Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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It’s good people are talking about it…but nothing that has happened is actually surprising. Saying he can’t see them wanting to let another year slip away…I can’t see them giving a solitary f*** one way or the other. Because I pay attention to their actions.

Quinn went down and they did nothing.

Power has needed a good partner forever and they’ve known that since they won the f***ing lottery

They haven’t cared about goalie the entirety of Adams tenure.

He hasn’t cared about the bottom six either.

Granato can’t fix the 5 on 4 let alone the team at 5 on 5.

What are we supposed to be surprised about? This is who they are. They’ve shown us that repeatedly.

There needs to be an entirely new philosophy from roster building to coaching. These are inexperienced clowns. Don’t act surprised when you are watching a shitty circus.

They made strides at 5-on-4 that have mostly survived the lose of three of their top PK forwards in terms of minutes played. The 5-on-5 defense is certainly a matter of example. I would want to know if Granato is pushing everyone to keep blowing the zone and gliding back on defense since that's what we've seen out of most of last year's top scorers - there are too many instances of a guy like Tuch doing it but Thompson and Skinner certainly have the moments when they just don't give a f*** to be back. Hell, think of the RJohnson turnover that lead to one of the many early goals against in St. Louis - all three forwards blow the zone early and aren't in position even at their own blueline to support the puck so it's a mob scene at the net. We see it over and over again - the players almost to a man have moments when they just take themselves out of the play and it winds up as a failure cascade and into the back of the net. It reminds me a lot of Abysmal's attempted stretch passing from defensemen who just can't emulate Letang to forwards who were not Crosby/Malkin.

If the staff is still pushing for them to push the pace and blow the zone, the players ought to have a meeting and collectively come to the agreement that they need to stop it and get back to some fundamentals. If the staff is trying to get them to play a better set of fundamentals like actually taking better lines to get to their check or how to be in position to defend and guys aren't doing it, then start kicking people in the ass. But someone, somewhere, has to step forward and lead. Waiting is Botterill, waiting is death. Do something.
 
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Last week Merek said everyone and their mother assumed Pesce to Buffalo was a done deal over the offseason but something happened. I'm guessing he nixed the trade himself.

My gut tells me that KA wasn't willing to shell out the extension that Pesce wanted. Whether that's Pesce himself nixing the trade will depend on the next contract he signs.
 
Last week Merek said everyone and their mother assumed Pesce to Buffalo was a done deal over the offseason but something happened. I'm guessing he nixed the trade himself. Which Hanifin, who they mention here, can also do.
Damn, it hurts reading that. Pesce instead of Clifton would have been great.

Hanifin is a UFA next year and cant see Buffalo making a trade with a contract in place.
 
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I wonder what the deal would've been.
I think Hanifin was reported as the equivalent of either "two 2nds" or "a 1st + two 2nds" (I posted about it over the summer a lot but I totally forget the details now), and it was also kind of reported that Pesce was seen as a similar asset, value-wise, so it's something like that. But I kind of think it's in the vicinity of two second round picks.
 
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I think Hanifin was reported as the equivalent of either "two 2nds" or "a 1st + two 2nds" (I posted about it over the summer a lot but I totally forget the details now), and it was also kind of reported that Pesce was seen as a similar asset, value-wise, so it's something like that. But I kind of think it's in the vicinity of two second round picks.

I’d do that. Hell I’d even throw in rescinding my posting privileges to make it happen.
 
My gut tells me that KA wasn't willing to shell out the extension that Pesce wanted. Whether that's Pesce himself nixing the trade will depend on the next contract he signs.
I also remember something about his wife being a medical professional that had a job somewhere in the NC/Tennessee region, and that he wanted to stay around there. Not sure if that really was a factor.

I'm not sure how cap efficient it is, but I would go after Matt Roy as a UFA signing. There's little chance LA tries to keep him, and slotting him next to Power, Joker down to 3rd pair, Clifton to 7th looks really good to me. He should come in cheaper than Pesce and imo he's not far off in on-ice value, with no shoulder issues to worry about.
 
KA might be stuck with the amount of cap dedicated to the D-corps, with Power's deal kicking in. I'm not sure how wise it would be to pursue an upgrade there while the FWs severely need some changes. Krebs, Rosen, and Savoie and a 1st should be the top assets on the block. To me they are very redundant with the average sized skilled FWs they already have.

Lindholm, Sturm, Noesen, and a guy like Watson or Stephenson, Carrier, Sundqvist, Trenin...guys that are either gritty two-way guys are at least are big and can't get pushed around and can take a guy out in the crease.
 
