Curufinwe
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The cost of moving negative value contracts was not going to decrease as teams across the league used up more of their cap space.
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The cost of moving negative value contracts was not going to decrease as teams across the league used up more of their cap space.
Curufinwe
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That's interesting. Kessel does seem like the most likely to be traded with retention.
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Asnito
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We will never know. Like I said the AZ deal wasn't going anywhere a shrewd GM would hold out, as there was no rush, and try to get a better deal.
I suspect he shopped him around and AZ was the only one who would do a deal at that time. The others teams who might be interested had too much roster/cap uncertainty to commit to a deal.
Starat327
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Just for giggles - calling out that you can't trust the NHLs turnover tracking data is all well and dandy. We should all recognize that Stata can be flawed.
But the data being used is actually provided by InStat, a third party data collection service. So it's not even the NHL data, it's someone who is actually watching and tracking these things. I'm sure that InStat data is also very suspect, though.
"But mah dataz!"
But the data being used is actually provided by InStat, a third party data collection service. So it's not even the NHL data, it's someone who is actually watching and tracking these things. I'm sure that InStat data is also very suspect, though.
"But mah dataz!"
Asnito
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Starat327
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Hey man keep up the fight but I think it's a case of
Oh, I'm well aware. But just because someone's proving themselves to be an idiot doesn't mean you shouldn't call out the idiocy, in the general sense, of course.
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Curufinwe
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Cap dump deals don't improve as the league's available cap space decreases.
Tripod
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How do you know AZ wasn't going anywhere?
They tried to trade him a year ago
They waived him
They didn't protect him in the ED
Team had PLENTY of time to get Ghost for free if any of them wanted him. Time for people to realize that no one wanted him, including us, unless paid off to take him. Other teams tighter on cap could have made a move to unload another wanted player and replace him with Ghost for free. None chose to do so.
You are assuming AZ's price would never increase. We have no idea. After trying to move him for a year and using 3 different avenues to do so with no takers, they pulled the trigger when one finally said they would take him.
I personally thought he had trade value. I was wrong. Not sure why others can't accept it. No GM wanted a proven 40 pt Dman for free in Ghost....including us. That's reality.
Asnito
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You can keep saying that however you want. That deal was going nowhere. Why the rush to sell low. Again he had that deal available anytime he wanted it a smart GM would work the phones to try and improve the deal.
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The fact that Ghost was hard to move is because the Flyers did a bang up job of tanking his value. That had nothing to do with Ghosts on-ice play more often than not.
They scratched him on multiple occasions when they shouldn't have and they misused him for the better part of the last 3 seasons.
This is why i'm not comfortable with the bolded excuse for why they had to pay such a steep price to move him. That was a self-inflicted wound that was festering for years.
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AZ was at or below the cap. They needed to add salary. Detroit and Ottawa were also other possible destinations plus the teams that lost out on Hamilton and wanted an offensive D man.
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They could take on other bad contracts instead of taking on salary. Someone is going to have to play for them though
deadhead
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So opposing GMs and scouts don't watch games/film?
This is a silly argument, teams have plenty of film of Ghost last year, he played 41 games, averaged 15 minutes at 5x5 in different roles with different partners. They could see how he skated, handled the puck, dealt with the forecheck, etc., and they have four years of film of "healthy" Ghost to check against last year to see the extent he recovered from his knee surgeries.
He's not a 2nd year player where the sample is too small to trust.
Starat327
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Ghost: His most recent play is definitive of what he is. GMs know he isnt good and you can watch it and see.
Risto: He plays on a bad team, so we dont know if his most recent play is indicative of what he is. We have to wait and see how he plays.
You literally cant make this stuff up.
Risto: He plays on a bad team, so we dont know if his most recent play is indicative of what he is. We have to wait and see how he plays.
You literally cant make this stuff up.
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No. He didn’t have “that deal available anytime he wanted it.”
He ”worked the phones” for over a year to get a better deal, & even to lose him via waivers & the expansion draft for nothing. No takers.
So when AZ is willing to absorb the contract for a 2nd, you better do it before other cap-strapped teams take them up on it instead.
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We don't even really know why Ghost was seen as such a negative asset, outside of our own speculation, so it's really hard to say whether his value wouldn't have tanked even further with more time.
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GapToothedWonder
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Literally all he does is make shit like this up. How people don't have him on ignore us beyond me.
deadhead
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JVR is no surprise, I'd put an asterisk on Lindblom last season.
Wonder where TK ranks, I suspect toward the bottom, kid has speed and burst but no "shake and bake."
Starat327
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It's a good thing we went out and added two of these guys to get "better defensively".
Asnito
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I mean we gave up Ghost a 2nd and 7th for nothing. This is a player that had 9 goals last year with chaotic playing time and if he stays healthy this year will get his 40+ points. I can't see how his valued could have gone down any further.
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Tripod
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But reality is, any GM or any analytics dept could have seen this as a buy cheap opportunity(for free)....and decided he was not worth 2 years at 4.5 million. That's reality.
It's not like he is a little known prospect that clears waivers. Everyone knows who Ghost is...and what he is capable of. Hell, he just paced for 40 point this year....and no one wanted him for free.
I don't hate Ghost like certain others. I still think he can continue to be a 40+ point Dman. A 40+ point Dman that no one wanted at 4.5 x 2 years.
Tripod
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And none of this means that any of them were interested in Ghost....even WITH incentive to take him.
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