Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Zman5778]

If you were forced to do a blockbuster trade during the summer, who would be the target and who/what would you give up?

Saros. Literally the perfect mentor for Levi.....oh, and he's a Vezina-level goalie on top of it. Perfect contract for us as well.

2024 1st and Rosen? Maybe even something else.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Saros. Literally the perfect mentor for Levi.....oh, and he's a Vezina-level goalie on top of it. Perfect contract for us as well.

2024 1st and Rosen? Maybe even something else.

Might have to include UPL (which I am sure most here wouldn't care) but I feel like most trades with goalies involve another one going back.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If you were forced to do a blockbuster trade during the summer, who would be the target and who/what would you give up?

Saros, Fabbro, and Sissons.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Playing with lines for next year and would like something like this.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Peterka-Cozens-Quinn
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Kulich/Savoie
Wood-Jost-Greenway

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Fabbro/Mayfield
Soucy-Boosh
Stillman

Saros
Comrie

-As @Zman5778 mentioned Saros would be a great add to mentor Levi and has 2 years left on his contract.
Olofsson,Joki, UPL and B prospect/ late pick for Saros and Fabbro

-Soucy adds veteran depth to the bottom pair 4X3?
-If you can't add Fabbro in a deal with Nash I'd try to sign Mayfield. Big, solid, physical d-man that can kill penalties and think he'd be a nice pair with Power.
-Adding Wood would bring a lot of needed energy to our 4th line.. He's a type of player you'd want in the playoffs.

 

[Grouch]

If you were forced to do a blockbuster trade during the summer, who would be the target and who/what would you give up?

Not sure blockbuster, and I’m in minority.

Crouse and Vejmelka from AZ.

Id give up UPL or Comrie (either really), JJP, and a few other pieces as necessary. Try to dump Joker by adding good picks.

 

[The Blunder Years]

I’m still dreaming about Livingstone. Dude is almost guaranteed the chance to break into the league playing with Power or Dahlin, with plenty of room for a long term spot. A lot of teams cannot offer that opportunity.

 

[Chainshot]

I’m still dreaming about Livingstone. Dude is almost guaranteed the chance to break into the league playing with Power or Dahlin, with plenty of room for a long term spot. A lot of teams cannot offer that opportunity.

Livingstone would help close the gap on no RHD prospects. I'm also very interested in where Sam Malinski lands. He does a lot of physical labor for Cornell and defends the line well. He could be an interesting partner for Power as well.

 

[Irie]

Olofsson,Joki, UPL and B prospect/ late pick for Saros and Fabbro

Where do I sign?!?

I have a feeling Nashville would ask for better quality and less quantity, and Poile/Trotz would probably want at least one quality piece that would really hurt to give up, (not just all the pieces we're are all hoping to upgrade

 

[elchud]

Crouse and Vejmelka would be amazing. Would do 23 1st + Peterka + UPL, and would take the Kassian contract on as a dump

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Playing with lines for next year and would like something like this.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Peterka-Cozens-Quinn
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Kulich/Savoie
Wood-Jost-Greenway

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Fabbro/Mayfield
Soucy-Boosh
Stillman

Saros
Comrie

-As @Zman5778 mentioned Saros would be a great add to mentor Levi and has 2 years left on his contract.
Olofsson,Joki, UPL and B prospect/ late pick for Saros and Fabbro

-Soucy adds veteran depth to the bottom pair 4X3?
-If you can't add Fabbro in a deal with Nash I'd try to sign Mayfield. Big, solid, physical d-man that can kill penalties and think he'd be a nice pair with Power.
-Adding Wood would bring a lot of needed energy to our 4th line.. He's a type of player you'd want in the playoffs.

Replacing Girgensons with Wood on an already bad defensive team is...an awful idea.

I love the rest of it, but Nashville is going to get a heck of a lot more for Saros if they move him.

 

[elchud]

Quinn and Peterka had nothing else to learn in the AHL and were given middle 6 spots and that's fine for a team that isn't planning on making the playoffs. Why do that again next year with Savoie and Kulich, are we planning on missing the playoffs again, already?

 

[elchud]

No way in hell KA is going to trade for a 5 or 6 million dollar goalie.

 

[TehDoak]

I just can't comprehend why Saros would be available. He's the perfect bridge for them to Askarov. Why would they trade him now? Do they hate wins? They have plenty of cap space for next year.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

I’m still dreaming about Livingstone. Dude is almost guaranteed the chance to break into the league playing with Power or Dahlin, with plenty of room for a long term spot. A lot of teams cannot offer that opportunity.

I haven’t read anything that would lead me to believe he’s even on the front offices radar.

I hope I’m wrong.

 

[alehman42]

I just can't comprehend why Saros would be available. He's the perfect bridge for them to Askarov. Why would they trade him now? Do they hate wins? They have plenty of cap space for next year.

