Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Chainshot]

Wanted Teddy Blueger as he is very good on the PK.

Yeah. Though who comes out to put him in right?

At this point, the guys I would like to see working back into the PK were the same ones who gave them a bit of a PK bump in December: Quinn and Peterka. They have the wheels to pressure.

The other thing would be the idea of a swap on LD3 or RD2 who is a PKing titan. They too often have a Bryson/Clague/Fitz in the PK rotation who have been visually terrible at it.

 

[Jacob582]

If you really, really, REALLY want to weaponize cap space.....

You take Myers from Vancouver and buy him out. It's a huge hit for 1 year (5.33M next year, 333k the year after). You take Clague to Arbitration so you have a 2nd buyout window, you can do it AFTER his bonus is paid, so the real cash would be tiny (666k over two years)

Something like Myers+Demko+Garland for Comrie+Olofsson or something silly where Vancouver clears a boatload of cap and we get a some good return.

Arizona is probably willing to take Myers for less. And play him too. Chicago maybe.

 

[BuffaloSabresSword]

For a pure next year view of things….

skinner-thompson-Quinn
Peterka-Cozens-Tuck
Mitts-Krebs-Greenway
xxx-xxx-xxx
xxx xxx

Sam-Dahlin
power-xxx
xxx-Lyub
Stillman

Comrie
UPL


assume Johnson and Levi are signed, in rochester
assume Olofsson is traded
bryson, Joker could be back or get traded
expect—
Jost is brought back under QO $1.7M range. He’d be in that 13th F role
Girgs is resigned

then you have the prospects and Rochester players with Kulich, Savoie, Rosen, Biro, Rousek, Weissbach

I feel Savoie is kept in buffalo.

buffalo could do an 11-7 more frequently with Savoie/Jost and a Girgs as extra F where they might double shift Quinn/Peterka/Cozens. This is especial true if Johnson was good enough to make the team but limit hit time played to 10 min or so.

I can see a trade for a RD involving Bryson, Olofsdon, Joker, and/ or Mitts.

if they were going to trade for say Demko then UPL likeky goes back. Why I doubt that would be the target….Vancouver woukd be looking or more prosoect D depth in return. Other than Johnson, buffalo diesnt have it

possible would be a framework of
Olofsson for a RD
Bryson and Joker for Demko
Mitts could be moved in a deal above too

you could have Mitts+ Joker for Demko+Garland or to Calgary around Anderson+ F….both VAN/CGY create needed space Eherr buffalo retains on players they ship out.

Skinner Thompson Quinn
Peterka Cozens Tuch
Mittlestadt Krebs Olofsson
Greenway center Girgensons

Samuelsson Dahlin
Power D
Jokiharju Lyubuskhin
Stillman, Bryson
Goalie
UPL
Comrie

 

[Bendium]

For all you preaching no trades...... you do realize our whole top line came in via trade right?

 

[Irie]

For all you preaching no trades...... you do realize our whole top line came in via trade right?

There is a difference here.

Tuch and Thompson were brought in as young guys they hoped could be core players as they moved out their two topline centers in rebuilding moves.

You can't equate that type of move with trading 1sts and first-round-talent level of prospects to bring in guys that are UFA in a year or two during a rebuild as comparable moves.

Moving vets or picks for young talent that is guaranteed to be under team control for several years is completely different. I think posters aren't preaching no trades, they are preaching no short-sighted trades. Suggesting they are the same thing is somewhat disingenuous.

 

[Bendium]

There is a difference here.

Tuch and Thompson were brought in as young guys they hoped could be core players as they moved out their two topline centers in rebuilding moves.

You can't equate that type of move with trading 1sts and first-round-talent level of prospects to bring in guys that are UFA in a year or two during a rebuild as comparable moves.

Moving vets or picks for young talent that is guaranteed to be under team control for several years is completely different. I think posters aren't preaching no trades, they are preaching no short-sighted trades. Suggesting they are the same thing is somewhat disingenuous.

Boy you guys on this rental train are getting old. No one was asking for that.

Yes, you can trade for guys with term and team control to fill big holes in your lineup. It actually can be done, and is done every year, during every trade period.

My point is that the best forwards we had all came via trade. Its actually true. Yes you do have to give up something....they are not free, but they are available at times, and are one of the best way to get top players that other teams have to move on from.

 

[Irie]

Boy you guys on this rental train are getting old. No one was asking for that.

