Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[toddkaz]

Rosen and a 1st and 2nd for Chychrun

No problem.

 

[Chainshot]

Anderson already has a shot at a playoff team. I do like the idea of getting Borgen though.

True. Borgen is only an option in the summer when Sea might not be able to fit him in.

I love me some Spud, and as you point out, they have no reason to do it right now. I do wonder how they structure their blueline contracts with three RFA's (Dunn, Borgen, Fleury) and 1 UFA (Soucy) to get done.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Sabres don't need to trade any prospects to improve this team, nothing of substance. Pegula could have opened his wallet to add D depth and maybe given up a 4th or 5th. This hard-to-make deal crap is laughable with $17 M in cap room. Cap management. We are not talking about long-term deals. We probably don't even have to take guys signed beyond this year to improve the team.

GMKA has no authorization. I believe. Otherwise, one must come to the conclusion he thinks Bryson and Fitzgerald just need more time and Clague and Pilut are real NHL players. Kevin is smarter than that.

 

[is the answer jesus]

It makes me wince to think of moving something in the 10-18 range in 2023 so that's probably got to be in the mix. Same with Rosen or Ostlund.

Yeah I'm of a similar mindset. I don't really want to move those pieces, which is why I'm sure they'll be immediately brought up in trade discussions. Which is fair, you've certainly gotta give to get, but I'd have to really like the player to get behind a deal like that and I guess I'm just not quite there with Chychrun.
Looking at the market in general for defenseman, I'd be inclined to take a step back if some of these rumored asks are genuine. Prices for defenseman have been out of control for years and this year looks no different.

 

[Chainshot]

Yeah I'm of a similar mindset. I don't really want to move those pieces, which is why I'm sure they'll be immediately brought up in trade discussions. Which is fair, you've certainly gotta give to get, but I'd have to really like the player to get behind a deal like that and I guess I'm just not quite there with Chychrun.
Looking at the market in general for defenseman, I'd be inclined to take a step back if some of these rumored asks are genuine. Prices for defenseman have been out of control for years and this year looks no different.

Yeah, especially RHD which is why I'm kind of more interested in LHD that pushes Bryson into the pressbox and leaves Joker and Boosh on RHD. I don't mind Power-Jokiharju from how they played early on before Joker was hurt. It isn't always pretty, but they weren't giving up goals against. Kinda wish they had been able to get Valimaki prior to the start of the season but who knows if Calgary even thought to offer him before he hit waivers. It seems like trying to find a bargain somewhere is in order.

As for market prices, so many teams are rumored to be looking.

 

[Irie]

Borgen is a pretty firm 6th out of 6 in terms of Dmen ice time for seattle. He might be playing well, but probably not irreplaceable.

Seattle is fighting to hold a playoff spot, sitting with the 28th save% in the league. If the sabres really are thinking UPL will be good enough, and we have 3 similarly skilled net minders, might as well see if craig wants one last shot on a playoff team.

Borgen has the highest Dzone starts on the team by a wide margin, and is on the ice for probably close to 40% of their PK minutes, but he gets zero PP time. Hakstol also tends to play favorites with his icetime, and is keeping his pairings intact so far all season, so Soucy and Borgen are getting less 5 on 5 time than they have probably earned.

Francis *might* move Soucy if he can't re-sign him, but I don't think he moves Borgen unless the offer is something he can't refuse. Ownership has been vocal about doing everything possible to convince the NBA to award them an expansion franchise, so they are heavily invested in the Kraken making the playoffs and keeping their arena full to prove that the Seattle market is a great sports market to the NBA powers that be. Because of that, I am even skeptical that Soucy will be for sale as a deal that makes this years team weaker doesn't really match the message coming out of the org.

They aren't dealing Anderson.

agreed, and for the record, Seattle would have zero interest.

Despite the numbers, Jones is surprisingly passing the eyeball test, and Grubauer is untradeable with this contract.

They also have Driedger coming back in two months, so their crease is going to be exceptionally crowded soon.

