Roster Moves: Roster Thread Talk 2021: it never ends

[Ghosts Beer]

Worst case scenario is way worse than Myers. Myers was at least cheap. Risto is not, so he's not just an anchor but an impediment to adding better players to boot.

And Risto "only" becoming 2nd pair quality is still a massive leap for him. You're expecting an awful lot.

A player needs to do more than chase hits to be worthwhile.

I’d label 4 40-point seasons by age 26, & 12th among all defensemen in primary assists the last 3 seasons, as “worthwhile.”

People describe Risto like he’s a no-talent slug which simply isn’t accurate. We’ll see how his defensive game looks in a new environment, but I’m not writing off Risto’s chances to be an effective 2nd pair RHD before he plays a single game here.

And the D absolutely had to get more physical in defending around the net. It was an abomination last season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’d label 4 40-point seasons by age 26, & 12th among all defensemen in primary assists the last 3 seasons, as “worthwhile.”

People describe Risto like he’s a no-talent slug which simply isn’t accurate. We’ll see how his defensive game looks in a new environment, but I’m not writing off Risto’s chances to be an effective 2nd pair RHD before he plays a single game here.

And the D absolutely had to get more physical in defending around the net. It was an abomination last season.

Did you remember to account for the fact that his defense is so terrible that it more than cancels out offensive production?

He's everything you claim Sanheim and Ghost are in that regard. Oh, and there's more to defense than hitting.

Edit: oh, and the bulk of goals last season came from mid range and beyond. Exactly the areas Risto is weakest at.

 

[Rebels57]

Lots of just assumptions though. You guys act like you're in the boardroom, just assuming if you write a cheque every player wants to come here. Or every team is just open trading certain guys / and that said guy is 100% on board as well. We have literally no idea who he talked to, what the costs were, what the convos were. I do know Fletch was probably the busiest guy based on overall activity, and likely was on the phone with more teams/players than most would normally in an off-season. Savard was cheap as you mentioned and signed with his childhood team. Logic would normally dictate that he got less money to do so (which likely would have lead to a larger contract/term) elsewhere. My assumption was that they wanted someone much tougher on that backend, and the options for that to play in the top4 were probably minimal at best.

I will concede that it's possible he spoke with the agents for guys like Larsson and Savard to gauge interest and then pivoted towards Risto after.

However, he did say he's had his eye on Risto for 2 years.

Also, as I mentioned, options better than Risto did/do exist via trade as well.

 

[DancingPanther]

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[GapToothedWonder]

i mean he did surprisingly well there so cant blame them. He produced but obviously people produce when given the opportunity in shit situations.

Exactly, just like Risto did.

 

[Curufinwe]

I will concede that it's possible he spoke with the agents for guys like Larsson and Savard to gauge interest and then pivoted towards Risto after.

Larsson signed with Seattle before any other team could sign free agents.

 

[Tripod]

oh cool....a new topic being discussed.

Time to leave again.

 

[bobbythebrain]

oh cool....a new topic being discussed.

Time to leave again.

GDTs gonna be highly predictable

Risto is code for Hagg

The end game analytics reports are always so insightful

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Risto was in demand, no one wanted Ghost for free.

Risto may have been in demand. But that still doesn’t change the fact that Chuck over payed for him. I don’t care if 6 other teams were willing to give up a first for him. Risto is still a bad player and not worth a first let alone adding assets to that first. Chuck just pissed away draft picks. Right out of the Paul Holmgren playbook

 

[Rebels57]

Larsson signed with Seattle before any other team could sign free agents.

Yeah I know that. However, there were reports that Fletcher was "keeping close tabs" on the Larsson situation in Edmonton. That leads me to believe they were interested in signing him but the feeling must not have been mutual since he signed with Seattle during their early negotiation period.

 

[Rebels57]

Risto may have been in demand. But that still doesn’t change the fact that Chuck over payed for him. I don’t care if 6 other teams were willing to give up a first for him. Risto is still a bad player and not worth a first let alone adding assets to that first. Chuck just pissed away draft picks. Right out of the Paul Holmgren playbook

The worst part for me about the Risto trade might be that he couldn't even get them to retain salary. It's only 1 year of retention and Buffalo still isn't even at the cap floor as of today! Asking Buffalo to retain would have been well within Fletcher's right considering the price to acquire him and it would have been extremely helpful to a Flyers team that will now be forced to carry a 22 man roster all season.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

He's everything you claim Sanheim and Ghost are in that regard. Oh, and there's more to defense than hitting.

Never said or implied that hitting is all that matters defensively. In fact, when I say they needed an improvement in their physicality defending around the net, I'm not talking about hitting. I'm talking about winning positional battles and keeping guys from camping out at the crease.

Anyway, I'm giving Ristolainen a chance before declaring he's incapable of being an effective 2nd pairing RHD for the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I will concede that it's possible he spoke with the agents for guys like Larsson and Savard to gauge interest and then pivoted towards Risto after.

However, he did say he's had his eye on Risto for 2 years.

Also, as I mentioned, options better than Risto did/do exist via trade as well.

The fact that he has watched Risto for multiple seasons, seen him suck, and went ahead with a massive overpayment to make it happen is not that surprising when you remember this koala-brained creature once traded Burns for Setoguchi.

