Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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No. No. No.

We are NOT in a position to trade away our 2023 1st without protection. We are a BORDERLINE playoff team with more of a chance to miss than make. Teams in our position do not trade unprotected 1sts. Ekholm does NOT guarantee that we make the playoffs.
Hard agree. Lottery protection is an absolute deal-breaker necessity in any trade for just about anyone who might be available.

Right now the Sabres are sitting in 19th or 21st place (depending on whether you want to use points or point percentage), which would have them picking 12th or 14th. It would only take a little regression to get them to 10th or 11th, then the ping-pong balls coming up right (wrong?) and they've traded Bedard for Matthias Eckholm.
 

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He's playing his offhand side this year (so lining up at RD), but what he does best is on the offensive side of the ledger.
Provs and then Chychrun as partners, yeah you're going on the offside. Looking at it as more of transition abilities and getting the puck out of the defensive zone. It doesn't do anything to make them tougher around the net, admittedly.

Chychrun would be the best option so far. Close eyes count to playoffs.

edit: I accidentally a word.
 
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Fixing the D would go a long way in helping out the goaltending. The D absolutely sucked on 3 of the goals against last night.
Hoping for the best shouldn't be a consideration when constructing lines. Looking towards the future I would like to not see one up with Buffalo for a couple of guys whom would better benefit Roch's defensive corps.
 
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Fixing the D would go a long way in helping out the goaltending. The D absolutely sucked on 3 of the goals against last night.

Totally agreed. But I am completely unconvinced that adding another legit top-4 D fixes the D. It'll add talent....and maybe that helps out some......

But I don't think it "fixes" the D to the point where we make the playoffs this year.
 

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I would rather keep the first and bring in someone like Schenn for a 2nd and they can take Fitz or Bryson with it.

I like the idea of Schenn with Power.

Try to extend Schenn for 2 years. He is 33 so its a bit of a risk but Schenn only makes 850k.
No. No. No.

We are NOT in a position to trade away our 2023 1st without protection. We are a BORDERLINE playoff team with more of a chance to miss than make. Teams in our position do not trade unprotected 1sts. Ekholm does NOT guarantee that we make the playoffs.
It's about making sure Power develops into the elite 1D. It's not about making the playoffs, or bringing in someone who can just get the job done.

Dahlin was nearly ruined by Krueger, but saved by Granato and thriving with Samuelsson. If a team came asking about Samuelsson in a trade, we'd all ask for a 1st back, if we don't outright deny the offer.

Ekholm is what we all want Samuelsson to develop into. He's only available because Nashville is bad, needs cap space, and Ekholm is over 30.

Make the move to aid Power's development and the playoffs will come.
 
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......not necessarily this year, even if we add Ekholm.

This is why I am absolutely, positively, 100% against trading our unprotected 2023 1st.
I am against moving the 1st too.
It's about making sure Power develops into the elite 1D. It's not about making the playoffs, or bringing in someone who can just get the job done.

Dahlin was nearly ruined by Krueger, but saved by Granato and thriving with Samuelsson. If a team came asking about Samuelsson in a trade, we'd all ask for a 1st back, if we don't outright deny the offer.

Ekholm is what we all want Samuelsson to develop into. He's only available because Nashville is bad, needs cap space, and Ekholm is over 30.

Make the move to aid Power's development and the playoffs will come.
Schenn can definitely teach Power.
 

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No. No. No.

We are NOT in a position to trade away our 2023 1st without protection. We are a BORDERLINE playoff team with more of a chance to miss than make. Teams in our position do not trade unprotected 1sts. Ekholm does NOT guarantee that we make the playoffs.
If we were in the start or early middle of a rebuild, then I might agree with you, but....

We are coming out of the rebuild. The near to medium future of the core (next 5 years) is either already on the team, already drafted or will be traded for this year or next. Trades and UFA will fill in the edges and balance. We are on our upward trend on the fringe of being a playoff team.

You're not drafting players this year to fill in missing parts of your core. You're drafting this year to have ELC money players available 3-6 years from now to augment roster talent and the cap at the same time.

We currently have way more good quality assets in the pipeline than we have spots for, except defense. So adding another one, or four if you include our 2nds this year, does not help the current team that much.

Also, this whole 2023 awesome draft value thing is way overhyped. It's really just that for the first time post covid, team will have full scouting and analytics on people, so their accuracy in the higher round will be better. In the previous couple drafts there were just as many good players, but they were harder to identify, so quantity of picks, even in later rounds had more value.

Lets not overvalue this one 2023 first round pick for more than it is. If anything, other teams likely overvalue it, so its a good time to take advantage.
 

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It's not about teaching Power. It's about enabling Power to play his game. Could Schenn do that? Sure. We know that Ekholm could completely complement and cover for Power at a world class level.
So you don't want Power to learn from a more experienced defenseman? Bizarre.
 

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It's not about teaching Power. It's about enabling Power to play his game. Could Schenn do that? Sure. We know that Ekholm could completely complement and cover for Power at a world class level.

Schenn has a few years of being a nice complement to QHughes out in Vancouver. If it's someone who can both be reliable as a player back on defense and someone with jam around the net to allow Power the freedom to just press, Schenn's done that. The risk would be expiring contract and that his AAV is so low, he's going to be in major demand from contenders looking for that sort of jam for a playoff series.
 