 

[Irie]

I love me some Spud, and as you point out, they have no reason to do it right now. I do wonder how they structure their blueline contracts with three RFA's (Dunn, Borgen, Fleury) and 1 UFA (Soucy) to get done.

They will have Donskoi coming off the books, and they likely try to find a buyer for Driedger to free up some extra money.

Dunn should come in around 5.5-6.5, depending on length, so Donskoi more than covers that. Borgen won't get a huge deal due to usage and will likely be underpaid.

They have a couple of rookies in Olofsson and Rykar Evans on D that they could look to slide into their #7 spot, and if Soucy is re-signed somehow, his ability to play both sides makes Fleury tradebait, IMO.

At forward, Geekie and Sprong are due raises, but they shouldn't be substantial, and if they are asking for a lot, they will probably be moved.

Donato is UFA, and gets scratched a lot despite his timely goal scoring. They still have to find room for Wright somewhere, which might push him out as well.

 

[jc17]

Borgen has the highest Dzone starts on the team by a wide margin, and is on the ice for probably close to 40% of their PK minutes, but he gets zero PP time. Hakstol also tends to play favorites with his icetime, and is keeping his pairings intact so far all season, so Soucy and Borgen are getting less 5 on 5 time than they have probably earned.

Francis *might* move Soucy if he can't re-sign him, but I don't think he moves Borgen unless the offer is something he can't refuse. Ownership has been vocal about doing everything possible to convince the NBA to award them an expansion franchise, so they are heavily invested in the Kraken making the playoffs and keeping their arena full to prove that the Seattle market is a great sports market to the NBA powers that be. Because of that, I am even skeptical that Soucy will be for sale as a deal that makes this years team weaker doesn't really match the message coming out of the org.


agreed, and for the record, Seattle would have zero interest.

Despite the numbers, Jones is surprisingly passing the eyeball test, and Grubauer is untradeable with this contract.

They also have Driedger coming back in two months, so their crease is going to be exceptionally crowded soon.

Oh I thought driedger was done for the year

 

[Irie]

Sabres don't need to trade any prospects to improve this team, nothing of substance. Pegula could have opened his wallet to add D depth and maybe given up a 4th or 5th. This hard-to-make deal crap is laughable with $17 M in cap room. Cap management. We are not talking about long-term deals. We probably don't even have to take guys signed beyond this year to improve the team.

GMKA has no authorization. I believe. Otherwise, one must come to the conclusion he thinks Bryson and Fitzgerald just need more time and Clague and Pilut are real NHL players. Kevin is smarter than that.

While teams are always trying to move longterm bad contracts for cap flexibility, I think the issue is that a lot of teams, once under the cap during the season, are not eager to move pieces that are currently helping their roster until they are officially out of the hunt for the year, or decide they want the cap space to pursue a deal for a better fit for their playoff push.

It is still too early in the season for teams to have made those decisions yet.

Getting a useful player with a bad contract in the offseason is easy. Getting one now is a bit trickier.

 

[Fjordsen]

Price on Gavrikov supposedly a 1st and a 3rd or 4th....................ewwwwww, nope.
Price on Chychrun -- 1st, quality prospect, good prospect, pick (more palatable)

Trade for Gavrikov. Perfect trade for us.

Legit top 4 defenseman, not traumatic, good in defense, has experience of playing on RD paired with a more offensive defenseman. Try to extend him while trading.

 

[Fjordsen]

An underlying issue with Gavrikov is representation. While Adams may not have history with Milstein/Gold Star, the past hasn't been great there (Grigorenko, Zadorov). There isn't a single player Milstein's agency represents on the Sabres or in the Buffalo system.

Yeahhhhhh, that's a big-time strike against us once Gav hits UFA. Granted he/they haven't dealt with KA, ya gotta think that there's still some hesitation towards the Pegulas in general.

Though maybe money still talks?

It is written that he is an agent of Rousek.