By all accounts he's not. When Nashville went into fire-sale mode before the trade deadline, reports were that everyone was available *except* Saros, Josi, and Forsberg.

The proposals you're seeing are opposing fans wishcasting after seeing the Predators enter a re-tool phase.

 

[Zman5778]

I just can't comprehend why Saros would be available. He's the perfect bridge for them to Askarov. Why would they trade him now? Do they hate wins? They have plenty of cap space for next year.

By all reports, he's not available. I was responding to a hypothetical question with a hypothetical of my own.

I would do dirty things to get Saros if he was available....but he's not. I think most rational people know this.

 

[Zman5778]

I haven’t read anything that would lead me to believe he’s even on the front offices radar.

I hope I’m wrong.

That we haven't heard anything regarding any college UDFAs actually gives me a tiny touch of hope -- Adams works in a vacuum. Even with all the stuff surrounding Chychrun.......the Greenway and Asplund and Stillman trades were pretty literally out of nowhere as regards local and national media.

 

[K8fool]

That we haven't heard anything regarding any college UDFAs actually gives me a tiny touch of hope -- Adams works in a vacuum. Even with all the stuff surrounding Chychrun.......the Greenway and Asplund and Stillman trades were pretty literally out of nowhere as regards local and national media.

he already made a good move as chychrun already injured for most of season.. hopefully any college bros are more like Thompson.

 

[Ace]

No way in hell KA is going to trade for a 5 or 6 million dollar goalie.

Day is gonna come where lack of goalie is going to cost him his job. Day should come next year…but it won’t. If next year doesn’t go well…and all of his eggs remain in Levi’s unproven basket, however…the day will come.

 

[Bendium]

Quinn and Peterka had nothing else to learn in the AHL and were given middle 6 spots and that's fine for a team that isn't planning on making the playoffs. Why do that again next year with Savoie and Kulich, are we planning on missing the playoffs again, already?

We are if we are bringing up more rookies for another development year.

 

[truthbluth]

Quinn and Peterka had nothing else to learn in the AHL and were given middle 6 spots and that's fine for a team that isn't planning on making the playoffs. Why do that again next year with Savoie and Kulich, are we planning on missing the playoffs again, already?

Just so I’m understanding, the team would have been better without Quinn and Peterka, AND, having Savoie and/or Kulich on the team next year assures us that the Sabres won’t make the playoffs? Like Seattle with Beniers? Or Dallas with Johnston? What is the thesis here? If Kulich or Savoie makes the team then Kevyn isn’t serious about winning? I don’t know, that’s a little post hoc ergo propter hoc for me. Kev definitely missed out on addressing D in the off-season, but to me, that was a misevaluation of Joker and Bryson. I have trouble blaming Quinn and Peterka if the Sabres don’t make the playoffs.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Just so I’m understanding, the team would have been better without Quinn and Peterka, AND, having Savoie and/or Kulich on the team next year assures us that the Sabres won’t make the playoffs? Like Seattle with Beniers? Or Dallas with Johnston? What is the thesis here? If Kulich or Savoie makes the team then Kevyn isn’t serious about winning? I don’t know, that’s a little post hoc ergo propter hoc for me. Kev definitely missed out on addressing D in the off-season, but to me, that was a misevaluation of Joker and Bryson. I have trouble blaming Quinn and Peterka if the Sabres don’t make the playoffs.

Some seem to think that rookies shouldn't be in the line-up until they are scoring at a point per game rate or at least that's the way their comments come off. These kids are going to have to learn to play in the NHL at some point, whether that's next season, 2 seasons, or whenever. Very few rookies ever make the type of impact some fans seem to want, and would rather see them have to rely on injuries to get a chance to make the team. When you have 1 young kid trying to make the roster that's probably fine, but Buffalo still has considerable prospect depth and if those kids are ready you can't hold them back because some 3rd or 4th line vet MIGHT help Buffalo win an extra game.

Dallas has several rookies and young players on their team this season in Johnston, Lundqvist, and Dellandrea. They should make the playoffs barring some epic collapse and the rookies have been given the opportunity to learn and develop while the teams been winning. Johnston had a very slow start to the season much like Quinn, but they stuck with him and as of late his game has really come on. Kids are gonna have rough patches, but if they give you the best chance to win when they figure it out then you have to bite the bullet and get them the experience they need.

 

[Bendium]

Some seem to think that rookies shouldn't be in the line-up until they are scoring at a point per game rate or at least that's the way their comments come off. These kids are going to have to learn to play in the NHL at some point, whether that's next season, 2 seasons, or whenever. Very few rookies ever make the type of impact some fans seem to want, and would rather see them have to rely on injuries to get a chance to make the team. When you have 1 young kid trying to make the roster that's probably fine, but Buffalo still has considerable prospect depth and if those kids are ready you can't hold them back because some 3rd or 4th line vet MIGHT help Buffalo win an extra game.

