Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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Sorry but powers ceiling is victor Hedman who he is tracking similar to …how soon we forget how long it took Dahlin to be Dahlin. Weegars ceiling is…an older worse weegar. Not a D in the conversation with Hedman. I get that you want a really good player that might be better now - but this would be a franchise crushing move for a franchise that’s already crushed. Sorry but I think even considering this is just madness
In what sense do you see Hedman as a comparison for Power? not that I disagree that he will fulfill his draft pedigree but I don't think Power will ever be respected for his actual size. he has a lot finesse to his offensive game but he seems timid in all areas that involve contact and Hedman is not at all like that.
 
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Man Vegas bottom 6 is just so much more effective than ours. Roy, Amadio, Carrier etc….

200 foot players who are reliable and chip in offense

Compare it to what we got going on down there.


Nah you are just underrating Power.

That is one of the worst proposals I have seen involving the Sabres and it was done by a Buffalo fan…
I just don't see it.. I think that contract is going to be an anchor as I don't think being an elite transitioner is going to be worth 8.35 mill a year when they are inadequate on defense and "good" on offense.

I think Power was already an underwhelming #1 overall talent.. if we hadn't signed him to that massive contract I would be more willing to wait and be patient but I think by the time our patience runs out it will be too late and we will be stuck with an ugly contract for duration.
 
Kulich has 37 goals in his last 60 AHL games, inclusive of playoffs. He's not even 20 yet. Give that guy some consistent run in Buffalo.

My brother jokes that they are arbitrarily setting 100 AHL games as the checkpoint for him to be promoted. I initially laughed. Now I think he might be right. He's at 92.
 
Kulich has 37 goals in his last 60 AHL games, inclusive of playoffs. He's not even 20 yet. Give that guy some consistent run in Buffalo.

My brother jokes that they are arbitrarily setting 100 AHL games as the checkpoint for him to be promoted. I initially laughed. Now I think he might be right. He's at 92.
Oh wow, he scored a lot of goals in the AHL -- It's almost like they're different leagues.
 
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Sorry but powers ceiling is victor Hedman who he is tracking similar to …how soon we forget how long it took Dahlin to be Dahlin. Weegars ceiling is…an older worse weegar. Not a D in the conversation with Hedman. I get that you want a really good player that might be better now - but this would be a franchise crushing move for a franchise that’s already crushed. Sorry but I think even considering this is just madness
Power's ceiling is/was always Hanifin. Nothing about Power's game at any point before being drafted or since resembled anything to the level of what Hedman looked like as a prospect.

With that said, I think trading Power for Weegar would be a pretty poor use of your high quality assets. Do I think it would crush the franchise, not in the slightest, but it would be an example of poor asset management that you wouldn't be getting the most value out of it.
 
Oh wow, he scored a lot of goals in the AHL -- It's almost like they're different leagues.
Your response might have some merit if I was talking about an AHL tweener. He's 19. He's adjusted to the NA game and, over that period, he's been one of the best goalscorers in that league. We are 26th in goals/game. More importantly, we continue to give ice time to inferior players, including several who are unquestionably not long-term pieces. In light of these facts, I'm not sure "LOL, who cares about rewarding that elite goal-scoring prospect with some consistent ice time while we are ravaged by injuries" is the appropriate response.
 
Maybe.. im probably down on Power more than most. I just don't see #1 Overall talent. I don't see him as ever going to be adequate at defense and I don't think his offense is going to be spectacular either
I think it’s worth remembering Power plays an insane amount of minutes for a dman his age. Even with his draft pedigree, it’s a lot.

I don‘t know who is the best comparison of existing top dmen. But it’s going to take time for his game to elevate to the level of his responsibilities.
 
Kulich has 37 goals in his last 60 AHL games, inclusive of playoffs. He's not even 20 yet. Give that guy some consistent run in Buffalo.