Yes, you can trade for guys with term and team control to fill big holes in your lineup. It actually can be done, and is done every year, during every trade period.

My point is that the best forwards we had all came via trade. Its actually true. Yes you do have to give up something....they are not free, but they are available at times, and are one of the best way to get top players that other teams have to move on from.

You are posting 20+ posts saying the same thing daily about how Adams is blowing it with his plan, and any take giving you pushback is the take that is "getting old"?

You are still spinning this into something it is not. I was Pro Meier acquisition *IF* he came with a guaranteed extension, and his cost to acquire and re-sign were reasonable. None of those criteria would have been met, so i agree with Adams that it was not a smart move given where the team is currently.

If you view this team as having an open contending window next year, then you and I disagree. This team IS going to be good, if they stay the course as Dahlin, Power, Sameulsson, Peterka, Cozens and Quinn all approach their primes, and their other promising prospects enter the league. Tuch and Thompson are going to be around for a lot of years and still be very good, the urgency of needing to go for it now is misplaced.

Show me an example of any poster saying don't trade anything for youngish players with more than 2 seasons till they are UFA. Truth is, no one is saying no trades. Posters are only balking at some of the inflated costs.

 

[GellMann]

Very excited for those unblocked future opportunities opened up by the circumstances which allowed us to watch both Clague and Bryson tonight

 

[HOOats]

Greenway is a perfect piece to mix into this group and his acquisition makes me optimistic about the FO's vision. He has the mobility to play up and down the top 9 with 72, 24, or 19. I thought his hands were good in the passing game. The heavy game comes easy to him even though he doesn't seem in rhythm with it currently.

I think the rising tide of his peers under Granato will boost his level and he'll latch onto our core's trajectory. Looked cool with the red undersleeves and inner gloves. Plus the nickname Big Rig with the way that bucket sits up on his head...*chef's kiss*.

 

[Djp]

For all you preaching no trades...... you do realize our whole top line came in via trade right?

not all trades are the same. You are equating apples and oranges.

im not moving the 1st round grade prospects just to acquire short term players.

if I’m moving them it’s for players on longer term/ control who is in the same age range of 21-25 age range.

another issue people on here are ignoring is the cap space in summers 25 and 26.

 

[Chainshot]

The Greenway addition has me hoping that they do something similar this summer with the blueline.

 

[Matt Ress]

Very excited for those unblocked future opportunities opened up by the circumstances which allowed us to watch both Clague and Bryson tonight

Something we all agreed upon was adding to the d corps. Maybe the right deal/fit didn't come through and hopefully we see it in the off season.

I really wouldn't rule out the idea that KA wants to leave a spot for Johnson but being in the playoff mix may be more enticing. For now, Stillman looks to be a net positive.

 

[TehDoak]

The Greenway addition has me hoping that they do something similar this summer with the blueline.

Well I was going to make a joke that I hope our choices aren't limited to the 2015-16 USNTDP Team, but I then looked at the roster and they had Adam Fox and Quinn Hughes, so uhhh, carry on guys. And Jake Oettinger in net. Let's make it happen.

 

[Bendium]

not all trades are the same. You are equating apples and oranges.

im not moving the 1st round grade prospects just to acquire short term players.

if I’m moving them it’s for players on longer term/ control who is in the same age range of 21-25 age range.

another issue people on here are ignoring is the cap space in summers 25 and 26.

Noone is asking for this so why is it the default excuse for every person against making trades?

 

[Jim Bob]

Well I was going to make a joke that I hope our choices aren't limited to the 2015-16 USNTDP Team, but I then looked at the roster and they had Adam Fox and Quinn Hughes, so uhhh, carry on guys. And Jake Oettinger in net. Let's make it happen.

Going through the rosters of teams from Granato's Elite Prospects staff profile has plenty of interesting names:

USNTDP Juniors 2011-2012 - Roster, Stats & more

USNTDP Juniors - USHL - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Matt Grzelcyk, Seth Jones, Brady Skjei, and Jacob Trouba.

USA U18 2012-2013 - Roster, Stats & more

USA U18 - WJC-18 - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Thatcher Demko

USNTDP Juniors 2013-2014 - Roster, Stats & more

USNTDP Juniors - USHL - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Casey Fitzgerald, Noah Hanifin, Charlie McAvoy, and Zach Werenski.

That team also had Tuch & Greenway on it.

