Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[Tatanka]

I think it’s pretty funny with all your rants today. You still don’t grasp our main problem is those 5 players and Tuch wilting under the pressure of expectations. It’s their first time experiencing being the top dogs on a team with playoff expectations. They haven’t met the moment at all.

But you’re open to trading one of the guys who hasn’t wilted (Mitts/Joker/Peterka). Is it because it’s easier to pretend the locked in core isn’t the problem?

It’s been amazing reading all the rants and seeing very few posters talking about it. It’s killed us all season.

I had a similar thought so I went to capfriendly, and if they are to be believed, the long term contracts are not ironclad. The M-NMC provisions do not kick in til next year and even then they are 5 team no trade lists. Thus I think locked in is not quite true With the exception of Skinner. So without limiting the discussion to those perceived to be entrenched, I think the universe of possible moves expands. I also think it was by design that it is very possible to move those long term commitments in the future. I would start any analysis with the full universe of players and go from there.

 

[TageGod]

I think it’s pretty funny with all your rants today. You still don’t grasp our main problem is those 5 players and Tuch wilting under the pressure of expectations. It’s their first time experiencing being the top dogs on a team with playoff expectations. They haven’t met the moment at all.

But you’re open to trading one of the guys who hasn’t wilted (Mitts/Joker/Peterka). Is it because it’s easier to pretend the locked in core isn’t the problem?

It’s been amazing reading all the rants and seeing very few posters talking about it. It’s killed us all season.

If you mean his body wilting.....he is 8-9 for 17 in 22......

 

[joshjull]

I am curious if the pressure isn't on those guys, because they may not feel like the leadership group or be the core. Maybe they aren't wilting because they don't have the pressure that the others do in the room. That doesn't mean they would/wouldn't wilt, just interesting to see the character that comes on when the pressure is on.

It’s probably the case with Peterka. Maybe Joker as well. But I think it would be hard to argue that about Mitts. He’s referenced by Adams as part of the core group and used by Granato in that way as well.

I would say the only one from the longer term guys, that has shown they are at least up to the task has been Dahlin. It was nice to see Cozens to speak up, but I feel it's way too early in his career that he takes that role. He needs to focus on hockey and not the pressure of the long term contract.

Dahlin of last season didn’t show up until the Jets game. Which was game 17 or so. That’s hardly being the player we need.

 

[joshjull]

If you mean his body wilting.....he is 8-9 for 17 in 22......

If only this was fantasy hockey. What made him so good last season was his play in all three zones. It’s not happening this season. He, along with the others, are make mistakes that have cost us.

EDIT: I’m not saying those guys suck. I’m saying they hey aren’t at the level we need them to be. It also varies how far off each of them are. Some have more work to do than others

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Because a guy who only has one point so far this season, is currently in the AHL, and was recently placed on waivers is exactly what the Sabres need...

 

[Ace]

Finally Adams big move we’ve waited two years for. An AHL tweener from the only team behind you in the standings.

 

[start winnin]

LOL WHY? I can't wait to hear about this one

 

[Tatanka]

Someone named Coby Maier confirmed it was a done deal. Don’t do twiiter so no idea if he is legit. In CBJ board.

 

[Tatanka]

Lol from an article on CBJ fan site

“Robinson established himself as a speedy NHL winger, who brings some size and two-way capabilities to the club. He’s mostly thought of as an effective penalty killer, but he doesn’t bring a ton else to the table. He’s not overly physical, he doesn’t have much of a scoring touch; really, the best thing you can say about him is that usually, when he’s on the ice, nothing really happens. He’s a classic replacement level player.”

 

[Irie]

Because a guy who only has one point so far this season, is currently in the AHL, and was recently placed on waivers is exactly what the Sabres need...

Depth move that can be buried in Rochester that gives the team a bottom six defensive forward/pk call-up option for when Greenway or Gus get hurt?

Not the worst move if the price is right.

 

[TageGod]

Maybe they need a body for his next 3+ piece move coming soon?......

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Depth move that can be buried in Rochester that gives the team a bottom six defensive forward/pk call-up option for when Greenway or Gus get hurt?

Not the worst move if the price is right.

The 2 forwards who can play in the defensive zone are injured. This guy also can forecheck. So yay, I guess.

 

[Ace]

Nailed this yesterday

 

[TehDoak]

Essentially a drop in replacement for Zemgus. I'm curious if he's done for the year.

 

[Ace]

Essentially a drop in replacement for Zemgus. I'm curious if he's done for the year.

Wish they had gotten the memo about the long term injury to Jack Quinn too.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

This might be premature, so if so my apologies. I'm trying to think of what roster moves should be done between now and next season, but most likely at the TDL or after. Assuming all UFAs walk and all RFAs re-sign (not a big leap considering KAs bland track record) we get a roster with a 77 mil cap hit, with 10 mil to potentially spend -

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Benson - Mittelstadt (7 mil) - xxxxx
Quinn - Cozens - Peterka
Greenway - Krebs (1.2 mil) - xxxxx
Kulich, Rosen

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Jokiharju (3 mil)
Johnson - Clifton
xxxxx

UPL (2 mil)
Levi

It's not ideal to get even younger and less experienced but I doubt Kulich and Rosen will remain in Rochester for another season, so I counted them in. There will still be two FW spots and one D-man spot open to fill with veteran two-way or straight up big/physical players. Who should they be, by trade or UFA? Is that enough to give better options for Granato (assuming he stays and people think he just needs better players from KA)?

