Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[bleedblue94]

So no trade is bad then. Even when it’s NYR. “The cost is the cost. Market dictates it.”

No one forces any gm to make a trade. You think gms are just adding to add? The strongest thing someone can do in a negotiation is say no or walk away, and if the other side still wants the item/asset they will offer more. No one forced Davidson to pay this other than the market And the fact this is what he had to pay to secure the player he wanted. Also someone else correctly stated earlier that Chicago doesn't need more lottery picks, they need impact nhlers. Almost every team wants impact nhlers. Pay to play...

 

[bobbop]

is this relating to possible expansion? It was Houston and Atlanta

Houston or Austin. One of the other. Houston is the chalk pick but Austin would be exciting with no real major league competition and boatloads of money.

 

[IDvsEGO]

No one forces any gm to make a trade. You think gms are just adding to add? The strongest thing someone can do in a negotiation is say no or walk away, and if the other side still wants the item/asset they will offer more. No one forced Davidson to pay this other than the market And the fact this is what he had to pay to secure the player he wanted. Also someone else correctly stated earlier that Chicago doesn't need more lottery picks, they need impact nhlers. Almost every team wants impact nhlers. Pay to play...

Chicago doesn't need more Lottery picks... However the player at 4, will likely be better than Byram before the ELC runs out.
I'm not a purist the way alot of this board is always wanting to get younger. I do understand you need momentum, and veterans.

But you also don't move 4th overall for a deal that hurts you within the first 3 years.

 

[bobbop]

who does Buffalo want at #4?

If Buffalo ends up with Malhotra at #4, I’ll be physically sick

 

[bleedblue94]

Houston or Austin. One of the other. Houston is the chalk pick but Austin would be exciting with no real major league competition and boatloads of money.

Same ownership group in either location. NHL and ownership group essentially publicly putted Houston and Austin against each other to give each area a shot to generate the best package for a building and team. Now the cities can undermine each other while the ownership group plays them off each other for the best deal.

 

[bleedblue94]

Chicago doesn't need more Lottery picks... However the player at 4, will likely be better than Byram before the ELC runs out.
I'm not a purist the way alot of this board is always wanting to get younger. I do understand you need momentum, and veterans.

But you also don't move 4th overall for a deal that hurts you within the first 3 years.

They need d in the worst way. D are not typically anything resembling an impact player at the end of their elc. Most are still finding their way in the league. schaffer is a complete anomaly. And Chicago isn't waiting around another 3+ years to take steps.

 

[GAGLine]

Oh I don't think Dolan would retain 4x4 in a million years. I do think it would be a smart move though (as I doubt we'll be anywhere near the cap for the next few years). That said, Miller, in a bad year where he missed 14 or 15 games, still put up 10 more points than Lundell and plays a heavier game (on top of the Team USA chemistry). If Florida is going all in (and giving up every 1st round pick for the next decade would indicate that they are), I think Miller in Lundell's spot would increase their odds at more Cups in the next 4 years. The extra million would be gravy.

Again though--purely hypothetical. I think Florida over-values Lundell and agree that Dolan won't retain on a multi-year contract.

Lundell actually played 4 less games than Miller, and half of those extra points came from the PP. Their p/60 was very close. Lundell has 2 cups under his belt and has played very well in the playoffs. I'd say he has pretty good chemistry with the other players on that team. And he should only get better, while Miller, who will probably bounce back next year if fully healthy, is on the downward part of his career.

I just don't see any way to justify giving up 9 years of Lundell for Miller. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn't make that deal.

 

[McRanger92]

Why do I feel like Drury is gonna trade 5 for Robertson and keep Trocheck to try to win next year? Rangers trade for a 27 year old 100 point winger and the players and owners are quickly placated.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Drury finalizing the trade for a signed Tuch

 

[bhamill]

Would you have given up the fifth for the same deal?

Nope.

 

[mike14]

Why do I feel like Drury is gonna trade 5 for Robertson and keep Trocheck to try to win next year?

I can absolutely see him making an overpay for Robertson.
I can also see him trying to justify holding on to Tro, not for a cup run, but with "saturated market now, will be sought after at the next TDL" which would be very dumb

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[zlev]

trade schneider immediately

 

[McRanger92]

I can absolutely see him making an overpay for Robertson.
I can also see him trying to justify holding on to Tro, not for a cup run, but with "saturated market now, will be sought after at the next TDL" which would be very dumb

If they trade for Robertson they aren’t gonna be selling at next years deadline that’s for sure

 

[mike14]

If they trade for Robertson they aren’t gonna be selling at next years deadline that’s for sure

Robertson in Trocheck out would fit my definition of a 'retool'. only god knows with Drury though....

