Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Perry Tegula]

Precisely. We've got one 2023 1st round NHL pick. Protected or not, it's rather valuable. I'm not using it on Chychrun. There are aspects of his game that are a perfect fit (D-zone play) but then there are aspects of his game that are absolutely not a fit. If we're spending our 2023 1st rounder, I want someone that fits a little better.

Without it, I don't think we get Chychrun. All the rumors say that Arizona wants picks as opposed to prospects. Adams, I think, would rather give up prospects than picks.

Choice of Savoie/Ostlund/Rosen
+
BUF 2023 1st (if Sabres make playoffs)
or
BUF 2024 1st unprotected (Sabres miss playoffs)

Who says no?

 

[Irie]

Choice of Savoie/Ostlund/Rosen
+
BUF 2023 1st (if Sabres make playoffs)
or
BUF 2024 1st unprotected (Sabres miss playoffs)

Who says no?

The price I'd be willing to pay if I were Adams would be heavily influenced by Jokiharju's injury prognosis. If HJ is due back soon, I would not currently give up much. If his injury looks to be a lingering one that might keep him out of the lineup, I'd be desperate to get some help for Samuelsson and Dahlin to cut back their minutes.

I would still inquire about Fleury in Seattle. Plays a simple game, is pretty physical, defense first RHD that has a knack for getting the puck out of the zone without getting hemmed in without being flashy - AND who happens to be behind 3 RHD that aren't likely going anywhere for the next two seasons.

 

[Zman5778]

Would you be game to include a 2024 first round pick instead?

For Chychrun? Yeah, probably.

 

[Zman5778]

Choice of Savoie/Ostlund/Rosen
+
BUF 2023 1st (if Sabres make playoffs)
or
BUF 2024 1st unprotected (Sabres miss playoffs)

Who says no?

Arizona. Everything says they're looking for 2 1sts AND a good prospect. That's only 2 of the 3. We'd still need to add something of value.

 

[Zman5778]

Price on Gavrikov supposedly a 1st and a 3rd or 4th....................ewwwwww, nope.
Price on Chychrun -- 1st, quality prospect, good prospect, pick (more palatable)

 

[DustyZ]

Choice of Savoie/Ostlund/Rosen
+
BUF 2023 1st (if Sabres make playoffs)
or
BUF 2024 1st unprotected (Sabres miss playoffs)

Who says no?

How do I say this and not sound rude.

That seems insane

I just noticed the OR, lol, so only 1 pick I guess. Still seems a bit high

 

[Zman5778]

How do I say this and not sound rude.

That seems insane

I just noticed the or, so only 1 pick I guess. Still seems a bit high

And the thing is -- a 1st and a quality prospect doesn't really come near ARZ's asking price.

 

[DustyZ]

And the thing is -- a 1st and a quality prospect doesn't really come near ARZ's asking price.

That's amazing to me

I wouldn't do it

 

[Chainshot]

Price on Gavrikov supposedly a 1st and a 3rd or 4th....................ewwwwww, nope.
Price on Chychrun -- 1st, quality prospect, good prospect, pick (more palatable)

An underlying issue with Gavrikov is representation. While Adams may not have history with Milstein/Gold Star, the past hasn't been great there (Grigorenko, Zadorov). There isn't a single player Milstein's agency represents on the Sabres or in the Buffalo system.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Arizona. Everything says they're looking for 2 1sts AND a good prospect. That's only 2 of the 3. We'd still need to add something of value.

I think that package is about the very best they could realistically hope for and that's if a GM gets desperate. Our pick will be a realitively good one. Even if we eek into the playoffs no one is expecting this team to go on a deep run. So from that perspective I doubt they'll do better than the value of that 1st rounder. You then add a recent prospect taken with roughly a mid 1st round grade (values fluctuate a bit from those 3 prospects), but ultimately a good prospect with top 6 potential. If they can do better than that deal it makes it a very easy no for Buffalo.

 

[Zman5778]

An underlying issue with Gavrikov is representation. While Adams may not have history with Milstein/Gold Star, the past hasn't been great there (Grigorenko, Zadorov). There isn't a single player Milstein's agency represents on the Sabres or in the Buffalo system.

Yeahhhhhh, that's a big-time strike against us once Gav hits UFA. Granted he/they haven't dealt with KA, ya gotta think that there's still some hesitation towards the Pegulas in general.

