Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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This a hypothetical, I'm not implying the Sabres should do this. What would going "all in" look like this summer?

This roster could be achieved through UFA. No trades other than to jettison Olofsson off the roster.

Skinner Tage Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Tatar Krebs Peterka
Greenway Haula Hathaway

Orlov Dahlin
Graves Power
Samuelsson Joki
Stillman/Boosh

Jarry
UPL
Comrie
 
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Niether trade for Meier or Chychrun would have been done as rentals. Its disingenuous to state them as such. Niether trade would have been made without some assurances they would be resigning. If not then you don't make the move.

Stating then as potential UFAs in 1 and 2 years is not disingenuous. It is reality.

All reports indicate that Meier would not re-sign at the time of a trade, and has a 10M QO that walks him to a UFA in a year.

Chychrun can't re-sign for 16 months.

There were no guarantees available for either payer and likely why Adams moved on.

You stated, "without some assurances they would be resigning.... you don't make the move."

Pretending that there may have been those guarantees and beating the "shoulda traded for" drum and implying a guarantee was actually possible is out of touch with what really transpired.
 
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This a hypothetical, I'm not implying the Sabres should do this. What would going "all in" look like this summer?

This roster could be achieved through UFA. No trades other than to jettison Olofsson off the roster.

Skinner Tage Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Tatar Krebs Peterka
Greenway Haula Hathaway

Orlov Dahlin
Graves Power
Samuelsson Joki
Stillman/Boosh

Jarry
UPL
Comrie
Term on Orlov at 32 is too risky imo, even with his "post-trade production bump", but Graves is an interesting target. Big, mobile and good on the PK. (would like to see any D additions able to limit Dahlin's PK time to keep him fresh).

But the question would be, who plays their off side between Power and Graves?

Has Granato tried Sameulsson/Power? Sammy was pretty fantastic playing the right side with Bryson when he first came up, and he alternates so well with Dahlin, I don't think hand matters to him at all. Could be some stability for Power and his positioning mistakes as he is learning.

Jokiharju-Graves might work. Joker was a puck moving offensive juggernaut in Juniors (12 goals and 71 points in 63 games) and started that way in Chicago until Krueger got a hold of him and instilled the fear of god to "get the puck out of the zone at any cost mentality" and to "never carry the puck across the redline". He's been completely neutered, but he is finally starting to jump into shooting lanes this past month for the first time since pre-Krueger. Playing with Power, who is a Makar-like rover, I don't think he is going to refind his Offense, since he is always back and struggles with decisions when outnumbered (which happens a lot). He's still only 23, and playing with Graves on the third pairing might unlock another dimension of his game.
 

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I won't be shocked if Savoie pushes Quinn and/or Peterka down the lineup eventually.
My money's on Quinn being the best of the 3, but Im a fanboy since watching him tear up the AHL at such a young age.
 

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My money's on Quinn being the best of the 3, but Im a fanboy since watching him tear up the AHL at such a young age.
I would bet on Quinn merely because he has a pro resume to project from. But, Savoie gives me Briere vibes and I would not trade him at this point unless it’s in a deal for a really untouchable player that fills a huge need.
 
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Let's go all UFA, we can afford it. Bjugstad/Graves/Hathaway/Hill/Mayfield/Mikkola. Let's not pretend Bryson and Olofsson have trade value, trade them to Chicago for futures and hope to not retain salary for that.

Skinner TT Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Peterka Bjugstad Greenway
Girgensons Krebs Hathaway
Jost/Okposo

Sammy Dahlin
Power Mayfield
Graves Joker
Mikkola/Lyubushkin

Hill
UPL
Comrie

If we have a pick in the 11-15 range, 2023 1st + Mitts for Crouse. But I think Arizona says no to that.

I think Ryan Johnson simply spends a whole year in Rochester, and then the decision is made whether you cut bait with Joker and bring him up, or he becomes a tradeable asset instead.
 
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Let's go all UFA, we can afford it. Bjugstad/Graves/Hathaway/Hill/Mayfield/Mikkola. Let's not pretend Bryson and Olofsson have trade value, trade them to Chicago for futures and hope to not retain salary for that.

