Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[Ace]

In retrospect…I’m happy that he failed to replace Quinn after he went down. You don’t get to use injuries as an excuse when the whole world saw how much you bothered to handle injuries when you had the chance. Not being prepared for them is inexcusable. Not filling a hole that you knew was already in the top six before free agency is fireable..

 

[toomuchsauce]

Power will still be a very good player but I think it’s fair to say his defensive development has stagnated

"stagnated" is one way to put it. "Never started" is how I would phrase it. dude does not play defense (at least, not in the sense of "defending against the other team in an attempt to prevent them from scoring"). never has, and never will.

 

[Ace]

I love how people default to height as the problem. Smh

Height isn’t the problem. Drafting the same thing over and over is.

They have more sub 6 foot winger prospects than you can ever use. Sorry if the fact offends you. But they value small skill winger more than anything in the world. And they’re total shit.

Im not going to leave out an accurate descriptor because you can understand the purpose of the joke. That is a you problem.

 

[truthbluth]

Imo, the roster question and the draft question are different. You draft the best prospects. Period. A good GM (whatever that is) should just draft the best prospect regardless of position or type always. A good GM would then trade said prospect for the right deal. How much better would the Sabre be without Matthew Savoie or Jiri Kulich but WITH Timo Meier or Jakob Chychrun? It isn’t the draft, it’s the Darcy Regierian holding onto your prospects forever and failing to improve the team with veteran players. It’s really a shame because they could have a very young nice core.

Anyways, I haven’t made it through a first period in a while and I’m starting not even care. So that’s fun. I’m having a Ryan O’Reilly moment here. Last night I watched boring as TV as protest.

Full disclosure, I am laid up with Covid right now and couldn’t take that gong show on top of feeling like hammered shit.

 

[joshjull]

Imo, the roster question and the draft question are different. You draft the best prospects. Period. A good GM (whatever that is) should just draft the best prospect regardless of position or type always. A good GM would then trade said prospect for the right deal. How much better would the Sabre be without Matthew Savoie or Jiri Kulich but WITH Timo Meier or Jakob Chychrun? It isn’t the draft, it’s the Darcy Regierian holding onto your prospects forever and failing to improve the team with veteran players. It’s really a shame because they could have a very young nice core.

Anyways, I haven’t made it through a first period in a while and I’m starting not even care. So that’s fun. I’m having a Ryan O’Reilly moment here. Last night I watched boring as TV as protest.

Full disclosure, I am laid up with Covid right now and couldn’t take that gong show on top of feeling like hammered shit.

Feel better soon!

 

[TehDoak]

I honestly have no idea how you fix this defense.

Next season, we'll be spending 28M+ on a defense that can't defend.

The only player capable of carrying another is Dahlin.

Power needs support, Samuelsson needs support, Joker needs support, Clifton needs support, Johnson needs support

5 out of our 6 d-men need a complimentary d-men to be successful.

If we assume Samuelsson can pull his head out of his own ass and Samuelsson-Dahlin can be a thing.

I also can assume that Clifton is the six D in locked in.

What the f*** do we do with Johnson, Power, and Joker.

Power/Joker doesn't work.

Power/Clifton doesn't work.

Have we tried Johnson-Clifton?

Does Johsnon-Joker work?

Someone has to go and someone needs to get brought in.

Joker makes some sense even though he's playing well. He's a RFA and should have value.

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-XXXX
Johnson-Clifton

I have no idea what to do with this very expensive not very functional unit.

 

[sabremike]

I honestly have no idea how you fix this defense.

Next season, we'll be spending 28M+ on a defense that can't defend.

The only player capable of carrying another is Dahlin.

Power needs support, Samuelsson needs support, Joker needs support, Clifton needs support, Johnson needs support

5 out of our 6 d-men need a complimentary d-men to be successful.

If we assume Samuelsson can pull his head out of his own ass and Samuelsson-Dahlin can be a thing.

I also can assume that Clifton is the six D in locked in.