I would not. I feel like you could get much more for Power than just Weegar.
Maybe.. im probably down on Power more than most. I just don't see #1 Overall talent. I don't see him as ever going to be adequate at defense and I don't think his offense is going to be spectacular either
 
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Maybe.. im probably down on Power more than most. I just don't see #1 Overall talent. I don't see him as ever going to be adequate at defense and I don't think his offense is going to be spectacular either
Meh, it's his 2nd NHL season and he is a 1st overall D man. Even if it wasn't too early to comes to these conclusions, some team will pay a hefty price for such a commodity. He hasn't killed his value that much yet.
 
Maybe.. im probably down on Power more than most. I just don't see #1 Overall talent. I don't see him as ever going to be adequate at defense and I don't think his offense is going to be spectacular either
Ok - this is nuts. Weegar is almost 30 with 7 years on his contract with at best 4 of those years likely being a self inflicted wound as he falls off a cliff. Power is 20 and won’t likely hit his full potential for 2-3 years then be good for another 7 - I know we stink but let’s stop with the insanity
 
Ok - this is nuts. Weegar is almost 30 with 7 years on his contract with at best 4 of those years likely being a self inflicted wound as he falls off a cliff. Power is 20 and won’t likely hit his full potential for 2-3 years then be good for another 7 - I know we stink but let’s stop with the insanity
Weegar is a very good 2 way Dman with a nice element of dink in his game. I see him giving us a good 4 to 5 good productive years and will help this team NOW. You obviously have a higher opinion of Power than me. Nothing guarantees Powers success...and nothing insane about my take.

Meh, it's his 2nd NHL season and he is a 1st overall D man. Even if it wasn't too early to comes to these conclusions, some team will pay a hefty price for such a commodity. He hasn't killed his value that much yet.
What would you target if u were to move Power? Doesn't have to be a D
 
Weegar is a very good 2 way Dman with a nice element of dink in his game. I see him giving us a good 4 to 5 good productive years and will help this team NOW. You obviously have a higher opinion of Power than me. Nothing guarantees Powers success...and nothing insane about my take.


What would you target if u were to move Power? Doesn't have to be a D
Honestly I hadn't really thought about it because I feel it is too early to be giving up on Power. In theory I don't disagree with the idea of trading him for a solid 2 way D with some bite to his game. I just feel like Weegar isn't enough. Just not something I have put enough thought into to provide an informed answer.
 
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Weegar is a very good 2 way Dman with a nice element of dink in his game. I see him giving us a good 4 to 5 good productive years and will help this team NOW. You obviously have a higher opinion of Power than me. Nothing guarantees Powers success...and nothing insane about my take.


What would you target if u were to move Power? Doesn't have to be a D
Sorry but powers ceiling is victor Hedman who he is tracking similar to …how soon we forget how long it took Dahlin to be Dahlin. Weegars ceiling is…an older worse weegar. Not a D in the conversation with Hedman. I get that you want a really good player that might be better now - but this would be a franchise crushing move for a franchise that’s already crushed. Sorry but I think even considering this is just madness
 
Sorry but powers ceiling is victor Hedman who he is tracking similar to …how soon we forget how long it took Dahlin to be Dahlin.
While I agree that its going to take Power some time to hit his ceiling......I don't see Hedman in him.

The comp I made before and I'll continue to make is a bit better Jay Bouwmeester. A big guy who always left everyone wanting more out of him physically but was a solid, reliable, positionally sound defenseman. Power already has a better first pass and offensive instincts that JBow had.

It took Dahlin 3-4 years to be as good as he is defensively. Power is in his 2nd. He needs a few more years to hit his defensive best. I do notice a difference in him along the boards this year. He has more moments of being positionally sound. Just need to be patient.
 
Weegar is a very good 2 way Dman with a nice element of dink in his game. I see him giving us a good 4 to 5 good productive years and will help this team NOW. You obviously have a higher opinion of Power than me. Nothing guarantees Powers success...and nothing insane about my take.


What would you target if u were to move Power? Doesn't have to be a D

If I were trading Power, I’d look at a team like Columbus. Jiricek + Voronkov + Dolzhenkov + Makarov for him + 3rd. 3 surly Russians and someone who has Power’s potential.
 
Man Vegas bottom 6 is just so much more effective than ours. Roy, Amadio, Carrier etc….

200 foot players who are reliable and chip in offense

Compare it to what we got going on down there.

Weegar is a very good 2 way Dman with a nice element of dink in his game. I see him giving us a good 4 to 5 good productive years and will help this team NOW. You obviously have a higher opinion of Power than me. Nothing guarantees Powers success...and nothing insane about my take.


What would you target if u were to move Power? Doesn't have to be a D
Nah you are just underrating Power.

That is one of the worst proposals I have seen involving the Sabres and it was done by a Buffalo fan…
 
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