My brother jokes that they are arbitrarily setting 100 AHL games as the checkpoint for him to be promoted. I initially laughed. Now I think he might be right. He's at 92.
What's the rush? The guy is playing center which takes sometime to develop, especially for players that are "adapting" to the North America game and he's a high-quality prospect. Seems you want to make sure that you get the most out of that prospect. As you said, he's not even 20 yet. I know this might go against what some people might believe, but "developing" in the NHL especially early in one's career, isn't the best course for every player, and probably shouldn't happen until his overall/two-way game is at a level you don't need to worry about, or he's so dynamic on the ice, that you can't survive without him, and I feel Kulich is a guy that you can afford to take the time to bring him along slowly that doesn't need to be at the NHL level so soon.

Give him chances with call ups I'm fine with, but to give him consistent time, it feels like you are planning on stunting his growth by shoehorning his linemates to be less than desired players.
 
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What's the rush? The guy is playing center which takes sometime to develop, especially for players that are "adapting" to the North America game and he's a high-quality prospect. Seems you want to make sure that you get the most out of that prospect. As you said, he's not even 20 yet. I know this might go against what some people might believe, but "developing" in the NHL especially early in one's career, isn't the best course for every player, and probably shouldn't happen until his overall/two-way game is at a level you don't need to worry about, or he's so dynamic on the ice, that you can't survive without him, and I feel Kulich is a guy that you can afford to take the time to bring him along slowly that doesn't need to be at the NHL level so soon.

Give him chances with call ups I'm fine with, but to give him consistent time, it feels like you are planning on stunting his growth by shoehorning his linemates to be less than desired players.
Giving him minutes and quality players would help his development. Give him a legit stint then send him down and have him work on what he needs to.

I don't see how you're stunting his develpment
 
Can another center show up at some point this season and save Mitts? He is being ridden into the ground.

-He‘s played 21 or more minutes overall in 7 of the last 13gms
-In the last 7 games he’s averaging 21+mins a night.
-In 5 of the last 7 he’s played about 23mins
-in 2 of the last 7 he's played about 24mins

That is an insane amount of minutes for a forward and is unsustainable. Its why his game has been breaking down recently. He’s being asked to do way too much.
 
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Can another center show up at some point this season and save Mitts? He is being ridden into the ground.

-In the 14gms of November his overall atoi was 19:31.
-Last 7 games he’s averaging 21+mins a night in overall minutes.
-In 5 of them he’s played about 23mins
-in 2 of them he's played about 24mins

That is an insane amount of minutes for any forward and is unsustainable. Its why his game has been breaking down recently. He’s being asked to do way too much.
Can I interest you in one Tage "The Toolman" Thompson...
 
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Giving him minutes and quality players would help his development. Give him a legit stint then send him down and have him work on what he needs to.

I don't see how you're stunting his develpment
Did you overlook my 2nd paragraph?
 
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Can another center show up at some point this season and save Mitts? He is being ridden into the ground.

-He‘s played 21 or more minutes overall in 7 of the last 13gms
-In the last 7 games he’s averaging 21+mins a night.
-In 5 of the last 7 he’s played about 23mins
-in 2 of the last 7 he's played about 24mins

That is an insane amount of minutes for a forward and is unsustainable. Its why his game has been breaking down recently. He’s being asked to do way too much.

Once Cozens finishes his turnaround (and he's nearly there.....he looked GOOD against Nashville) and once Tage is healthy, I think we'll see Casey being used more like he should be.

But with Cozens not playing well, Tage hurt and Jost/Krebs barely deserving the minutes they get......it's no shock that DG has to ride Casey until his tounge is on the ice.
 
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I just don't see it.. I think that contract is going to be an anchor as I don't think being an elite transitioner is going to be worth 8.35 mill a year when they are inadequate on defense and "good" on offense.

I think Power was already an underwhelming #1 overall talent.. if we hadn't signed him to that massive contract I would be more willing to wait and be patient but I think by the time our patience runs out it will be too late and we will be stuck with an ugly contract for duration.