Skinner TT Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Peterka Bjugstad Greenway
Girgensons Krebs Hathaway
Jost/Okposo

Sammy Dahlin
Power Mayfield
Graves Joker
Mikkola

Hill
UPL

If we have a pick in the 11-15 range, 2023 1st + Mitts for Crouse. But I think Arizona says no to that.

This is far from how you fix this team; a myriad of overpaid contracts and mercenaries will only sink us.

Olofsson definitely still has value due to his scoring prowess.

Crouse is far from worth a 1st and Mitts to effectively get Mitt's production.
 

elchud

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This is far from how you fix this team; a myriad of overpaid contracts and mercenaries will only sink us.

Olofsson definitely still has value due to his scoring prowess.

Crouse is far from worth a 1st and Mitts to effectively get Mitt's production.

Crouse is signed for 4 more seasons (at only $4.3) and is better than Jeannot. I think Arizona considers him untradeable. His trade value is immense. Crouse/Cozens/Quinn would be an elite 2nd line (might take them another full season to get to that elite level) and Crouse is a 60+point player with those two. But with Crouse it's way more than just points.

Olofsson has some value at half-retention, not at $4.75 million.

Bjugstad/Graves/Hathaway/Hill/Mayfield/Mikkola. I could see a bidding war for Graves. 5x5 would be ideal, 6x6 more likely. Would settle for someone like Soucy as 3LHD, and admittedly that's a more likely COA.

But to get a 3rd pair stud locked up really protects us, just to stabilize the entire defense, and as insurance if Dahlin/Power are injured. Graves massively impacts our PK as well. Strong case can be made that Graves at 6x6 is a smart signing, and he would only be 33 at the end of the 6th season.

For everyone else above, we simply wouldn't overpay for any of them, how about that? 2 or 3 year deals for all the others listed. Mikkola wouldn't cost much, and the other four should be in the 2 to 3 million a year range. Bidding war for Mayfield? Maybe? 3x3 is ideal, is anybody going to offer Mayfield 4 million a year? You say no to that of course. Would be OK with Clifton instead of Mayfield. Or maybe you do have to make a trade for a 2RHD type.

And what's the alternative, roll out the same crew again? Signing UFAs mean you don't trade any of the precious kids, and you don't rush Kulich/Savoie to the NHL. You move on from Olofsson and Bryson who are sub-replacement players, Hill is a bettter goalie than Comrie and won't break the bank, he would be the #1 who would play for his next contract, on a 2-year deal. The defense *needs* to be fixed. Bjugstad and Hathaway are needs, a legit bottom-6 center with size who can with faceoffs and has a solid all-around game, and a wing who can play dirty and be an energy guy. I'm not seeing that those two will get offers that will be outrageous. This is the last offseason where there is still a serious cap crunch in the league. This is the offseason to make some smart UFA signings.

Hesitancy to sign Graves to a long-term deal at high salary...I get that, But he is worth 5 to 6 million a year.
 
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Let's go all UFA, we can afford it. Bjugstad/Graves/Hathaway/Hill/Mayfield/Mikkola. Let's not pretend Bryson and Olofsson have trade value, trade them to Chicago for futures and hope to not retain salary for that.

Skinner TT Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Peterka Bjugstad Greenway
Girgensons Krebs Hathaway
Jost/Okposo

Sammy Dahlin
Power Mayfield
Graves Joker
Mikkola/Lyubushkin

Hill
UPL
Comrie

If we have a pick in the 11-15 range, 2023 1st + Mitts for Crouse. But I think Arizona says no to that.

I think Ryan Johnson simply spends a whole year in Rochester, and then the decision is made whether you cut bait with Joker and bring him up, or he becomes a tradeable asset instead.
Adams is not giving away VO, Bryson, and Stillman for nothing and going all in on UFAs.

Fans that are largely focused on their teams tend to have an overly binary view of players and do not have proper context with how players slot league-wide.

I want VO gone as much as anyone. I also know that a winger coming off of a 25 goal season has some trade value.

I would love to see if the Sabres could do a deal centered around VO for one of the extra D that Seattle has like Borgen.
 

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Adams is not giving away VO, Bryson, and Stillman for nothing and going all in on UFAs.