What the f*** do we do with Johnson, Power, and Joker.

Power/Joker doesn't work.

Power/Clifton doesn't work.

Have we tried Johnson-Clifton?

Does Johsnon-Joker work?

Someone has to go and someone needs to get brought in.

Joker makes some sense even though he's playing well. He's a RFA and should have value.

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-XXXX
Johnson-Clifton

I have no idea what to do with this very expensive not very functional unit.

In 17-18 the Islanders under Dead Weight were the most comically awful defensive team I think I have ever seen. A "good" performance was holding an opponent to under 40 shots on goal. The next season they were the best defensive team in the league. What changed?

Coaching matters.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I honestly have no idea how you fix this defense.

Next season, we'll be spending 28M+ on a defense that can't defend.

The only player capable of carrying another is Dahlin.

Power needs support, Samuelsson needs support, Joker needs support, Clifton needs support, Johnson needs support

5 out of our 6 d-men need a complimentary d-men to be successful.

If we assume Samuelsson can pull his head out of his own ass and Samuelsson-Dahlin can be a thing.

I also can assume that Clifton is the six D in locked in.

What the f*** do we do with Johnson, Power, and Joker.

Power/Joker doesn't work.

Power/Clifton doesn't work.

Have we tried Johnson-Clifton?

Does Johsnon-Joker work?

Someone has to go and someone needs to get brought in.

Joker makes some sense even though he's playing well. He's a RFA and should have value.

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-XXXX
Johnson-Clifton

I have no idea what to do with this very expensive not very functional unit.

Samuelsson has been the defenseman who provides support, he's just not doing it right now.

Ryan Johnson is a support defenseman. He's a rookie.

There's two that can allow a partner to roam. Add in Dahlin, and it's not that gloomy.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Samuelsson has been the defenseman who provides support, he's just not doing it right now.

Ryan Johnson is a support defenseman. He's a rookie.

There's two that can allow a partner to roam. Add in Dahlin, and it's not that gloomy.

If you are not providing support for 25% of the season, you officially can't provide support.

In 17-18 the Islanders under Dead Weight were the most comically awful defensive team I think I have ever seen. A "good" performance was holding an opponent to under 40 shots on goal. The next season they were the best defensive team in the league. What changed?

Coaching matters.

What if coaches aren't allowed to deploy the plan they think is best?

1) A good coach would never work in those conditions
2) We can never really assess your coach because he's not allowed to do what he thinks is best.

Now I don't know if our coaches are given instructions on who to play, but if they are, there's no hope with any coach. And I'm really starting to wonder.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If you are not providing support for 25% of the season, you officially can't provide support.

Not sure what you mean. Injuries?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Not sure what you mean. Injuries?

If he can't provide support most of his time on the ice this season, you can't say he's a player who can provide support. Just because he did it once doesn't mean he can do it again. The NHL sees flash-in-the-pan players all the time.,

 

[BFLO]

Just a friendly reminder that we are in position to draft 6th overall right now by points %.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If he can't provide support most of his time on the ice this season, you can't say he's a player who can provide support. Just because he did it once doesn't mean he can do it again. The NHL sees flash-in-the-pan players all the time.,

Samuelsson's game is to provide support. I'm not sure if it's flash in the pan or that he's just left hanging by a team that doesn't play defense well, and bad goaltending.

 

[Beerz]

Samuelsson's game is to provide support. I'm not sure if it's flash in the pan or that he's just left hanging by a team that doesn't play defense well, and bad goaltending.

I think he's hurt.. he was playing fine until he got hurt

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Just a friendly reminder that we are in position to draft 6th overall right now by points %.

Time to start selling off soon.

 

[Chainshot]

Imo, the roster question and the draft question are different. You draft the best prospects. Period. A good GM (whatever that is) should just draft the best prospect regardless of position or type always. A good GM would then trade said prospect for the right deal. How much better would the Sabre be without Matthew Savoie or Jiri Kulich but WITH Timo Meier or Jakob Chychrun? It isn’t the draft, it’s the Darcy Regierian holding onto your prospects forever and failing to improve the team with veteran players. It’s really a shame because they could have a very young nice core.

