Roster Moves: Roster Thread Talk 2021: it never ends

[Asnito]

Eh I don’t think it’s a drastic overpayment. I can’t imagine hart having a season like that ever again. If anything, what is it like a 500k overpayment? That doesn’t constitute going to the bad category for me cus I don’t think he is going to be that bad for the entirety of the contract.

Based off last season I think it's like $1.5 mil maybe 2. To put it perspective that's 1/3 to almost half of Ghost's contract.

 

[Asnito]

The way I view the Hart contract is that I think he will end up earning it but he still didn't deserve it after a historically bad season. That should have gotten us a discount of around $1 million per off of it what he got.

Sanheim was an overpay too based on the term. For the cap hit it should have been longer.

The issue I have is the overpay for Hart would have covered a long term deal for Sanheim. Even if Sanheim isn't in your long term plans he has value and trading him with 1 year left as opposed to 3-5 years left is a loss in value/assets.

 

[Flyerfan18]

The issue I have is the overpay for Hart would have covered a long term deal for Sanheim. Even if Sanheim isn't in your long term plans he has value and trading him with 1 year left as opposed to 3-5 years left is a loss in value/assets.

you are assuming Sanheim would have signed a longer contract. The minimal overpay Hart got wouldn’t have made any difference

 

[flyerslducks]

Based off last season I think it's like $1.5 mil maybe 2. To put it perspective that's 1/3 to almost half of Ghost's contract.

Who cares about ghosts contract lol. One bad year doesn’t mean he will remain that bad. 2 million overpayment is kinda unrealistic

 

[flyerslducks]

you are assuming Sanheim would have signed a longer contract. The minimal overpay Hart got wouldn’t have made any difference

Ya I don’t think the 1 million more of hart was the reason we didn’t resign sanheim to a longer deal. I think he wanted more than that, especiallly since d were getting a lot of money this summer.

 

[TCTC]

So let’s break down all these moves;

good:

-ellis
-farabee
-couts
-Atkinson? I think tHis move shouldn’t hurt us too much tbh but damn I’ll miss Jake

bad:
-risto
-Thompson

TBD:
-jones—-wait and see if he can be reliable for 25+games
-yandle (I’m leaning toward good cus I think he can help the pp out)

Where are we ranking the brassard move?

I haven't seen a lot of Brassard in recent years, but even last year on a bad Coyotes team he had 20 points in 53 games. I think he's a good signing for our bottom 6 depth and 2nd PP unit if needed.

 

[Asnito]

Who cares about ghosts contract lol. One bad year doesn’t mean he will remain that bad. 2 million overpayment is kinda unrealistic

Well we included a 2nd round pick with ghost to clear cap space. I mentioned ghost because Fletch wasted the cap space he cleared. Hart deserved a 1x$2 or 2x$2.5 contract. 3x$4 is a bad overpayment.

In the salary cap era where the margins are so thin you have to try to get value anywhere you can. Different sport but here's an article about winning on the margins.

This Coach Improved Every Tiny Thing by 1 Percent and Here’s What Happened

 

[flyerslducks]

I haven't seen a lot of Brassard in recent years, but even last year on a bad Coyotes team he had 20 points in 53 games. I think he's a good signing for our bottom 6 depth and 2nd PP unit if needed.

I would just like him to eventually be the 4c with frost taking over 3c

 

[flyerslducks]

Well we included a 2nd round pick with ghost to clear cap space. I mentioned ghost because Fletch wasted the cap space he cleared. Hart deserved a 1x$2 or 2x$2.5 contract. 3x$4 is a bad overpayment.

In the salary cap era where the margins are so thin you have to try to get value anywhere you can. Different sport but here's an article about winning on the margins.

This Coach Improved Every Tiny Thing by 1 Percent and Here’s What Happened

True. Wonder what he’s going to do with jvr next year. He’s more cap than ghost but he’s more productive (at least to gms). Hopefully he doesn’t have to pay someone to take him. I guess he could’ve signed sanheim to a long term with the ghost cap and gotten a cheaper rhd like savard or manson. He just moves so damn quick that he loses on other deals I think smh

 

[Asnito]

True. Wonder what he’s going to do with jvr next year. He’s more cap than ghost but he’s more productive (at least to gms). Hopefully he doesn’t have to pay someone to take him. I guess he could’ve signed sanheim to a long term with the ghost cap and gotten a cheaper rhd like savard or manson. He just moves so damn quick that he loses on other deals I think smh

It seems like there's only short term plans not a long term one. BTW give that article a read it's not just sports related but also goes into how the average joe can improve themselves.

 

[deadhead]

Well we included a 2nd round pick with ghost to clear cap space. I mentioned ghost because Fletch wasted the cap space he cleared. Hart deserved a 1x$2 or 2x$2.5 contract. 3x$4 is a bad overpayment.

In the salary cap era where the margins are so thin you have to try to get value anywhere you can. Different sport but here's an article about winning on the margins.

This Coach Improved Every Tiny Thing by 1 Percent and Here’s What Happened

"Deserve" has nothing to do with it, the market determines salaries. Look at what other young goalies got.
Same applies to Laughton, compare his deal with Cizikas or a half dozen other deals for top flight bottom six forwards.

Sanheim got a two year deal b/c the market is truncated, either you get 4x4 or 4x5 or so, or 7x8, that is, you're a second pair guy or considered (right or wrong) a 25 minute a night first pair guy. So he got the 2nd pair rate on a two year deal, giving him a chance to show he deserves the first pair rate on his next deal.

