just don't see any way to justify giving up 9 years of Lundell for Miller. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn't make that deal.

Re: production, again, this was in a down, injury-riddled year for Miller and what amounted to a career year for Lundell. Miller is a significant upgrade on offense and physical play. You say we wouldn't do it if the roles were reversed, but we did do it with the roles reversed (Marchant for MacTavish, Amonte for Matteau and Noonan, Turcotte and Patrick for Larmer and Kypreos). Teams in a competition window usually plan around maximizing that window. Aside from the Tkachuck brothers, all of Florida's key guys are 30+. It's possible the Tkachuck plan is to have them lead the next core, but they have no draft resources for the next several years, so it's unlikely there will be any next core beyond them and Lundell.

Again though--purely hypothetical due to Dolan never retaining multi-year and Florida having an outsized valuation of Lundell (IMO).

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

You ain’t winning a Cup with a guy like Robertson sorry no thanks

 

[mas0764]

I want him to get in on the action by selling not buying

 

[bobbop]

Speak for yourself buddy. I much prefer a team here in Houston. I miss going to the Aeros games.

One thing is for sure, these are 2 of the most traffic congested cities in the country. I like Austin, but it feels like a hockey stadium would be a worse traffic situation in Austin since everything revolves around I-35, while Houston is more sprawled out.

As a former Houstonian (and having done a lot of business in both cities) I sympathize with you. You are certainly right about the traffic in both cities. I think the tipping point in the conversation may be whether Austin can support a new arena that would compete with the Moody Center for non hockey attractions and revenue. There’s a lot of money in Austin that really doesn’t have a place to go.

 

[Riche16]

It actually feels way worse than that. When they imported Panarin, my main thought was “I hope our older core doesn’t age out before the young core catches up.”

Now we have almost nothing as either a young or old core.

There isn’t even anything to build around really which is what makes the idea of a quick retool so idiotic. Just sell what isn’t nailed down. I think they were in a better spot to compete quickly in 2017 when the first letter went out.

People, including Drury & Dolan just don't see what or where this "team" is. What an awful position we're currently in.

Between the team structure, the NMCs, the cap surging, therefore no UFAs or even RFAs of worth, the lack of anything decent in the farm & the toxic locker room, not to mention the really good teams getting better... or the on the rise teams bolstering their status...

EVERYTHING screams "rebuild!"

But... what are we gonna do?

Sign Alex Tuch to a massive contract & trade away what little we have as well in hopes to be destroyed in the 1st or 2nd rd

yay

 

[mas0764]

Sharks need a top defenseman and goalie desperately. Werenski or Helleybuck. Drury should be offering up Fox tbh.

Gavrikov

 

[mas0764]

Just need the Nucks to take the coaches son, the Hawks take the farm boy and we can get Reid.

Let’s hope

 

[IDvsEGO]

People, including Drury & Dolan just don't see what or where this "team" is. What an awful position we're currently in.

Between the team structure, the NMCs, the cap surging, therefore no UFAs or even RFAs of worth, the lack of anything decent in the farm & the toxic locker room, not to mention the really good teams getting better... or the on the rise teams bolstering their status...

EVERYTHING screams "rebuild!"

But... what are we gonna do?

Sign Alex Tuch to a massive contract & trade away what little we have as well in hopes to be destroyed in the 1st or 2nd rd

yay

You can’t move Fox, you can’t move shesty. You can move laf but you’re not winning a deal and he’s young.

Like even if you want to “rebuild” you don’t have the movable assets we did in 17 to do that.

the landscape was also much different. Fewer teams at the absolute bottom at that point.

 

[mike14]

would i be correct in saying that none of the 'insiders' saw today's trades coming?

 

[effen]

Let’s hope

You should look at the Trade Board. Like, now. Stop posting. It's worth it.

 

[smoneil]

You should look at the Trade Board. Like, now. Stop posting. It's worth it.

Don't encourage bad life choices, haha. The Laf thread on there is absurd.

 

[effen]

Don't encourage bad life choices, haha. The Laf thread on there is absurd.

He's responding to things that aren't the case because of trades. Magic happened today.

 

[noncents]

No one forces any gm to make a trade. You think gms are just adding to add? The strongest thing someone can do in a negotiation is say no or walk away, and if the other side still wants the item/asset they will offer more. No one forced Davidson to pay this other than the market And the fact this is what he had to pay to secure the player he wanted. Also someone else correctly stated earlier that Chicago doesn't need more lottery picks, they need impact nhlers. Almost every team wants impact nhlers. Pay to play...

fallacious. this isn't the chicago board options exchange here. what one guy pays for a premium asset is not what another guy pays. every deal is in a vacuum. some guys are good at minimizing asset expenditure, and some guys get taken to the woodshed.

 

[tlk]

 

[noncents]

So maybe the Rangers should sell since teams are parting with premium assets

not much to sell