Seeing a 2nd line producer like Horvat getting 8x8... not sure what either one of them would want but it seems like it would be expensive in an open market.
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Seeing a 2nd line producer like Horvat getting 8x8... not sure what either one of them would want but it seems like it would be expensive in an open market.
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I completely agree. Its just a question of development time, and what they develop into. Should at least become solid middle six wingers.
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if Horvat got 8.5 I could see Aho getting 9-10 and Larkin getting 8.5-9.0
I can't see the sabres playing these prices.
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I wouldnt bother. Players drop off in their 30s so you are likely overpaying in open market.
i see larkin and Aho asking for 9.5+ given the ca raises Projected.
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Im glad we dont need to play in that market
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This video will always sum up my feelings about diving into the big money premium UFA market.
I think Dumba is still a smart rental at this point. His cost shouldn't be prohibitive, he's having a down year. See if he's a fit with Power and it works, if it does, sign him, if not, let him go. Let it be a true 'try before you buy' relationship for both sides.
Dumba + Greenway for Mittelstadt+ 2nd. Make it work. Or just Dumba for a 2nd.
Dumba + Greenway for Mittelstadt+ 2nd. Make it work. Or just Dumba for a 2nd.
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Who are you putting on waivers and who are you taking out of the lineup for Dumba?
Carrying three goalies is going to complicate moves at the deadline as a pick or prospect for a player also has to come with the subsequent roster moves to fit the new guy in.
Stop simping for the ownership.
Two straight years below the cap floor. It's more than just a 'choice' to go young. It's being stupidly cheap. They could have gotten assets for taking on salary. They could have overpaid short term. They could have looked at short term rentals. I'm not taking time out of my day to post some hypothetical lineup. They've needed a goalie for THREE years. All years Adams was a GM. You want to go through 3 years of goalie transactions and tell me how none of them were a fit for the Sabres? Go right ahead. You want to tell me all the faceoff winning centers who and PKing forwards/D-men they could have gotten and why they were smart to avoid them? Also on you. There have been ample.
You want to avoid bad long term deals? That's fine. You want to let the young kids grow at the NHL level? Also no problem there, though, I'd argue some of the kids could have benefitted from more AHL time. The issue is having glaring issues (for multiple seasons) and doing nothing to resolve them when you have more more draft picks than you can develop and essentially unlimited short term cap space.
We're are probably going to be the 1st team in NHL history with a Norris Nominee and a Hart Nominee at the same time that misses the playoffs in a league where half the teams make the playoffs. Why? Because the ownership refused to address obvious issues and opted for the cheapest possible route.
Bryson or Clague. Take your pick.
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I also wonder if Gudas is available as a rental if they are thinking about moving the Sams?
I would take Gudas over Dumba as a RHD rental.
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I also wonder if Gudas is available as a rental if they are thinking about moving the Sams?
I would take Gudas over Dumba as a RHD rental.
Those both feel like Summer moves rather than deadline deals. Unless they bottom out hard the next few weeks, have to think they will at least not be sellers.
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Gotta think Zito will do whatever he can to make the playoffs. Can't make himself look foolish after trading Huberdeau and Weegar along with what right now looks like a potential top 15 pick in the draft.
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How do you manage this lineup.
i have no interest in Dumba snd not for thst price.
Dumba is lucky to get a 2bd with retrntion by other teams. Mitts is worth much more than greenway…yet you give our things away…….
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Ryan Johnson would solve a lot of problems.
I wonder if Adams already has the answer.
I wonder if Adams already has the answer.
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If the trade is made deadline day then you don't need to put anyone on waivers do you? Isn't the roster limit gone as of the trade deadline?
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Why is everybody assuming he is ready and can contribute right away? That's a lot of wishfull thinking.
Dumba is having a bad year, he's still going to have value in the market. The only real problem is his cap space, which isn't an issue for us. He's also an upgrade over our entire bottom 3. Mittelstadt is the type of player we have a lot of whereas Greenway represents something we don't have enough of. Even if you consider Mittelstadt more valuable (i don't), swapping a surplus skill set for a lacking skillset of two tweener forwards is a win.
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toddkaz
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Where did I say that in my post? You are just assuming something I never wrote.
Its also naive to think he would be worse than Bryson or Clague.
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I think the 23 player roster limit goes away at 12:01AM on deadline day.
So, they could wait until then...
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Someone with 28 points in 50 games is absolutely not a tweener.
Someone with 6 points in 31 games might be…
Mitts has more goals than greenway has points this season. The fact you see them of equal value (or greenway with more) is a bit much. I’m not against adding greenway, but you have some clouded judgment with mitts . Maybe it stems from all your posts this off-season that the idea of Mitts significantly increasing his production were laughably low (you were wrong, again)
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I do think Greenway adds an element they are lacking in the bottom 6 right now if he plays the way he did in previous seasons, not sure what is going on with him this season however. I agree that Mitts is worth more, and would probably see someone like Asplund as the guy you move for him. Not that I have anything against Asplund, but they would ideally fill similar defensive winger type of roles with Greenway being much more physical and adding that size to the bottom 6. Asplund even with needing a new contract would save the Wild some cap dollars.
As for how he would fit in the line-up, that would all depend a lot on how they view Jost. He's really been a sparkplug for Mittelstadt and Olofsson, but can they afford to have a center winning 36% of his face-offs in the long term? I don't generally get too upset over a guy being below 50% at the dot, but when you're well below 40% that's a pretty major issue when you aren't scoring a point/game to make up for that deficiency. There are several ways you could arrange the bottom 6 with Greenway while keeping Krebs up and having Jost as the 13th forward.
Any interest in any players from teams that should be in a cap bind next season?
Looking at Calgary in particular. Mangiapane, Toffoli?
Could Mangiapane push a guy like Peterka or Quinn to the 3rd line?
Looking at Calgary in particular. Mangiapane, Toffoli?
Could Mangiapane push a guy like Peterka or Quinn to the 3rd line?
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Setting naiveity aside, Johnsson needing no time in the AHL seems optomistic. I think this roster has moved to a different phase of on-the-job training, and going forward the threshold for a roster spot and definition of NHL-ready will get more restrictive and have higher standards. This group is allowed to make mistakes and grow up until now. That is not a perpetual state or philosophy this team will continue to take IMO.
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