Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Sabresfansince1980]

Getting Chychrun wouldn't be about the improving the top-4. It would be about dominating the blue line for every minute of the game.

I can’t tell if this is serious.

I can see the logic in both. Go with a stacked top 4 sometimes, have Power and Chychrun on different pairs at other times.

 

[Diaspora]

I can’t tell if this is serious.

It's totally serious.

Dahlin - Sammy
Chych - Joki/Boosh
Power - Joki/Boosh

You're never trotting out a pair of scrubs for the opposition to feast on. Always a threat

 

[joshjull]

It's totally serious.

Dahlin - Sammy
Chych - Joki/Boosh
Power - Joki/Boosh

You're never trotting out a pair of scrubs for the opposition to feast on. Always a threat

They're not going to do something like that.

 

[Der Jaeger]

It's totally serious.

Dahlin - Sammy
Chych - Joki/Boosh
Power - Joki/Boosh

You're never trotting out a pair of scrubs for the opposition to feast on. Always a threat

If you play it like Tampa:

Hedman - Rutta
Sergachev - Cernak
McDonagh - Savard

When things got tight, they went:

Hedman - Sergachev
McDonagh - rotate in the RHD

If the Sabres acquired Chychrun, you would want to run it in a similar way. 2 periods (ish) of normal rotations:

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Chychrun - Jokiharju
Power - Lyubushkin

When things get tight or in the 3rd:

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Chychrun - Power

Seems fairly straight forward.

 

[Diaspora]

They're not going to do something like that.

Because that would be terrible . . .

If you play it like Tampa:

Hedman - Rutta
Sergachev - Cernak
McDonagh - Savard

When things got tight, they went:

Hedman - Sergachev
McDonagh - rotate in the RHD

If the Sabres acquired Chychrun, you would want to run it in a similar way. 2 periods (ish) of normal rotations:

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Chychrun - Jokiharju
Power - Lyubushkin

When things get tight or in the 3rd:

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Chychrun - Power

Seems fairly straight forward.

Exactly.

It would be nice to play it like Tampa, wouldn't it?

 

[BFLO]

Price on Gavrikov supposedly a 1st and a 3rd or 4th....................ewwwwww, nope.
Price on Chychrun -- 1st, quality prospect, good prospect, pick (more palatable)

Those asks seem more reasonable if you plug in like pick #28 instead of our "1st". And assume a prospect from a playoff team rather than one of ours.

Makes it harder to gauge what the ask would be for us as our draft picks and prospects carry more value.

 

[joshjull]

Because that would be terrible . . .

Because its not realistic.

Exactly.

It would be nice to play it like Tampa, wouldn't it?

Tampa added Savard as a rental at the trade deadline for a Stanley Cup run. He and Ruutta hardly saw the ice (13mins atoi 5v5). The Avs did the same thing when they added Manson for their Cup run.

There is a very big difference between a Cup contender loading up with rentals at the deadline and a team building out its core and their regular season ice time distribution.

 

[Fjordsen]

Because its not realistic.

Tampa added Savard as a rental at the trade deadline for a Stanley Cup run. He and Ruutta hardly saw the ice (13mins atoi 5v5). The Avs did the same thing when they added Manson for their Cup run.

There is a very big difference between a Cup contender loading up with rentals at the deadline and a team building out its core.

And they resign Manson and they still have Makar, Toews, Byram, Girard and a veteran EJ. It would be nice to have such D with Dahlin, Samuelsson, Power, Chychrun/Gavrikov, Joki and Boosh.

 

[joshjull]

And they resign Manson and they still have Makar, Toews, Byram, Girard and a veteran EJ. It would be nice to have such D with Dahlin, Samuelsson, Power, Chychrun/Gavrikov, Joki and Boosh.

It would be. But thats not what they’re specifically talking about.

They're arguing for putting three top pairing dmen on 3 different pairs. I can‘t think of many teams that have had that many top pairing dmen to begin with (Tampa didn’t). Let alone two being franchise level dmen and spreading them out on 3 different pairs during the regular season.

 

[Fjordsen]

It would be. But thats not what they’re specifically talking about.

They're arguing for putting three top pairing dmen on 3 different pairs. I can‘t think of many teams that have had that many top pairing dmen to begin with (Tampa didn’t), let alone spread them out on 3 different pairs during the regular season.

Why not, each has its own advantages. Someone is good in defense and on PK, someone is good in PP and in attack. I mean, look at the defense pairs in Colorado. Toews, Girard and Byram play in three different pairs.

 

[Bendium]

Don't trade our first this year.

Simple

Remember.....this first round pick you covet has more than a 70% chance of NEVER becoming an NHL player that plays 100 games or more. Probably less than 5-10% that they become a core player. So if you can trade it for a 100% chance at a genuine NHL player with term and control, its a no brainer. I wouldn't do it for a rental, but a 22-26 year old known NHL quantity than fits our needs and system? Absolutely that pick is in play. Even Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund may not ever be NHL players. So why are we afraid to move them if the deal is right?

 

[Beerz]

Getting Chychrun wouldn't be about the improving the top-4. It would be about dominating the blue line for every minute of the game.