NHL Contracts by Agent Daniel Milstein | Puckpedia

Also we could trade for one of his clients (Kuzmenko, Barbashev, Barabanov, Mikheyev)

 

[thewookie1]

Trade for Gavrikov. Perfect trade for us.

Legit top 4 defenseman, not traumatic, good in defense, has experience of playing on RD paired with a more offensive defenseman. Try to extend him while trading.

Sadly the price is far too costly on either of them.

We aren't trading a 1st for a UFA rental. Seeing as he'd have us by the balls in contract negotiations.

 

[Fjordsen]

Sadly the price is far too costly on either of them.

We aren't trading a 1st for a UFA rental. Seeing as he'd have us by the balls in contract negotiations.

Again, negotiate an extension when you trade. Zub get 4.6M and he's a legit top 4 RD. He and Gavrikov have the same agent, plus I think he is not averse to living in the state of New York.

I don't understand why these picks are so valuable to us when our pool of prospects is already good. I'd rather trade 2023 1st or 2024 1st than Kulich, Savoie, Rosen or Ostlund.

 

[BG82]

Tyson Kozak
Ryan Johnson
2023 1st
2024 1st
2023 2nd

For

Chychryn

 

[Fjordsen]

Tyson Kozak
Ryan Johnson
2023 1st
2024 1st
2023 2nd

For

Chychryn

This one seems even bigger than asks Arizona.

 

[Irie]

Tyson Kozak
Ryan Johnson
2023 1st
2024 1st
2023 2nd

For

Chychryn

I can't figure out if we are all just getting extra desperate around here, or if there is a general misconception on these boards that Jackb Chychrun is better than Ray Bourque

 

[Aladyyn]

Again, negotiate an extension when you trade. Zub get 4.6M and he's a legit top 4 RD. He and Gavrikov have the same agent, plus I think he is not averse to living in the state of New York.

I don't understand why these picks are so valuable to us when our pool of prospects is already good. I'd rather trade 2023 1st or 2024 1st than Kulich, Savoie, Rosen or Ostlund.

I think the aversion to trading picks is a result of Murray's tenure. We're in a really good position to make one of those Murray trades though imo.

 

[Club]

Tyson Kozak
Ryan Johnson
2023 1st
2024 1st
2023 2nd

For

Chychryn

No. Way.

 

[thewookie1]

Again, negotiate an extension when you trade. Zub get 4.6M and he's a legit top 4 RD. He and Gavrikov have the same agent, plus I think he is not averse to living in the state of New York.

I don't understand why these picks are so valuable to us when our pool of prospects is already good. I'd rather trade 2023 1st or 2024 1st than Kulich, Savoie, Rosen or Ostlund.

Because this draft may be the best since McDavid's or even 03.

Between that and the cap issues for most teams is why the trade market is practically the Sahara

 

[Fjordsen]

Because this draft may be the best since McDavid's or even 03.

Between that and the cap issues for most teams is why the trade market is practically the Sahara

In the top 5 maybe, but I have no problem trading our 1st, also you can protected him in the top 10. We already have a very good pool of prospects and there won’t be enough room for everyone anyway, and getting a good player for roster makes a lot of sense . I would easily trade 1st+ for Gavrikov with extension.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

In the top 5 maybe, but I have no problem trading our 1st, also you can protected him in the top 10. We already have a very good pool of prospects and there won’t be enough room for everyone anyway, and getting a good player for roster makes a lot of sense . I would easily trade 1st+ for Gavrikov with extension.

Guys even in the top 15 are phenomenal this year. If the pick is in the high teens I'm fine trading it. If it's in the 8-15 range I say keep it.

I'd rather just sign Gavrikov as a FA or someone comparable. High picks for pending FA doesn't seem smart.

 

[Fjordsen]

Guys even in the top 15 are phenomenal this year. If the pick is in the high teens I'm fine trading it. If it's in the 8-15 range I say keep it.

I'd rather just sign Gavrikov as a FA or someone comparable. High picks for pending FA doesn't seem smart.