 

[Riche16]

I'm stricken by panic that Drury might do something or might not.

I'm paralyzed by the thought.

He could do either!!!!!!

 

[McRanger92]

I'm stricken by panic that Drury might do something or might not.

I'm paralyzed by the thought.

He could do either!!!!!!

Treacherous times we live in

 

[bhamill]

No one forces any gm to make a trade. You think gms are just adding to add? The strongest thing someone can do in a negotiation is say no or walk away, and if the other side still wants the item/asset they will offer more. No one forced Davidson to pay this other than the market And the fact this is what he had to pay to secure the player he wanted. Also someone else correctly stated earlier that Chicago doesn't need more lottery picks, they need impact nhlers. Almost every team wants impact nhlers. Pay to play...

But” the cost is the cost.” Obviously my point was I disagree with that statement.
I mean no one forced CHI’s GM to make that trade, including “the market.” You just said walking away is a strong option yourself. Could have said no, right? So why can’t we say it was a bad deal? Just because CHI may have REALLY wanted him doesn’t mean ANY cost is okay. And no I did NOT want that player.

 

[Levitate]

Why do I feel like Drury is gonna trade 5 for Robertson and keep Trocheck to try to win next year? Rangers trade for a 27 year old 100 point winger and the players and owners are quickly placated.

I doubt it, honestly

This is all a good indication of what happens when you're prospect, talent, and pick poor. Other teams are making moves because they can afford to send picks and players.

Other teams are probbaly asking for Laf or Perreault in any deals. Trochek is on the back burner at this point

now what they will do with Schneider is probably something f***ing dumb like keep him and sign him to a dumb deal because "he's a big young kid who is growing into his place in the NHL"

 

[Levitate]

just bullshitting but I could maybe see a Laf, 26th overall, and I dunno, maybe even Cuylle, for Robertson and a 3rd or later pick

Just making shit up, but I think that's what the Rangers would have to do to facilitate a trade like that and not kinda f*** up their team. Robertson is an improvement on Laf, but Laf could do fine in Dallas, Cuylle adds some middle six value and physicality, a 26th pick gives Dallas a little more prospect ammunition.

But I also feel like someone else could beat that and the Rangers might not want to do it in terms of needing quantity of assets

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why do I feel like Drury is gonna trade 5 for Robertson and keep Trocheck to try to win next year? Rangers trade for a 27 year old 100 point winger and the players and owners are quickly placated.

and then he proceeds to score 67 points next season

 

[bhamill]

Lundell actually played 4 less games than Miller, and half of those extra points came from the PP. Their p/60 was very close. Lundell has 2 cups under his belt and has played very well in the playoffs. I'd say he has pretty good chemistry with the other players on that team. And he should only get better, while Miller, who will probably bounce back next year if fully healthy, is on the downward part of his career.

I just don't see any way to justify giving up 9 years of Lundell for Miller. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn't make that deal.

Hahaha. I already said I wouldn’t make the deal if I was FLA, but looking at today, it wouldn’t shock me. And this is about the worst season, because of playing through injuries, that Miller has had in a decade. He could easily be better than PPG again or better next year.

 

[McRanger92]

I doubt it, honestly

This is all a good indication of what happens when you're prospect, talent, and pick poor. Other teams are making moves because they can afford to send picks and players.

Other teams are probbaly asking for Laf or Perreault in any deals. Trochek is on the back burner at this point

now what they will do with Schneider is probably something f***ing dumb like keep him and sign him to a dumb deal because "he's a big young kid who is growing into his place in the NHL"

I don’t even hate the idea of Robertson who has eye popping 5v5 numbers and is still very young. The Rangers have a lot of win now pieces, as much as they should stay patient. Drury has to pick a lane this week and it better not be an Alex Tuch sign and trade.

 

[McRanger92]

and then he proceeds to score 67 points next season

He’s not exactly being propped up in Dallas fwiw

 

[Levitate]

I don’t even hate the idea of Robertson who has eye popping 5v5 numbers and is still very young. The Rangers have a lot of win now pieces, as much as they should stay patient. Drury has to pick a lane this week and it better not be an Alex Tuch sign and trade.

I honestly don't really care if they sign Tuch

He's fine, the cap is going up up up (until the world economy crashes because of the Iran business), teams are kinda showing here that fretting over money numbers and cap hits isn't as much of a concern any longer as long as you're not extremely stupid about it. Tuch would probably just be kinda stupid

e: like I dunno what Tuch really gets in a contract but I'd kinda rather just pay him $8 mill than to sign 3-4 shitty bottom six guys for $2 mill each and watch them do jack shit and flame out of the lineup within the year