 

[wasup]

Most of you guys on here will get a kick out of this :
On the weekend I ran into an Ex NHLer turned coach /developer . We got talking Flyers and I asked him about their coaches { he had played for two of them } .
He said AV is too arrogant and thought he was above the players so a is poor communicator because of it but did know his shit .
Therrion , was a pos and the worst coach he had ever played for . I would go on about Therrion but there would be to many bleeps . Said he is the one that needs to go .
He thought Yeo was okay but did not know how much say he would have with what went on .

So most on here got things figured out pretty well as far as the coaching goes .

 

[FlyerNutter]

Most of you guys on here will get a kick out of this :
On the weekend I ran into an Ex NHLer turned coach /developer . We got talking Flyers and I asked him about their coaches { he had played for two of them } .
He said AV is too arrogant and thought he was above the players so a is poor communicator because of it but did know his shit .
Therrion , was a pos and the worst coach he had ever played for . I would go on about Therrion but there would be to many bleeps . Said he is the one that needs to go .
He thought Yeo was okay but did not know how much say he would have with what went on .

So most on here got things figured out pretty well as far as the coaching goes .

Therrien was the one specifically mentioned by O'Connor in the summer as having issues with players. Voracek was the player mentioned by name.

Briere has openly talked about his poor relationship with Therrien. An asshole coach can maybe get away with it if things are clicking, but if the PP is nothing but a disaster - which it has been, its likely the players lose confidence in the architect.

 

[eramosat]

While I was trying to assess G's potential worth, and likelihood that Flyer's retain him (either want to, or able to), went looking for trailing 3 year point totals. Some numbers for Flyers, from Quanthockey.com :

At forward:
Giroux - 29th overall with 181 points in 205 games
Couts - 35th 176 in 194
TK - 64th 144 in 198
JVR 82nd 131 in 188
Atkinson 85th 129 in 180
Hayes 89th 127 in 195

And at dee...some surprises for me:
Yandle - 9th 134 in 207
Ellis - 30th 97 in 166
Risto - 35th 94 in 196
Provy - 43rd 88 in 207
Sanheim 59th 75 in 206

AV, let Provy just be our PK and ES TOI leader, please.

 

[BiggE]

Therrien was the one specifically mentioned by O'Connor in the summer as having issues with players. Voracek was the player mentioned by name.

Briere has openly talked about his poor relationship with Therrien. An asshole coach can maybe get away with it if things are clicking, but if the PP is nothing but a disaster - which it has been, its likely the players lose confidence in the architect.

If Therrien didn’t make a good martini, he’d already be gone.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

How about on a team that has garbage speed with

Braun
Yandle
JVR
Hayes
Nate

That Frost actually can skate well. If you are putting a lineup together with the 5 aIl mentioned above you are dead team walking. Do we know if Frost is 2/3c? Of course not he hasn't been healthy. But I far rather see Frost and York in the lineup and hope they are ready then see Braun and Nate in the lineup and know we will be 4 steps behind.
We KNOW Brassard isn't a 3c. We know Nate is horse manure as a 4c. I far rather take the maybe than the sure fire pile of manure.

Braun stinks but is a good skater. He just has horrible hands.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

In all honesty, a potential mix of -

Farabee/Coots/Konecny
JVR/Hayes/Allison
Giroux/Frost/Atkinson
Brassard/Laughton/Lindblom
Thompson/NAK

Provorov/Ellis
Sanheim/Ristolainen
Yandle/Braun
Morin

Hart
Jones

could be pretty solid.

I still think there's one more move to clear out a roster spot / salary. Possibly NAK.

This is how I think it will be, not how I want it to be... Honestly I don't think Frost will be able to succeed at 3C until maybe 20 games in. He hasn't played in so long. And I hate Thompson he is just horrid. Provorov Ellis is going to be a big boost to this team. I can see Ristolainen Sanheim being very inconsistent.

Giroux/Coots/Atkinson
Farabee/Hayes/Allison
JVR/Laughton/Konecny
Brassard/Thompson/Lindblom
Frost/NAK

Provorov/Ellis
Sanheim/Ristolainen
Yandle/Braun
Morin

 

[BiggE]

They don’t have enough cap space for a 23 man roster. Thanks Chuck

 

[flyerslducks]

Don’t know how Allison will be in that top 6…I cant see that tbh

 

[deadhead]

More likely:

Giroux/Coots/TK
JVR/Hayes/Atkinson
Lindblom/Frost/Farabee
Brassard/Laughton/Allison
Thompson
NAK traded for a pick, maybe Bunnaman if they don't think he'll clear waivers
LHV: Foerster, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, J Cates, [Bunnaman], Rubtsov, Sandin, Sushko, Strome, Mayhew, Fitzgerald, Willman, [Wisdom in January?]

Provorov/Ellis
Sanheim/Ristolainen
Yandle/Braun
Morin
LHV: York, Zamula, Hogberg, Wylie, Millman, Clendening, Seeler, Zech

What's nice this year is LHV has legitimate NHL prospects as well as fill-ins available when the inevitable injuries strike.

Next year, JVR traded to make room (and cap room), Farabee moves up to 2LW, Allison to 3RW, Foerster or Wisdom to 4RW, Laczynski/Ratcliffe to 4C/4LW. York and Zamula replace Yandle and Braun. Risto resigned or his cap room used to sign a RHD FA.

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[Curufinwe]

Bunnaman had 3 points in 33 combined AHL/NHL games last season. You really think another team is going to trade for him? Better players than him go on waivers in training camp every season.

 

[FlyerNutter]

So maybe this a thing to train, that I’ve just never seen before

 

[Prongo]

So maybe this a thing to train, that I’ve just never seen before

They, I believe, are more so for resistance running. I saw high school football players at the time using them and that was now 15 years ago. First time I’ve seen them on ice though.

 

[PK16]

We use parachutes to train players. Don't know how common this is, but it is a tool that is used.