Dallas has several rookies and young players on their team this season in Johnston, Lundqvist, and Dellandrea. They should make the playoffs barring some epic collapse and the rookies have been given the opportunity to learn and develop while the teams been winning. Johnston had a very slow start to the season much like Quinn, but they stuck with him and as of late his game has really come on. Kids are gonna have rough patches, but if they give you the best chance to win when they figure it out then you have to bite the bullet and get them the experience they need.

This is not a good comparison, but does illustrate a better approach. Lundqvist is 22 and is in a 7th-8th defenseman role "getting his feet wet." Very appropriate development age and path. Dellandrea was 13th overall, spent 2 years in juniors, and 2 years in the AHL, and has grown to 6'1" 190 lbs at age 22 before taking a spot this year on the 3rd line RW with two capable vets. Johnston is your best comparable, and is akin to Cozens in that he was prolific in his junior year with 124 pts in 68 games, and has the SIZE to make the jump. Additionally, he is being supported by having two vet wingers in Jamie Benn and Evgenii Dadanov.

We threw a pair of 19 year olds together on a line with a 22 year old center (who could have used vet wingers himself) and threw them into second line minutes and responsibilities. Thats not even close to the kind of proper development support they should have gotten. Its not at all the same as what Dallas did, and absolutely contributed more to losing than winning. Especially when you already had other development unknowns in Krebs, Mitts, and even Cozens to an extent, that all could have used vet support on their lines to help them at points in their careers where they WERE ready for it. Just look at Krebs. He got caved until they finally gave him vet support in Girgs and Okposo. That gave him the stability to grow and be supported and helped his game grow. And Krebs is 22.

So yes, I do think having JJP and Quinn in the NHL this year was a net negative. It likely slowed not only their development, but also some players around them. It would have been better for both teams having them in the AHL helping the Amerks win, and with vets in their places on the NHL team helping them win and the already developing players like Krebs, Mitts, Cozens grow though better more consistent play, leadership, and winning.

 

[Jim Bob]

This is not a good comparison, but does illustrate a better approach. Lundqvist is 22 and is in a 7th-8th defenseman role "getting his feet wet." Very appropriate development age and path. Dellandrea was 13th overall, spent 2 years in juniors, and 2 years in the AHL, and has grown to 6'1" 190 lbs at age 22 before taking a spot this year on the 3rd line RW with two capable vets. Johnston is your best comparable, and is akin to Cozens in that he was prolific in his junior year with 124 pts in 68 games, and has the SIZE to make the jump. Additionally, he is being supported by having two vet wingers in Jamie Benn and Evgenii Dadanov.

We threw a pair of 19 year olds together on a line with a 22 year old center (who could have used vet wingers himself) and threw them into second line minutes and responsibilities. Thats not even close to the kind of proper development support they should have gotten. Its not at all the same as what Dallas did, and absolutely contributed more to losing than winning. Especially when you already had other development unknowns in Krebs, Mitts, and even Cozens to an extent, that all could have used vet support on their lines to help them at points in their careers where they WERE ready for it. Just look at Krebs. He got caved until they finally gave him vet support in Girgs and Okposo. That gave him the stability to grow and be supported and helped his game grow. And Krebs is 22.

So yes, I do think having JJP and Quinn in the NHL this year was a net negative. It likely slowed not only their development, but also some players around them. It would have been better for both teams having them in the AHL helping the Amerks win, and with vets in their places on the NHL team helping them win and the already developing players like Krebs, Mitts, Cozens grow though better more consistent play, leadership, and winning.

I disagree that being in the NHL this season slowed their development. They learned lessons this season that could only be learned in the NHL and that they would need to learn eventually.

So, it sure seemed to me like it was better to get them in the NHL this year and get the "on the job learning" going.

Quinn and Peterka were so good at the AHL level last year that there was not much left to learn at that level, IMO.

 

[Bendium]

If you go by the listed height and weight on their team's websites, Savoie is 6 lbs heavier and one inch shorter than Kulich this season.

If you look at the measurables, Savoie is not significantly smaller than Kulich, Rosen, or Kisakov. I think he would be just as "pro ready" next season as those three were this year. And most likely more so.

Well since none of Kulich, Rosen, or Kisakov are NHL ready, you make my point for me. Kulich is the closest, and he absolutely needs another year of AHL development. Rosen to me was a wasted pick. Unlike Savoie who has a stocky build, Rosen is both small in stature, AND in bone structure. He is slight in build, and the sooner we trade him the sooner we reallocate that pick into something more useful.