I would say it's about depth. Losing one of Sammy, Dahlin or Power is alot more manageable if you have a Chych there instead of a Fitz

 

[Deevo]

Remember.....this first round pick you covet has more than a 70% chance of NEVER becoming an NHL player that plays 100 games or more. Probably less than 5-10% that they become a core player. So if you can trade it for a 100% chance at a genuine NHL player with term and control, its a no brainer. I wouldn't do it for a rental, but a 22-26 year old known NHL quantity than fits or needs and system? Absolutely that pick is in play. Even Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund may not ever be NHL players. So why are we afraid to move them if the deal is right?

There are two elite tier forwards in this draft and we probably have balls in the lottery. It's not the year to trade a 1st.

 

[joshjull]

Why not, each has its own advantages. Someone is good in defense and on PK, someone is good in PP and in attack. I mean, look at the defense pairs in Colorado. Toews, Girard and Byram play in three different pairs.

You’re seriously comparing those three being spread over three pairs to Dahlin, Power and Chychrun? Really?

 

[Fjordsen]

There are two elite tier forwards in this draft and we probably have balls in the lottery. It's not the year to trade a 1st.

Just protect 1st in top 10

 

[Fjordsen]

You’re seriously comparing those three being spread over three pairs to Dahlin, Power and Chychrun? Really?

What's the problem? Makar and Toews are excellent defenders and both play on PP. Byram very good young D. Girard is a proven top 4 D. They have enough space for everyone on PP, just distribute the ice time more balanced. It's also not that Boosh and Jokiharju are legit top 4 D's and have a contract like Samuelsson, today they have them and tomorrow they may not be.

 

[Der Jaeger]

It would be. But thats not what they’re specifically talking about.

They're arguing for putting three top pairing dmen on 3 different pairs. I can‘t think of many teams that have had that many top pairing dmen to begin with (Tampa didn’t). Let alone two being franchise level dmen and spreading them out on 3 different pairs during the regular season.

I'm not advocating for the Chychrun trade. But Tampa did have 3 top pairing defenseman on 3 different pairs for a few years, with Hedman, Sergachev, and McDonaugh. The Lightning did that for 4-5 years, depending on how early someone sees Sergachev as a top pairing defenseman, and if someone thought McDonagh was still a top pair defender at the end of his tim in Tampa.

But for at least 2-3 years, Tampa was running 3 top pairing defenders on 3 different pairs.

 

[Bendium]

I'm close on it but it's that Chychrun is UFA in 2.5 years. If it was 3.5...

This is the biggest issue with Chychrun. To me, every day that goes by his trade value decreases because the number of games you are getting out of the trade is going down. It will be 1.5 years before he can be resigned. I think his value is already below the Arizona asking price. I think it goes back up in 1.5 years when he can be traded and extended at the same time. Than a team likely would give up 3 1sts. Not right now.

 

[Zman5778]

I think his value is already below the Arizona asking price.

Always has been, IMO. Arizona's out to lunch if they think they can get what they're rumored to be looking for.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I don’t get the laughing at spreading out Dahlin/Power/Chychrun. Yea it’s unusual but so is having two franchise level, for at overall defensemen. It’s a unique situation.

Spread them out and lessen minutes while pairing them up at the end of games.

I don’t think it’ll happen, but I don’t see why it’s so unrealistic?

 

[Dirty Dog]

It would be. But thats not what they’re specifically talking about.

They're arguing for putting three top pairing dmen on 3 different pairs. I can‘t think of many teams that have had that many top pairing dmen to begin with (Tampa didn’t). Let alone two being franchise level dmen and spreading them out on 3 different pairs during the regular season.

Well, right. There isn’t that many comparables because it’s a unique situation. You have Dahlin and Samuelsson playing on a pair. It’s just suggesting separating Power and Chychrun…which I don’t get why that is absurd?

It lets you spread out the minutes and to always have a dynamic top-pairing quality guy on the ice.

It only seems unrealistic because who has that many quality defensemen? But that’s what happens when you draft two defensemen first overall, and find a samuelsson! If you’re adding Chychrun, you’re adding a 4th top pairing guy essentially…which is wild

 

[toddkaz]

It seems like the ask for Chychrun and the ask for Gavrikov are similar.

If its my choice I am locked onto Chychrun. I know he would want to be here. His family is friends with the Pegulas. It was talked a lot during the draft.

It completely changes the dynamic of the defense and brings down Dahlin's ice time to a more reasonable 24-25 minutes a game.

 

[Bendium]

There are two elite tier forwards in this draft and we probably have balls in the lottery. It's not the year to trade a 1st.

In the current standings we would finish with the 13th pick, and have a 2% chance to move up to the 3rd or 4th pick. So those two players are not even in play, and only a 2% chance to improve. The % is to low to even consider it as a value in the pick.

 

[HaNotsri]

If the ask for Chychrun comes down to a reasonable level I see adding him and Roy from LA as a great combo.

 

[Djp]

Remember.....this first round pick you covet has more than a 70% chance of NEVER becoming an NHL player that plays 100 games or more. Probably less than 5-10% that they become a core player. So if you can trade it for a 100% chance at a genuine NHL player with term and control, its a no brainer. I wouldn't do it for a rental, but a 22-26 year old known NHL quantity than fits our needs and system? Absolutely that pick is in play. Even Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund may not ever be NHL players. So why are we afraid to move them if the deal is right?

On what planet?

sabres pick even if they make the playoffs is likely a top 20 picks

top 20 picks sre generally long term nhl players.

a pick traded 24-36 is in that range you are talking about of never being an established nhler.