 

[Ace]

This might be premature, so if so my apologies. I'm trying to think of what roster moves should be done between now and next season, but most likely at the TDL or after. Assuming all UFAs walk and all RFAs re-sign (not a big leap considering KAs bland track record) we get a roster with a 77 mil cap hit, with 10 mil to potentially spend -

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Benson - Mittelstadt (7 mil) - xxxxx
Quinn - Cozens - Peterka
Greenway - Krebs (1.2 mil) - xxxxx
Kulich, Rosen

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Jokiharju (3 mil)
Johnson - Clifton
xxxxx

UPL (2 mil)
Levi

It's not ideal to get even younger and less experienced but I doubt Kulich and Rosen will remain in Rochester for another season, so I counted them in. There will still be two FW spots and one D-man spot open to fill with veteran two-way or straight up big/physical players. Who should they be, by trade or UFA? Is that enough to give better options for Granato (assuming he stays and people think he just needs better players from KA)?

I mean…this is exactly what he will do but no of course it will be a disaster.

 

[TehDoak]

This might be premature, so if so my apologies. I'm trying to think of what roster moves should be done between now and next season, but most likely at the TDL or after. Assuming all UFAs walk and all RFAs re-sign (not a big leap considering KAs bland track record) we get a roster with a 77 mil cap hit, with 10 mil to potentially spend -

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Benson - Mittelstadt (7 mil) - xxxxx
Quinn - Cozens - Peterka
Greenway - Krebs (1.2 mil) - xxxxx
Kulich, Rosen

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Jokiharju (3 mil)
Johnson - Clifton
xxxxx

UPL (2 mil)
Levi

It's not ideal to get even younger and less experienced but I doubt Kulich and Rosen will remain in Rochester for another season, so I counted them in. There will still be two FW spots and one D-man spot open to fill with veteran two-way or straight up big/physical players. Who should they be, by trade or UFA? Is that enough to give better options for Granato (assuming he stays and people think he just needs better players from KA)?

First off, you cannot return with the same center spline. You need a guy who can handle defensive heavy lifting and a guy who is at least decent in his own zone. Part of the issue here is that the roster simply not constructed properly. If you want to win, we are going to have to downgrade in terms of skill and upgrade in terms of function.

It's the same on defense and goal. At least in goal you can let the year play out before making any decisions. See how Levi reacts in the minors and see if he's ready for a role next year. And see if UPL can find the consistency he hasn't had in the pros yet. That is one place you can wait and see.

On defense, it needs to be about finding the proper partner for Power and finding the coaching staff who can work with them about their defensive positioning. These guys are lost in their own zone.

Either way, that roster makeup is far too similar in key spots than I am comfortable with. There needs to be a good portion of this roster turned over. It's just too poorly constructed.

 

[Ace]

Greenway
Stillman
Erik Johnson
Clifton
Comrie
Jost
Lyubushkin
Robinson

25 months of work from Adams on a team supposed to be building a winner. Every NHL acquisition since the Eichel trade. Over two years ago.

Doing nothing is his A game.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

First off, you cannot return with the same center spline. You need a guy who can handle defensive heavy lifting and a guy who is at least decent in his own zone. Part of the issue here is that the roster simply not constructed properly. If you want to win, we are going to have to downgrade in terms of skill and upgrade in terms of function.

It's the same on defense and goal. At least in goal you can let the year play out before making any decisions. See how Levi reacts in the minors and see if he's ready for a role next year. And see if UPL can find the consistency he hasn't had in the pros yet. That is one place you can wait and see.

On defense, it needs to be about finding the proper partner for Power and finding the coaching staff who can work with them about their defensive positioning. These guys are lost in their own zone.

Either way, that roster makeup is far too similar in key spots than I am comfortable with. There needs to be a good portion of this roster turned over. It's just too poorly constructed.

I would target Sturm, Lindholm, Noesen, Watson, and Matt Roy via trade or FA. I would be willing to trade any of Krebs, Savoie, Rosen, lesser prospects and draft picks. I only prefer to keep Kulich and Ostlund (and Mitts, but I don't feel like getting into that with you again). I'd rather move Cozens to wing or trade him if you need to clear cap space.

 

[truthbluth]

How many times in recent NHL history has a floundering team been saved by an early in-season trade? I would not be surprised if the answer is never. I can’t think of any. On the other hand, how many floundering teams have saved their season by firing the coach? I can think of several without even putting any thought into it. Kevyn’s chance to save Donnie’s job was in the offseason. It’s too late now.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I would target Sturm, Lindholm, Noesen, Watson, and Matt Roy via trade or FA. I would be willing to trade any of Krebs, Savoie, Rosen, lesser prospects and draft picks. I only prefer to keep Kulich and Ostlund (and Mitts, but I don't feel like getting into that with you again). I'd rather move Cozens to wing or trade him if you need to clear cap space.

Sturm would be a solid pick up.

Roy and Grundstrom from the Kings would solve some problems.

 

[The Red Helmet]

I have a question for the toughness, physicality doesn't matter crowd. Do you think Matthew Tkachuk would be the same player and have the same effectiveness if he never hit anybody and never used his size to his advantage?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I have a question for the toughness, physicality doesn't matter crowd. Do you think Matthew Tkachuk would be the same player and have the same effectiveness if he never hit anybody and never used his size to his advantage?

Where is this crowd you speak of? Sounds made up.

 

[Mattilaus]

Where is this crowd you speak of? Sounds made up.

People are upset. They create someone to argue against. It's just like earlier in the year when people were saying "the board" was fine with Adams not getting a vet goaltender when we have polls that were done that show the vast majority of the board wanted to add one. Need someone to say "I told you so" to.