Though maybe money still talks?

 

[Chainshot]

I think that package is about the very best they could realistically hope for and that's if a GM gets desperate. Our pick will be a realitively good one. Even if we eek into the playoffs no one is expecting this team to go on a deep run. So from that perspective I doubt they'll do better than the value of that 1st rounder. You then add a recent prospect taken with roughly a mid 1st round grade (values fluctuate a bit from those 3 prospects), but ultimately a good prospect with top 6 potential. If they can do better than that deal it makes it a very easy no for Buffalo.

It makes me wince to think of moving something in the 10-18 range in 2023 so that's probably got to be in the mix. Same with Rosen or Ostlund.


And's it only 2 years until he's UFA.

 

[Zman5778]

And's it only 2 years until he's UFA.

Beyond the cost to get him......this is the big thing that has me hesitating. When he's UFA, we're gonna have some big contracts on the books.....so I think re-upping him is improbable.

So I'd rather get good without him rather than get good with him and then risk losing him and having to revamp our D on the fly once we're good.

 

[Chainshot]

Yeahhhhhh, that's a big-time strike against us once Gav hits UFA. Granted he/they haven't dealt with KA, ya gotta think that there's still some hesitation towards the Pegulas in general.

Though maybe money still talks?

What value to assign to Gavrikov? He's probably looking at what Klingberg just got in Anaheim, even on the 1-year deal. Can Buffalo afford that?

 

[Zman5778]

What value to assign to Gavrikov? He's probably looking at what Klingberg just got in Anaheim, even on the 1-year deal. Can Buffalo afford that?

I can't see Gavrikov hitting $7M in the FA market unless Chuck Fletcher gets involved. Gav just doesn't put up the numbers.

My gut tells me that he'll likely get somewhere around a 5x5 in the FA market, maybe a little more AAV.

That's in the "it's close, but I think we can make it work range". My question is -- is he worth it??? I don't honestly know. He could form that kismet with Power that Dahlin and Sammy have...........

 

[flashsabre]

Including Joker doesn’t make any sense. We need better depth on defense. Your trade improves a top 4 spot but adds zero depth. Plus it replaces Joker with a dman who has missed 30% of his games due to injuries.

It upgrades the top 4 which is the point. Joker has been injured quite a bit himself.

And for the posters calling for Fabbro he was part of the 2018 Canadian WJC team . Police are looking to charge 5 members from that team. A good young DMan suddenly being available might have more to it. We don’t know who the players are but the connection might be a red flag.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Price on Gavrikov supposedly a 1st and a 3rd or 4th....................ewwwwww, nope.
Price on Chychrun -- 1st, quality prospect, good prospect, pick (more palatable)

So for Buffalo, does that Chychrun demand translate to '23 1st, Krebs, Bloom/Kisakov, and a 4th? If so...

- Krebs is a tough call but I'd consider
- I would not protect the 1st because I think the sooner Chychrun is a Sabre the better they finish
- unprotected should make the big four prospects off limits, so Bloom, Kisakov, whoever, no problem
- no 2023 3rd, so take a 4th and like it

Just have to think long and hard about Krebs.

 

[Zman5778]

So for Buffalo, does that Chychrun demand translate to '23 1st, Krebs, Bloom/Kisakov, and a 4th? If so...

- Krebs is a tough call but I'd consider
- I would not protect the 1st because I think the sooner Chychrun is a Sabre the better they finish
- unprotected should make the big four prospects off limits, so Bloom, Kisakov, whoever, no problem
- no 2023 3rd, so take a 4th and like it

Just have to think long and hard about Krebs.

I've been on record as saying I'm not championing going in for Chych, but I'd see the logic.

If we were to go in for him.....Krebs is a FAR, FAR easier inclusion in the deal for me than an unprotected 2023 1st. Orders of magnitude easier. Also, I know he's not a stud prospect or anything, but Bloom is off-limits for me. We just don't have much of what he brings in our system.

 

[Chainshot]

I can't see Gavrikov hitting $7M in the FA market unless Chuck Fletcher gets involved. Gav just doesn't put up the numbers.

My gut tells me that he'll likely get somewhere around a 5x5 in the FA market, maybe a little more AAV.