What an eye for talent.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Never said or implied that hitting is all that matters defensively. In fact, when I say they needed an improvement in their physicality defending around the net, I'm not talking about hitting. I'm talking about winning positional battles and keeping guys from camping out at the crease.

Anyway, I'm giving Ristolainen a chance before declaring he's incapable of being an effective 2nd pairing RHD for the Flyers.

He couldn't be a 2nd pairing dman for a worse team, so the omens are bad. Pretty much universally bad.

 

[Starat327]

I r no gud at the numberz so I don Reed anelitiks

 

[renberg]

I'm ok with making a trade and paying the price when you have a specific target. But this is Fletcher's team now. This was his make or break off-season. So we better have a good season.

I don’t know if this is Fletcher’s team or AV’s. Where I am with this is that I doubt that the Flyers will carry that many defensemen that have a $5M per yr contract. Maybe four? Ellis, Provorov, Ristolainen, Sanheim on an extension. Then there is York who will be quickly coming into that pay range. Someone is going to get moved out. I doubt that it will be York, a Fletcher draftee or Ristolainen who the GM paid a price in order to obtain. So Sanheim, who may be the better defenseman (I’m a fan) could be the odd man out. Under most circumstances I could live with that but I don’t trust Fletcher to not get bent over in a trade with Sanheim in it.

 

[deadhead]

The worst part for me about the Risto trade might be that he couldn't even get them to retain salary. It's only 1 year of retention and Buffalo still isn't even at the cap floor as of today! Asking Buffalo to retain would have been well within Fletcher's right considering the price to acquire him and it would have been extremely helpful to a Flyers team that will now be forced to carry a 22 man roster all season.

They took Hagg, I would think people around here would perceive that as "taking salary."

 

[deadhead]

I don’t know if this is Fletcher’s team or AV’s. Where I am with this is that I doubt that the Flyers will carry that many defensemen that have a $5M per yr contract. Maybe four? Ellis, Provorov, Ristolainen, Sanheim on an extension. Then there is York who will be quickly coming into that pay range. Someone is going to get moved out. I doubt that it will be York, a Fletcher draftee or Ristolainen who the GM paid a price in order to obtain. So Sanheim, who may be the better defenseman (I’m a fan) could be the odd man out. Under most circumstances I could live with that but I don’t trust Fletcher to not get bent over in a trade with Sanheim in it.

York will probably get a 2 year bridge at a reasonable price. Same with Zamula.
So they won't have to deal with that issue until 2024-25.

 

[sauce88]

They took Hagg, I would think people around here would perceive that as "taking salary."

For a first and a second for a pending UFA it would have been prudent to have Buffalo retain salary. To me including Hagg should have just been swapping players so that the net change on contract spots for both teams remained at zero.

 

[Flyerfan18]

I don’t know if this is Fletcher’s team or AV’s. Where I am with this is that I doubt that the Flyers will carry that many defensemen that have a $5M per yr contract. Maybe four? Ellis, Provorov, Ristolainen, Sanheim on an extension. Then there is York who will be quickly coming into that pay range. Someone is going to get moved out. I doubt that it will be York, a Fletcher draftee or Ristolainen who the GM paid a price in order to obtain. So Sanheim, who may be the better defenseman (I’m a fan) could be the odd man out. Under most circumstances I could live with that but I don’t trust Fletcher to not get bent over in a trade with Sanheim in it.

It’s a good thing to have this problem. York has a few years before his salary increases. Injuries happen. If we have to trade Sanheim or someone else because they have been passed it’s a good thing

 

[Starat327]

That would involve this organization accurately deciding who passed who.

Given they moved the teams best defenseman last year as a cap dump, we can objectively say they aren't capable of accurately deciding who passed whom.

 

[Rebels57]

I don’t know if this is Fletcher’s team or AV’s. Where I am with this is that I doubt that the Flyers will carry that many defensemen that have a $5M per yr contract. Maybe four? Ellis, Provorov, Ristolainen, Sanheim on an extension. Then there is York who will be quickly coming into that pay range. Someone is going to get moved out. I doubt that it will be York, a Fletcher draftee or Ristolainen who the GM paid a price in order to obtain. So Sanheim, who may be the better defenseman (I’m a fan) could be the odd man out. Under most circumstances I could live with that but I don’t trust Fletcher to not get bent over in a trade with Sanheim in it.

Are we really talking about York making $5 million before his 3 year ELC even kicks in? Lets maybe relax.

 

[Asnito]

That would involve this organization accurately deciding who passed who.

Given they moved the teams best defenseman last year as a cap dump, we can objectively say they aren't capable of accurately deciding who passed whom.

Management/coaching didn't like him calling them out and wanted him gone which is fine. The rush to dump him at any cost is completely unacceptable.

They should have held onto him until the dust started to settle on free agency because I'm sure there's a team out there who lost out on their target(s) that would have given up an asset for him.

 

[wasup]

That would involve this organization accurately deciding who passed who.

Given they moved the teams best defenseman last year as a cap dump, we can objectively say they aren't capable of accurately deciding who passed whom.

Oh Boy , Striker gave you some Kool Aid and you just chugged it down .

 

[mize370]

He couldn't be a 2nd pairing dman for a worse team, so the omens are bad. Pretty much universally bad.

Not to worry Beef. AV and his magic system will make him an all star just like it has for Hayes