Fans that are largely focused on their teams tend to have an overly binary view of players and do not have proper context with how players slot league-wide.

I want VO gone as much as anyone. I also know that a winger coming off of a 25 goal season has some trade value.

I would love to see if the Sabres could do a deal centered around VO for one of the extra D that Seattle has like Borgen.

I think VO for a D prospect + mid round pick makes some sense, given our lack of any real depth in that area.

Borgen doesn't really move the needle for me much. He's a bottom pair d-man....we've got those. Lots of those. He's an upgrade over Lybushkin, but I'm not sure by how much.

I think for D, going UFA shopping might be the best bet. Dumba, Severson, etc. Probably want to identify a target, get their rights before hand, and probably slightly overpay rather than risk open market. You are spending cap space, which you have oodles of, rather than draft assets.
 

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Focus on finding one distinct upgrade to the top 4 defense via trade and one additional body of NHL caliber defenseman for depth in the 6/7 role. They aren't going to churn two or three UFA signings on the blueline who are NHL level players.

Isn't Lybushkin/Stillman/Bryson/Clague already the 6/7 role. Bottom pair is something we have a lot of on D.
 

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This a hypothetical, I'm not implying the Sabres should do this. What would going "all in" look like this summer?

This roster could be achieved through UFA. No trades other than to jettison Olofsson off the roster.

Skinner Tage Tuch
Mitts Cozens Quinn
Tatar Krebs Peterka
Greenway Haula Hathaway

Orlov Dahlin
Graves Power
Samuelsson Joki
Stillman/Boosh

Jarry
UPL
Comrie
It’s hard to say. Obviously it would hinge on how each poster values each of the current Sabres that might get replaced and how they view the guys replacing them. I imagine opinions would be all over the place.

As an example, I view the roster you have above is changing the mix as opposed to going all in.
 

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Isn't Lybushkin/Stillman/Bryson/Clague already the 6/7 role. Bottom pair is something we have a lot of on D.

Better than what they have. Lybushkin as the 5 when healthy is okay. The rotation of guys they have at 6/7 is what is decidedly in question - we have a body of work for both Bryson and Clague that looks like they are overmatched up the lineup without being babysat by either Dahlin or Power. There needs to be no attachment to bringing either one back. As for Stillman, we haven't seen what he can do and having watched him in Vancouver, I have my doubts that there is going to be much there. That to me means finding a better 6 who will push Stillman into the 7 and push Bryson and Clague into the airlock.
 

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I think VO for a D prospect + mid round pick makes some sense, given our lack of any real depth in that area.

Borgen doesn't really move the needle for me much. He's a bottom pair d-man....we've got those. Lots of those. He's an upgrade over Lybushkin, but I'm not sure by how much.

I think for D, going UFA shopping might be the best bet. Dumba, Severson, etc. Probably want to identify a target, get their rights before hand, and probably slightly overpay rather than risk open market. You are spending cap space, which you have oodles of, rather than draft assets.
I do not have a ton of interest in Dumba at this point unless he takes a one year deal to try and rehab his value around the league. He was bad last year and even worse this year.

Severson is interesting. But, I think some team is going to vastly overpay him.

I think the trade route is a much better path to go down than UFA.

Calgary is a team that has a less than great cap situation this summer and they have some intriguing RHD that might be available.
 

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I do not have a ton of interest in Dumba at this point unless he takes a one year deal to try and rehab his value around the league. He was bad last year and even worse this year.

Severson is interesting. But, I think some team is going to vastly overpay him.

I think the trade route is a much better path to go down than UFA.

Calgary is a team that has a less than great cap situation this summer and they have some intriguing RHD that might be available.

From what I've read, Dumba has been playing much better as of late (was seeing 21+ minutes of ice time all of Feb). I agree I'd take Severson over Dumba. I'm not discounting Dumba though, I think he'd be fine in a 2nd pairing role with Power.

I guess we will have to see the D that is available via trade as well. I'm looking at all the options to improve at this point.
 

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Isn't Lybushkin/Stillman/Bryson/Clague already the 6/7 role. Bottom pair is something we have a lot of on D.
You’ve listed one bottom pairing NHL D and three players that shouldn’t have a role in the NHL on a team trying to win.
 
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