Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Chainshot]

which buffalo media guy is going to "remind" us about the 2018 WJC silver medal incident? it's coming...just a question of when.

That was Lias Andersson, not Dahlin.

If you want to fix holes you have to be willing to spend some of the blue chip assets. The question is, what are we willing to trade?

We know Savoie/Kulich are off limits. Cozens is locked up. Quinn is pretty well untouchable. Peterka is probably not going anywhere either. Krebs I really have no clue.

The most expendable of our top end pieces, from most to least:
1. Rosen
2. 2023 1st
3. 2024 1st
4. Ostlund

At least that's how I see it. In my head, if we are without Rosen and our 2023 1st by the end of the summer that's completely acceptable as long as we have holes fixed.

While almost all fan-based deals start with Rosen, he likely isn't the most desired commodity they have. That's going to be this year's first, once the draft positions have been solidified.

 

[Djp]

If we continue the rest of the season at our March pace we’ll go 2-8-2 the final twelve games and finish the season with 78 points.

Does anyone consider that a success or “expectations met”?

4-15-4 the final 2 months. If this pace holds.

Oh and a -52 goal differential over this span.

Is this what “development” looks like?

It’s common fir teams who fell short of playoffs and nose dive over the post deadline period. Go back and look at many teams and their drop over the last 25 or so games.

can this team bounce back next year— yes.

 

[Dubi Doo]

If we continue the rest of the season at our March pace we’ll go 2-8-2 the final twelve games and finish the season with 78 points.

Does anyone consider that a success or “expectations met”?

4-15-4 the final 2 months. If this pace holds.

Oh and a -52 goal differential over this span.

Is this what “development” looks like?

Oh man, if they can't even hit 80 points this season- I think even those who are generally pretty optimistic would consider that a big-time failure.

As I said, if the trend continues- they've pretty much erased all the good will from last season to the ASG. It's sad and pathetic, and has me ranting on these boards again.

Ah, how I miss the old times of just being numb to this team. If they look like shit next year- they won't get another dime of my money until changes are made and I'll be back to watching random periods of hockey every few weeks. I did it with Botts, and I'll do it again. Not that anyone cares, but it makes me feel better.

 

[Jim Bob]

NOBODY is off limits.

This is the mentality as a team and fanbase we need to get over. We are a team who has missed the playoffs for 12 years. Anyone and everyone is eligible to be traded if the trade improves the team.

Better to trade someone 1 year early than 1 year too late

It does not matter who the fans are willing to move.

It only matters who Adams is ready to move. And he had Savoie and Kulich as untouchables at this year's TDL. I doubt that changes over the summer.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

So the roster now without any Add or changes and if Okposo retires; dont want him back, Anderson retires, Hinostroza not back, bishop and hodgson contract gone, Pilut and subban let go

Skinner Thompson Tuch
Peterka Cozens Quinn
Mittlestadt Jost Olofsson
Girgensons Krebs Greenway

Dahlin Samuelsson
Power Jokiharju
Stillman Lyubuskhin
Bryson and we also have clague that i Think we should let go

Upl
Comrie
Levi


Upgrade on Jost and Olofsson spots and push Jokiharju Down a pair and upgrade there and possible a depth d better then clague . And a goalie instead of comrie .

So like atleast 1 goalie, 1-2 D and 1-2 forwards this summer

Who can we go after ?

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'd hang onto the 2023 1st at this point. The team has no high end defensive prospects in the system, and Reinbacher will be available. I'm not a pick-for-need advocate, but this would be a nice combination of need and BPA, since Reinbacher is ranked in the area the Sabres will be picking.

I'd use the 2024 1st and Rosen as trade chips.

 

[StrompTroller]

I'd hang onto the 2023 1st at this point. The team has no high end defensive prospects in the system, and Reinbacher will be available. I'm not a pick-for-need advocate, but this would be a nice combination of need and BPA, since Reinbacher is ranked in the area the Sabres will be picking.