I hear it every year. If it was a choice between Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli and Carlsson, I would still understand, but I'm not even thrilled with some of the top 10 players in this draft. We also have a great pool of prospects, we are not Vancouver. So I would trade our 1st for the right player. The problem with UFA is that we all know that no one wants to play in Buffalo (that's what they often say here), plus Adams probably won't overpay.

Gavrikov is a legit top 4 D in his prime, who can play defense and PK, which is exactly what we need. I would trade our 1st for him, of course, if he immediately comes with an extension. Such is my opinion.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

I hear it every year. If it was a choice between Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli and Carlsson, I would still understand, but I'm not even thrilled with some of the top 10 players in this draft. We also have a great pool of prospects, we are not Vancouver. So I would trade our 1st for the right player. The problem with UFA is that we all know that no one wants to play in Buffalo (that's what they often say here), plus Adams probably won't overpay.

Gavrikov is a legit top 4 D in his prime, who can play defense and PK, which is exactly what we need. I would trade our 1st for him, of course, if he immediately comes with an extension. Such is my opinion.

It's not every year you have a kids like Zach Benson, Andrew Cristall, Dalibor Dvorsky, and Matthew Wood likely available in that range. Can't really remember a year maybe 2019 / 2015 with that level of talent available at those spots. High draft picks are really the only way of getting top level players on really cheap deals. I've got a lot of faith in this scouting department too. We snagged a guy like Kulich with a 28th pick.

I like Gavrikov too, but I don't think trading a 1st for a guy that you can literally sign in FA without giving up anything is smart. Even if we're not able to do so you still have a bunch of guys like Damon Severson, Matt Dumba, Scott Mayfield, Carson Soucy, Nick Jensen, Brian Dumoulin, Ryan Graves, Luke Schenn, Radko Gudas, Niko Mikkola, Dmitry Orlov, and Connor Clifton all available.

 

[Matt Ress]

I hear it every year. If it was a choice between Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli and Carlsson, I would still understand, but I'm not even thrilled with some of the top 10 players in this draft. We also have a great pool of prospects, we are not Vancouver. So I would trade our 1st for the right player. The problem with UFA is that we all know that no one wants to play in Buffalo (that's what they often say here), plus Adams probably won't overpay.

Gavrikov is a legit top 4 D in his prime, who can play defense and PK, which is exactly what we need. I would trade our 1st for him, of course, if he immediately comes with an extension. Such is my opinion.

Who knows if he would want to sign here but players know we have a boatload of cap, one of the best forwards in the league and one of the best defensemen in the league along with the highest scoring team. The Sabres are not nearly as scoff-worthy as even 2 years ago.

I doubt Adams ever goes big game hunting but I can see a Gavrikov as a piece that's needed and not coming up in the near future.

 

[Fjordsen]

It's not every year you have a kids like Zach Benson, Andrew Cristall, Dalibor Dvorsky, and Matthew Wood likely available in that range. Can't really remember a year maybe 2019 / 2015 with that level of talent available at those spots. High draft picks are really the only way of getting top level players on really cheap deals. I've got a lot of faith in this scouting department too. We snagged a guy like Kulich with a 28th pick.

I like Gavrikov too, but I don't think trading a 1st for a guy that you can literally sign in FA without giving up anything is smart. Even if we're not able to do so you still have a bunch of guys like Damon Severson, Matt Dumba, Scott Mayfield, Carson Soucy, Nick Jensen, Brian Dumoulin, Ryan Graves, Luke Schenn, Radko Gudas, Niko Mikkola, Dmitry Orlov, and Connor Clifton all available.

Well maybe I'm not as high on these players as you are. As I said, I will trade our 1st one for the right player - Gavrikov with the extension for me the right player. And the players from your list are all different and not all of them from the top 4 and not even all of them from the bottom can move up to the top 4. Also, I already said about the UFA and that it would probably not be easy. Gavrikov is still LD and can play RD if he really needs to. It's easy to say sign a good UFA player in Buffalo, but much harder to do.