Anyways, I haven’t made it through a first period in a while and I’m starting not even care. So that’s fun. I’m having a Ryan O’Reilly moment here. Last night I watched boring as TV as protest.

Full disclosure, I am laid up with Covid right now and couldn’t take that gong show on top of feeling like hammered shit.

Hope you have a quick recovery.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Time to start selling off soon.

But selling off what? The pieces of value aren’t the problem. It’s the dead weight

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

But selling off what? The pieces of value aren’t the problem. It’s the dead weight

I would sell anyone but the five under contract long term -- anyone that another team covets. Tuch, Mitts, Joki, Quinn, and/or Peterka. They all have very good value around the league.

 

[Beerz]

Maybe Dahlin taking over Captain?

While the right move... I would hate this to be the action taken to turn things around

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

I would sell anyone but the five under contract long term -- anyone that another team covets. Tuch, Mitts, Joki, Quinn, and/or Peterka. They all have very good value around the league.

Tuch and peterka should stay …mitts is flying high so we should sell high. I don’t want to pay him what he’s going to get paid when we should replace that with a couple people with more grit. We have this skill in the system already, should get one more good, or a couple grit players that still can score

 

[thewookie1]

I would sell anyone but the five under contract long term -- anyone that another team covets. Tuch, Mitts, Joki, Quinn, and/or Peterka. They all have very good value around the league.

To trade Tuch would be akin to suicide

Quinn and Peterka shouldn't be available

Mitts is a toss up due to his present value on the team

 

[Beerz]

Maybe Dahlin taking over Captain?

While the right move... I would hate this to be the action taken to turn things around

Well that didn't last

 

[joshjull]

I would sell anyone but the five under contract long term -- anyone that another team covets. Tuch, Mitts, Joki, Quinn, and/or Peterka. They all have very good value around the league.

I think it’s pretty funny with all your rants today. You still don’t grasp our main problem is those 5 players and Tuch wilting under the pressure of expectations. It’s their first time experiencing being the top dogs on a team with playoff expectations. They haven’t met the moment at all.

But you’re open to trading one of the guys who hasn’t wilted (Mitts/Joker/Peterka). Is it because it’s easier to pretend the locked in core isn’t the problem?

It’s been amazing reading all the rants and seeing very few posters talking about it. It’s killed us all season.

 

[JLewyB]

Maybe Dahlin taking over Captain?

While the right move... I would hate this to be the action taken to turn things around

Ill be shock if KA and/or Pegula did anything. Dahlin, Okposo and Granato meeting to figure this shit show out is most likely. I would say covid is possible. UPL was sick and probably made out with everyone

Nevermind: injury thread explains most of whats going on. Nothing connected which I shouldve guessed

 

[OkimLom]

I think it’s pretty funny with all your rants today. You still don’t grasp our main problem is those 5 players and Tuch wilting under the pressure of expectations. It’s their first time experiencing being the top dogs on a team with playoff expectations. They haven’t met the moment at all.

But you’re open to trading one of the guys who hasn’t wilted (Mitts/Joker/Peterka). Is it because it’s easier to pretend the locked in core isn’t the problem?

It’s been amazing reading all the rants and seeing very few posters talking about it. It’s killed us all season.

I am curious if the pressure isn't on those guys, because they may not feel like the leadership group or be the core. Maybe they aren't wilting because they don't have the pressure that the others do in the room. That doesn't mean they would/wouldn't wilt, just interesting to see the character that comes on when the pressure is on.

I would say the only one from the longer term guys, that has shown they are at least up to the task has been Dahlin. It was nice to see Cozens to speak up, but I feel it's way too early in his career that he takes that role. He needs to focus on hockey and not the pressure of the long term contract.