The cap is going up significantly in the next years. It's already slated to go up $4M next year and all reports are that this growth is likely to be constant over the next few years.

$8.35M AAV is going to be the going rate for any sort of top 4 Dman by the time Power's contract is half over.

And I think $8.35m AAV is going to wind up being a pretty solid bargain by the time the deal is done, but that's me. Obviously you don't see it that way.
 
Once Cozens finishes his turnaround (and he's nearly there.....he looked GOOD against Nashville) and once Tage is healthy, I think we'll see Casey being used more like he should be.

But with Cozens not playing well, Tage hurt and Jost/Krebs barely deserving the minutes they get......it's no shock that DG has to ride Casey until his tounge is on the ice.
I’m not shocked that he plays this much. I’m shocked at how terrible the other centers have been leading to it. This started even before Tage got hurt.

But I agree Cozens finding his game and Tage returning should help.
 
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I still think the core on this team and the future prospects are in very good shape. Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, RJ, Joker, and Clifton are fine. UPL is fine as one of your goalies. Thompson, Mitts, and Cozens are fine as your top 3 centers. Tuch, skinner, Peterka, Quinn, Savoie, Benson, Kulich, Rosen are all exciting good forwards as well.


But the lack of talent in the forward core this year, the supporting cast, is a giant issue and needs some love. The defense, as much as I wanted a top 4 guy, hasn’t really been the biggest issue. There’s a talent issue with the forwards.

The roster definitely needs some love and some moves. Not major moves, but definitely some moves. A decent established goalie to pair with UPL. A better 4th center. And better bottom six wingers. I still like KA, and have been fine with his patience approach—it has given us several key critical players. But he needs to make moves over the next 9 months. Failure to do so will push me into the side of the camp seriously questioning his job
 
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Scoring goals isn't the problem -- that's just a symptom of the real problem. He wouldn't be scoring goals on the Sabres the way they're playing right now. More silly talk.
Didn't somebody post about our awful shooting percentage so far this year? Cozens himself flubbed three Grade A chances last game. We have plenty of problems but finishing is absolutely one of them.
 
Didn't somebody post about our awful shooting percentage so far this year? Cozens himself flubbed three Grade A chances last game. We have plenty of problems but finishing is absolutely one of them.
Low danger scoring chances are worth almost nothing. Cozens has mostly not been the problem in that regard, outside of that stretch of games after he was punched.

But the awful shoting percentage is because they only shoot from areas where no one ever scores from.
 
Scoring goals isn't the problem -- that's just a symptom of the real problem. He wouldn't be scoring goals on the Sabres the way they're playing right now. More silly talk.
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I believe it is a yes/and situation and not an either/or situation.

Cozens is a great example of someone who has seen his Shooting % on Unblocked Shots Above Expected nosedive YOY. You see the same thing with the majority of their guys that carried things offensively last season.

And the drop of the Expected Shooting% on Unblocked Shots for guys like Skinner and Thompson especially talks to the drop in shot quality.
 
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Sophomore slump for D men is fine. Power will be fine, not used to the minutes, but will eventually.
He played on average, more minutes last season in his rookie year. He had about 2 shifts per game more than he's had this year. He's played less PP minutes, playing more minutes on the PK.

He's slightly more physical this year, he's Blocked a ton of shots this year compared to last year, he's giving the puck away more this year, than last and is taking away the puck less.

He's not having that much of a Sophomore slump. It's just who he is.
 
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He played on average, more minutes last season in his rookie year. He had about 2 shifts per game more than he's had this year. He's played less PP minutes, playing more minutes on the PK.

He's slightly more physical this year, he's Blocked a ton of shots this year compared to last year, he's giving the puck away more this year, than last and is taking away the puck less.

He's not having that much of a Sophomore slump. It's just who he is.
He does seem to have stalled in his development. He may not be worse, but he sure ain’t getting better.
 
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