That's in the "it's close, but I think we can make it work range". My question is -- is he worth it??? I don't honestly know. He could form that kismet with Power that Dahlin and Sammy have...........

If they could get him for a smidge more than Zub, pffft, easy. I just don't see his agency thinking that is where the value lands with him. $6M or more looking at what he did last year - he had more points than Werenski 5-on-5, as well as more minutes in more defensive deployment. That's why I was saying Klingberg who is about as 1-way a guy as out there and Gavrikov is better at defense and productive at ES/5-on-5 by comparison.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I've been on record as saying I'm not championing going in for Chych, but I'd see the logic.

If we were to go in for him.....Krebs is a FAR, FAR easier inclusion in the deal for me than an unprotected 2023 1st. Orders of magnitude easier. Also, I know he's not a stud prospect or anything, but Bloom is off-limits for me. We just don't have much of what he brings in our system.

Well...I've been on record saying that Krebs is my least favorite young FW. I'm not really very against trading him, I just don't want to flaunt my opinion too much and rile up the pro-Krebs crowd. I like Bloom also, but I guess denying one of the big four make me feel Bloom is a necessary option. I really don't think protection will make a big difference, mostly because I don't expect that Arizona should accept more than top-ten, and Buffalo better NOT be top-ten after a D-corps add like Chychrun.

As for a future contract for Chychrun, here is a copy/paste from one of my earlier posts...

Projecting the cap situation for the 2024-2025 season...

Skinner (9.0) - Thompson (7.2) - Tuch (4.75)
Quinn (0.86) - Cozens (7.0) - Peterka (0.86)
Kulich (0.95) - Mittelstadt (3.5) - Savoie/Rosen (0.95)
Asplund (1.2) - Krebs/Jost (2.5) - Girgensons (2.8)
Two prospects/vets (2.0)

Samuelsson (4.3) - Dahlin (9.5)
Power (5.0) - Jokiharju (4.0)
3rd pair (???)
7th guy (1.5)

Two goalies (2.5)

Yes I know a lot can change, and I did my best to account for that. The point is that this projected roster amounts to only a 71 mil total cap hit. Quinn, Peterka, and any number of the big four prospects will need new contracts the following season, but with a cap ceiling around 90 mil by that time, I think we can hope for some major additions without worrying about cap space. The D-corps needs it the most. I'd say goalie too but I think the front office's path is set in stone (for better or worse).

Edit - not that this cap scenario won't be tight, but there should be wiggle room to keep Chychrun if they want.

 

[jc17]

It pains me to say this, but one of them is named Will Borgen. Unfortunately, Seattle is not giving him up, he's playing way too good right now for them.

There is even a running joke among the Kraken broadcast crew, Olczyk keeps complaining about how good Borgen is playing and how he should definitely be one of the top stars in several wins now, and John Forslund responds about how he will send the memo or petition the 3 star committee etc.

What could have been...

Borgen is a pretty firm 6th out of 6 in terms of Dmen ice time for seattle. He might be playing well, but probably not irreplaceable.

Seattle is fighting to hold a playoff spot, sitting with the 28th save% in the league. If the sabres really are thinking UPL will be good enough, and we have 3 similarly skilled net minders, might as well see if craig wants one last shot on a playoff team.

 

[Chainshot]

Borgen is a pretty firm 6th out of 6 in terms of Dmen ice time for seattle. He might be playing well, but probably not irreplaceable.

Seattle is fighting to hold a playoff spot, sitting with the 28th save% in the league. If the sabres really are thinking UPL will be good enough, and we have 3 similarly skilled net minders, might as well see if craig wants one last shot on a playoff team.

They aren't dealing Anderson.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Borgen is a pretty firm 6th out of 6 in terms of Dmen ice time for seattle. He might be playing well, but probably not irreplaceable.

Seattle is fighting to hold a playoff spot, sitting with the 28th save% in the league. If the sabres really are thinking UPL will be good enough, and we have 3 similarly skilled net minders, might as well see if craig wants one last shot on a playoff team.

Anderson already has a shot at a playoff team. I do like the idea of getting Borgen though.

 

[Zman5778]

I do like the idea of getting Borgen though.

Seattle has zero reason to trade him

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Seattle has zero reason to trade him

True. Borgen is only an option in the summer when Sea might not be able to fit him in.