USA 2013-2014 - Roster, Stats & more

USA - WC - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Jake Gardiner, Connor Murphy, and Jeff Petry

USA U18 2014-2015 - Roster, Stats & more

USA U18 - WJC-18 - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Clayton Keller

USA U20 2014-2015 - Roster, Stats & more

USA U20 - WJC-20 - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Nick Schmaltz, Brandon Carlo and Alex Nedeljkovic

USNTDP Juniors 2015-2016 - Roster, Stats & more

USNTDP Juniors - USHL - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Ryan Lindgren and Trent Frederic

Chicago Blackhawks 2018-2019 - Roster, Stats & more

Chicago Blackhawks - NHL - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com

www.eliteprospects.com

Jan Rutta and Jonathan Toews

 

[TehDoak]

So I played around a bit this summer.

I made one large trade, two small trades (clearing out excess depth guys), and a few UFA signings.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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Essentially:

Krebs+ pick for Jenner

Joker for a 2nd
Olofsson for a 3rd

Sign Severson to a 6x6 deal
Sign Blueger to a 3 year, 2M per deal
Sign Leivo to a 2 year, 1.5 per deal
Keep Jost on a 1 year, 1M per deal
Sign Girgensons to a 3 year, 1.5M per deal
Sign Raanta to a 3 year, 4M per deal

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Greenway-Cozens-Quinn
Mittelstadt-Jenner-Peterka
Girgensons-Blueger-Leivo
Jost

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Severson
Bryson-Lybushkin

Raanta
UPL

And it's WELL under the cap at 73M

 

[MillerTime]

So I played around a bit this summer.

I made one large trade, two small trades (clearing out excess depth guys), and a few UFA signings.

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Essentially:

Krebs+ pick for Jenner

Joker for a 2nd
Olofsson for a 3rd

Sign Severson to a 6x6 deal
Sign Blueger to a 3 year, 2M per deal
Sign Leivo to a 2 year, 1.5 per deal
Keep Jost on a 1 year, 1M per deal
Sign Girgensons to a 3 year, 1.5M per deal
Sign Raanta to a 3 year, 4M per deal

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Greenway-Cozens-Quinn
Mittelstadt-Jenner-Peterka
Girgensons-Blueger-Leivo
Jost

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Severson
Bryson-Lybushkin

Raanta
UPL

And it's WELL under the cap at 73M

Bryson can't be in this lineup next year.

 

[Chainshot]

...Matt Grzelcyk...

He's about to be the odd-man out of the Bruins' playoff rotation. I know the PDOCast guys used him as their poster boy when talking about small guys who fare poorly in the post-season but they also point out how bad his luck has been.

 

[Chainshot]

So I played around a bit this summer.

I made one large trade, two small trades (clearing out excess depth guys), and a few UFA signings.

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Essentially:

Krebs+ pick for Jenner

Joker for a 2nd
Olofsson for a 3rd

Sign Severson to a 6x6 deal
Sign Blueger to a 3 year, 2M per deal
Sign Leivo to a 2 year, 1.5 per deal
Keep Jost on a 1 year, 1M per deal
Sign Girgensons to a 3 year, 1.5M per deal
Sign Raanta to a 3 year, 4M per deal

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Greenway-Cozens-Quinn
Mittelstadt-Jenner-Peterka
Girgensons-Blueger-Leivo
Jost

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Severson
Bryson-Lybushkin

Raanta
UPL

And it's WELL under the cap at 73M

They aren't trading Krebs and bringing in Jenner.

 

[TehDoak]

They aren't trading Krebs and bringing in Jenner.

Don't bring common sense and logic to my off season projection made in March.

 

[debaser66]

I mean…the time stamps on those tweets should be enough to tell you that an opinion (btw…a soft one to give benefit of the doubt to coaching) was given before information was known.

Seems like a hell of a thing to call someone out on.

Like…you look worse here than him.

seems like he has the inside track on the outside

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

The Greenway addition has me hoping that they do something similar this summer with the blueline.

You mean Riley Stillman

 

[Chainshot]

You mean Riley Stillman

I think Stillman is more a replacement for what they feel they lost when Fitz was claimed on waivers. I suspect they know they need another defenseman.

 

[BUCKSHOT]

I think Stillman is more a replacement for what they feel they lost when Fitz was claimed on waivers. I suspect they know they need another defenseman.

yes, considering they were in on Chychrun

 

[Jacob582]

Granato seemed to indicate that he won't be doing a rotation of forwards this time of year. It will be interesting to see who comes out.