I'd use the 2024 1st and Rosen as trade chips.

I wonder if a swap of Rosen for one of the Ducks defense prospects would be a possibility...

 

[Zman5778]

I'd hang onto the 2023 1st at this point. The team has no high end defensive prospects in the system, and Reinbacher will be available. I'm not a pick-for-need advocate, but this would be a nice combination of need and BPA, since Reinbacher is ranked in the area the Sabres will be picking.

I don't think Reinbacher gets to where we're currently slotted. I think he becomes a late riser and easily gets into that 5-10 range.

He's my ideal pick, but I just don't think he makes it to us.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

I don't think Reinbacher gets to where we're currently slotted. I think he becomes a late riser and easily gets into that 5-10 range.

He's my ideal pick, but I just don't think he makes it to us.

With 2023 being such a weak draft for top end D prospects I get the same feeling that we'll see a few drafted higher than their projections. I think if they miss on Reinbacher it's probably a better bet to use both 2nds on D since the drop off will be minimal in their projections at that point, unless Forton and co are super high on someone.

 

[HaNotsri]

Worst things is that we will start next season in a hole. The team falling apart yet again means we need another year zero.
One way to do that would be a complete roster cleanse and adding new leaders to the group.
We have a lot if talent but 0 guidance.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't think Reinbacher gets to where we're currently slotted. I think he becomes a late riser and easily gets into that 5-10 range.

He's my ideal pick, but I just don't think he makes it to us.

With 2023 being such a weak draft for top end D prospects I get the same feeling that we'll see a few drafted higher than their projections. I think if they miss on Reinbacher it's probably a better bet to use both 2nds on D since the drop off will be minimal in their projections at that point, unless Forton and co are super high on someone.

I think the Sabres will slot around 10 when all is complete.

I also don't think Reinbacher is going to rise that much. NHL teams tend to draft on value, not need. I don't see Reinbacher as a top 5-10 value. I think he's around 10-15.

 

[Chainshot]

Worst things is that we will start next season in a hole. The team falling apart yet again means we need another year zero.
One way to do that would be a complete roster cleanse and adding new leaders to the group.
We have a lot if talent but 0 guidance.

More that they need to swaddle Samuelsson in bubble wrap than any sort of reset.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Worst things is that we will start next season in a hole. The team falling apart yet again means we need another year zero.
One way to do that would be a complete roster cleanse and adding new leaders to the group.
We have a lot if talent but 0 guidance.

Young team not handling the pressure of competing for a playoff spot isn't the same as falling apart. It's not even close to roster cleanse time, or year 0, whichever way you want to put it.

 

[HaNotsri]

Young team not handling the pressure of competing for a playoff spot isn't the same as falling apart. It's not even close to roster cleanse time, or year 0, whichever way you want to put it.

I think it's reboot time. Bye to goaltenders, Okposo, Jokiharju, Olofsson and all the cannon fodder.
Our leading players need support and reduced ice time. We need to upgrade the top end of our roster and bump almost everyone down a notch.

 

[dortt]

It does not matter who the fans are willing to move.

It only matters who Adams is ready to move. And he had Savoie and Kulich as untouchables at this year's TDL. I doubt that changes over the summer.

then Adams needs to be fired.

Never take an asset off the table. Is Adams saying Savoie is more valuable than Bedard? He wouldn't trade Savoie for Bedard?

That's what he is saying if a player is untouchable

 

[Zman5778]

then Adams needs to be fired.

Never take an asset off the table. Is Adams saying Savoie is more valuable than Bedard? He wouldn't trade Savoie for Bedard?

That's what he is saying if a player is untouchable

Bedard was available at the TDL? Who knew?

 

[Chainshot]

I think it's reboot time. Bye to goaltenders, Okposo, Jokiharju, Olofsson and all the cannon fodder.
Our leading players need support and reduced ice time. We need to upgrade the top end of our roster and bump almost everyone down a notch.