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It's not about teaching Power. It's about enabling Power to play his game. Could Schenn do that? Sure. We know that Ekholm could completely complement and cover for Power at a world class level.
Granato already does. He doesn’t need a partner for it. Power has played the same way regardless of partner this season.
 

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So you don't want Power to learn from a more experienced defenseman? Bizarre.
Schenn has a few more years in the league and he's a year older. But Ekholm has 10 years of NHL experience and has played in a Cup finals. He's plenty experienced.
Schenn has a few years of being a nice complement to QHughes out in Vancouver. If it's someone who can both be reliable as a player back on defense and someone with jam around the net to allow Power the freedom to just press, Schenn's done that. The risk would be expiring contract and that his AAV is so low, he's going to be in major demand from contenders looking for that sort of jam for a playoff series.
Agreed. Ekholm is the far superior player though on a longer term contract.
Granato already does. He doesn’t need a partner for it. Power has played the same way regardless of partner this season.
Probably better said, Adams would be adding a player who would allow Power to play his way while mitigating any effects defensively.
 
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Who's the 4th one? I count Dahlin, Power, Joki.

Samuelsson was technically a 2nd rounder albeit the highest possible one (32nd).
Samuelson us called a last 1st going forward being picked at 32.
Noboby trades unprotected 1st rounders anymore. Why are Sabres fans, whose team is far form guaranteed to make the playoffs, so willing to put them into proposals?
Idiots trade unprotected 1st.
A combination of good scouting, analytics, and development programs, is something the Sabres have not had together until recently. I don't think we should be judging our future drafts based on the track record of people and organizational systems that are no longer in play.

I feel opposite of you. Outside the first two tiers of 1st rounders, typically 1-3 and 2-9 ish, the NHL drafting 17-18 year olds is much more of a crap shoot. I would probably trade a 20th pick for a pair of mid 2nds every draft and let the odds work in my favor.

no…generally top 20 picks are every day nhl players. Some might not be superstars. It’s rare you get no shows.

once you are after 20 into the 24-40 range you start running into a high probability of the player not making it beyond call ups. Because of where they were drafted and if this is the GMs guy, they get multiple chances.
I wonder if we see a lot of rotating of the lineup during this grinding stretch of games.

There will be at least some of that to facilitate the goalie rotation.

draw straws on if Quinn, Peterka, or Krebs wins paper transaction of the day when UPL plays
So I was listening to NHL radio on SiriusXM on the way home yesterday, and they had Dave Nonis on.........he said that the best GMs out there never listen to fans, media or even their own head coaches at times. Said that they always have to keep their plans in mind and only deviate from them if it is clearly in the franchise's best interest.

Adams will survive for as long as this team is improving..........and then for as long as the team remains competitive.

generally true. If he’s that closed off then there is a real problem if you are t listening to the coaches and scouts seriously.

you do need to have long range plans for the cap in mind and have a 3-5 yr time horizon in mind.
I think Chychrun is off the table because of Adams' desire to stay the course, not block anyone. Someone like Fabbro doesn't take the Sabres off track. Chychrun's cost might.

Ekholm is my perfect add, but it'll hurt a bit.

Ekholm at his sge serious concerns me with him falling off a cliff. I know Buffalo can handle his salary but in not sacrificing the crazy ask for him as if he was 35. Nashville needs the space next year.

problrm with Fabbro is you are then possibly push D to their off side.

my preference is getting a D better than Bryson who can play 2nd pair now snd 3rd pair next year and have a RD in thr pipeline who can replace Lyub in 24/25
Do they want a RD or LD? The already have a RD who has been mostly okay with Power in Jokiharju and a third pairing RD in Lyubushkin who has struggled with injury and some very third-pairing plays. If it is a LD, they have Clague who has looked okay in offensive deployments as Power's caddy but has struggled elsewhere and Bryson who has struggled since the injury bug spiked his TOI in a fashion that he hasn't reset his game. The weaker pair of players are the LD.

Improving the third pair is then living with style complaints about the Power-Jokiharju pairing who are going to give up goals like Beniers' GA3 last night since neither are a mangler in front of the net in the least.
see what I said just above.
I'm good with this:

Trade 2023 1st (unprotected), Clague, and Bloom to Nashville for Ekholm.

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Ekholm - Power
Bryson - Jokiharju
x Lyubushkin
You will regret it …two years from now complaining of Ekholm bad play and realize we would have a D ready to replace him when his contract ends of we picked a D in 23 1st.
......not necessarily this year, even if we add Ekholm.

This is why I am absolutely, positively, 100% against trading our unprotected 2023 1st.

not trading 23 1st unless it’s top 25 protected. evrn a protected one I’d kick in condition compensation if the pick is higher where they give us a 2nd.

with Arizona. In 24 draft I think they have 3 2nds so tie getting a 2nd back to where the 1st is located.
Schenn has a few years of being a nice complement to QHughes out in Vancouver. If it's someone who can both be reliable as a player back on defense and someone with jam around the net to allow Power the freedom to just press, Schenn's done that. The risk would be expiring contract and that his AAV is so low, he's going to be in major demand from contenders looking for that sort of jam for a playoff series.
Schen won’t get money if he is cup chasing. They give him $1.5M at best. Buffalo could offer a little more In terms of pay. A lot will depend on how thry finish.
 

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