Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Fjordsen]

Joker can't be faulted for KO shooting a puck in to his face, or blocking shots which is likely he cause of his second stint on the IR.

Of course it's not his fault, he's just constantly unlucky with injuries, and we regularly have a hole in the line-up and our defenders play too much. But we needed the top 4 RD yesterday and it was always discussed on this board.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Of course it's not his fault, he's just constantly unlucky with injuries, and we regularly have a hole in the line-up and our defenders play too much. But we needed the top 4 RD yesterday and it was always discussed on this board.

being "unlucky" with freak injuries isn't a real issue with a player you can hang your hat on. If he had a chronic shoulder or knee injury, sure.

 

[Aladyyn]

I don't see how we can blame the forwards here...

 

[Fjordsen]

being "unlucky" with freak injuries isn't a real issue with a player you can hang your hat on. If he had a chronic shoulder or knee injury, sure.

It's not his problem, but I think we still need top 4 RD or versalite D, who can play LD/RD and top 4 minutes.

 

[MOGlLNY]

It's not his problem, but I think we still need top 4 RD.

I don't disagree, I also like Henri more than most. I think he'd be optimal running the bottom pairing, but he did well in the top 4 before he went back down.

 

[Fjordsen]

I don't disagree, I also like Henri more than most. I think he'd be optimal running the bottom pairing, but he did well in the top 4 before he went back down.

When he is healthy. Although I would prefer to add one more defender. And Adams interested in Chychrun.

 

[Drops of Jupiter]

I would have liked Adams to try on Zub in the scenario that he went to free agency. Ah well.

 

[Fjordsen]

I would have liked Adams to try on Zub in the scenario that he went to free agency. Ah well.

Yeap, he was the number one target for me, but it's too late.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

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I don't see how we can blame the forwards here...

It's funny that you think this tells a story.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I would have liked Adams to try on Zub in the scenario that he went to free agency. Ah well.

He's basically who we need. There are other "Zubs" out there, we need to prioritize finding/acquiring them.

 

[BFLO]

I’d rather look for an upgrade to Bryson more so than worrying about the top 4. Chychrun would be overkill for that.

I agree that Chychrun is overkill. But I think adding an upgrade at #6 is aiming too low.

Adding another top 4 capable guy also pushes Bryson to #7.

I think we need to just assume at least 1 top 4 guy is always going to be out injured. So we need 5 of them.

 

[Drops of Jupiter]

He's basically who we need. There are other "Zubs" out there, we need to prioritize finding/acquiring them.

Maybe Dumba, Soucy, or Mayfield could be a fit depending on their ask.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I think going overkill on a top 4 D-man is reasonable with our current AND future cap situation. For me it just all boils down to the details of the trade, who the D-man is, etc. The concept makes sense to me though. Our best chances at goalie are going to be cheap, our best FW is relatively cheap for the next 7 years, and a bunch of young talent at FW will be cheap. ONE single bad contract right now, and even Skinner isn't that bad at an 80 pts pace. We can afford going big on defense. Yes, we can have a nice thing...just as long as KA doesn't get desperate and overpay.

 

[joshjull]

 

[Irie]

He's basically who we need. There are other "Zubs" out there, we need to prioritize finding/acquiring them.

It pains me to say this, but one of them is named Will Borgen. Unfortunately, Seattle is not giving him up, he's playing way too good right now for them.

There is even a running joke among the Kraken broadcast crew, Olczyk keeps complaining about how good Borgen is playing and how he should definitely be one of the top stars in several wins now, and John Forslund responds about how he will send the memo or petition the 3 star committee etc.

What could have been...

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Do you see him in the lineup? He's injured. Last season, two injuries, this season is the second injury. I would easily trade VO and Mitts and completely redo this line around Krebs or Jost as 3C. But our defense needs help, Dahlin, Samuelsson and Power played too much and already looked tired. For Power, this is generally the first full season in the NHL. We need top 4 RD for more than one year, this problem is known to everyone.

a nonsense argument, hes an asset thats here injured or not, he comes back and you have your top 4 healthy again and still have the assets to go get more parts

trade for chychrun and you have a healthy top 4 d and considerably fewer high value assets and still those holes that need filling

some of Joker + (value of chychrun assets) > all of chychrun assuming he also doesnt catch an act of god in the face

 

[Zman5778]

Of course it's not his fault, he's just constantly unlucky with injuries, and we regularly have a hole in the line-up and our defenders play too much. But we needed the top 4 RD yesterday and it was always discussed on this board.

If Joker is constantly unlucky with injuries, so is Chychrun....who's been hurt MORE than Joker.

Chychrun has never played 70 games in one season in the NHL.

He's only been wholly healthy for ONE NHL season.

You cannot bring up injuries with Joker and just brush them aside with Chychrun; at best, it's disingenuous.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

just to throw this out there

no one is opposed to bringing in Chychrun if its for the scraps that some people think it would take people are opposed to paying the perceived fair market value of multiple 1st/1st equivalent assets, too many holes to fill to spend that kind of currency

 

[DustyZ]

Too much arguing and insulting if you ask me. I really don't care to be honest, other than it's just a little childish at times.

I make posts as a true fan and yes I have opinions. Not sure what all the ganging up is all about because I really mean well and am an authentic person and a big fan of hockey and the team.

I think we're all on the same page really. We love our hockey team and we'd like to see them playing meaningful hockey in March and beyond.

Hopefully Adams will be able to give them some help without breaking the bank with assets.

We want the team to be relevant again. Playing some exciting hockey is a start, but we all see where we need to improve I believe.

I wish the organization nothing but the best of luck in accomplishing it's goals.

I'd also like to wish everyone here Happy Holidays and the best for the new year!