What you describe is not really a reset. That's just trying to make the team deeper and better.

 

[debaser66]

If we continue the rest of the season at our March pace we’ll go 2-8-2 the final twelve games and finish the season with 78 points.

Does anyone consider that a success or “expectations met”?

4-15-4 the final 2 months. If this pace holds.

Oh and a -52 goal differential over this span.

Is this what “development” looks like?

I am sure they start winning as soon as they re eliminated from the race

 

[Jim Bob]

then Adams needs to be fired.

Never take an asset off the table. Is Adams saying Savoie is more valuable than Bedard? He wouldn't trade Savoie for Bedard?

That's what he is saying if a player is untouchable

It sounded like he was referring to players available at the trade deadline.

And I am guessing he was not offered Bedard or McDavid for Savoie or Kulich.

Adams likely shot down Arizona when they asked for Savoie and Kulich in the package for Chychrun and maybe other talks with other GMs. For instance, that may have been something that was involved if Adams ever called on Ekholm.

 

[Bendium]

Bedard was available at the TDL? Who knew?

Nope, but I would have had zero issue with Savoie being part of a trade for Ekholm. We have a dozen smallish skilled forwards on the team and in the pipeline. Savoie would help the Sabres more over the next 4-6 years as a trade asset than as a player. He is just an asset. He is currency.

 

[Jim Bob]

Nope, but I would have had zero issue with Savoie being part of a trade for Ekholm. We have a dozen smallish skilled forwards on the team and in the pipeline. Savoie would help the Sabres more over the next 4-6 years as a trade asset than as a player. He is just an asset. He is currency.

What if Savoie is far and away the best winger the Sabres have drafted in the last 6 years? Better than Quinn, Peterka, Kulich, all of them?

I would place a boatload of trade value on Savoie and pretty close to it on Kulich. And not just "1st round equivalent" as many would want to treat them.

 

[Dubi Doo]

The worst part of this collapse is the players in the league take notice. All that climbing they did to claw their way into relevance will likely be for nothing if this trend of losing continues.

What types of FAs are going to want to play here after this shitshow of an end? Will Buffalo be on any players list with a limited NMC?

If they battled hard and missed the playoffs by a couple of points, it at least would've change the line of thinking from 'heh, Buffalo is a dumpster fire' to 'Buffalo is a young and upcoming team on the brink of the playoffs'.

This collapse is only going to make the offseason more difficult.

 

[57special]

Jost does not have the size, physicality, or faceoff percentage we need. Same as Krebs. Is there hard play and energy there? Sure, but we need more than that. We have so many spots that are just filled with....a guy. So one of Krebs/Jost can be serviceable with the right wingers to compensate, but the alternative is to just get better players at those positions that bring the utility you want. If you can't get one as a UFA, then you must trade for one. Not all offseason acquisitions have to be UFA's.

Mitts/Greenway. Everyone keeps trying to put greenway on the fourth line. Part of why he wanted out of Minny was because he was very unhappy playing on the fourth line. He doesn't really play a 4th line kind of game. Our best hope there is that he embraces the third line winger roles being a physical puck battling power forward, holding position, getting off decent passes, scoring some, and being defensively responsible. Same as Mitts really, except Mitts has more speed and hand skill, while Greenway is bigger and better defensively. Chose wqhichever goes best with the other 3rd line options you have to go with them. If is is a center like Krebs/Jost, and a RW like Olofsson or JJP, then you will want greenways size more than what Mitts brings. Either way...there is one spot. Pick one.

Greenway never played on the 4th line in MN. He also didn't want leave ... more the other way around.

 

[sabremike]

This offseason one goal the organization should have if Adams is in any way competent is to find the One Dumb Team that will be dumb enough to not recognize Joker is a shittier version of Risto and be willing to give up a good asset for him.

 

[Ace]

Some teams go get Ekholm. Some teams go get Stillman.

Everyone wants to talk about the price of doing it but we should be talking about the cost of not.