PS. The Sloth has actually seemed a bit faster in the last few games. Not exactly sure what that may mean for his prospects for the future. Hopefully I'm wrong about him.

 

[Zman5778]

no one is opposed to bringing in Chychrun if its for the scraps that some people think it would take people are opposed to paying the perceived fair market value of multiple 1st/1st equivalent assets, too many holes to fill to spend that kind of currency

Precisely. We've got one 2023 1st round NHL pick. Protected or not, it's rather valuable. I'm not using it on Chychrun. There are aspects of his game that are a perfect fit (D-zone play) but then there are aspects of his game that are absolutely not a fit. If we're spending our 2023 1st rounder, I want someone that fits a little better.

Without it, I don't think we get Chychrun. All the rumors say that Arizona wants picks as opposed to prospects. Adams, I think, would rather give up prospects than picks.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

If Joker is constantly unlucky with injuries, so is Chychrun....who's been hurt MORE than Joker.

Chychrun has never played 70 games in one season in the NHL.

He's only been wholly healthy for ONE NHL season.

You cannot bring up injuries with Joker and just brush them aside with Chychrun; at best, it's disingenuous.

The Buffaluck will change with Chychrun and he’ll never get injured again!

 

[Chainshot]

ROR and Cal can both pound sand.

Same.

Rousek and Kozak are interesting as I haven't seen them play very much to really gauge what they bring. Maybe even a guy like Cederqvist could be that type of player, I seem to recall he scored a lot of goals in those greasy areas when he was in the SHL. Weissbach and Biro strike me as Hino type of players though.

My thought with Domi or Wood was inserting another player with some jam to their game that will go to the dirty areas and might compliment guys who play more of a skill game like Mitts or Olofsson. I think Okposo played that game well last season, but looks like he's losing some tread on the tires this year, plus he seems to be doing relatively well with Gus on the 4th line. They need someone for the shorter term right now, and possibly even longer term depending upon what direction they go with that bottom 6 group in the offseason.

I've dug around on Domi a little, also wondering at him and two issues come up - how he has fit in (or not) with the rest of the team since he's had some practice run ins with others and that he's not a good defensive player. At this point, kind of looking for someone who is good at shot suppression more than not but he is a guy who agitates. It would make games with the Rangers a lot more interesting after the Lindgren/Trouba stuff in the playoffs, that's for sure.

I think ppl shouldn't look at his junior number and expect that with the Sabres.. Because he's low on points doesn't mean he's under performing. Its clear the org see's him as a bottom 6 player who can win faceoffs, win battles and kill penalties. How he is being used in Roch is what to expect when/if he comes to Buff. Him and Cederqvist have really good chemistry (at least to my eyes) and can see the both of them be in our bottom 6 in the future.

Yep, Kozak's a guy who is going to be a bottom 6 center who gives the sort of defense first/PK/cycle game that people don't always appreciate.

Reading a bit on the Preds team board. There's a team where the Sabres might be able to make a smart trade to fix a bunch of issues. Sabres could use a legit 3C/4C type and another defenseman. Preds are looking to get younger and also could use some scoring. Their PP isn't real dangerous, and they've scored the fewest goals in the league. The Preds also don't have a ton of cap room, they aren't losing a lot of UFA salary this off-season, and have 5 RFAs to pay. Some names they threw around on their board:

Sissons: 3C/4C type that might not be worth $3M a season anymore.
Fabbro: stagnated development, playing on the 3rd pair, will want a raise this off season as an RFA
Jeannot: they love his play style, but he's going to want a pay upgrade they may not be able to afford

Their board wants to move Johansen and a couple other players, but they realize that contract is going to be hard to move. So here's a deal I'd offer

- Olofsson (50% retained). Pure goal scorer who can fit right in on their 1st PP.
- Fitzgerald. RD to replace Fabbro on the 3rd pair, isn't going to get a huge raise.
- 2nd round pick 2023

-for-

- Fabbro
- Sissons

Fabbro and Sissons? That might solve both the issues right now with one move. I like it.

 

[Chainshot]

Precisely. We've got one 2023 1st round NHL pick. Protected or not, it's rather valuable. I'm not using it on Chychrun. There are aspects of his game that are a perfect fit (D-zone play) but then there are aspects of his game that are absolutely not a fit. If we're spending our 2023 1st rounder, I want someone that fits a little better.

Without it, I don't think we get Chychrun. All the rumors say that Arizona wants picks as opposed to prospects. Adams, I think, would rather give up prospects than picks.

Would you be game to include a 2024 first round pick instead?

 

[The Blunder Years]

Same.



I've dug around on Domi a little, also wondering at him and two issues come up - how he has fit in (or not) with the rest of the team since he's had some practice run ins with others and that he's not a good defensive player. At this point, kind of looking for someone who is good at shot suppression more than not but he is a guy who agitates. It would make games with the Rangers a lot more interesting after the Lindgren/Trouba stuff in the playoffs, that's for sure.



Yep, Kozak's a guy who is going to be a bottom 6 center who gives the sort of defense first/PK/cycle game that people don't always appreciate.



Fabbro and Sissons? That might solve both the issues right now with one move. I like it.

Are these players realistically available? Nashville is one of those teams that’s in purgatory. Maybe we can convince Poile that they’re a VO away from the playoffs or something lmao.

 

[Chainshot]

Are these players realistically available? Nashville is one of those teams that’s in purgatory. Maybe we can convince Poile that they’re a VO away from the playoffs or something lmao.

Not sure - if Fabbro stays on the outs with Hynes and they stay close to the playoff bubble while still struggling to score goals, maybe there can be something to work around Vic for Fabbro. Nashville hasn't fallen out - it's like St. Louis where they win a few in a row after losing a few in a row and they're still hanging around. A decisive move one way or another might make them more interested in selling (losses) or in picking up a scoring player (wins).